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Can we not prevent mass shootings via tech?

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Nice thread. You're basically saying th at the NSA or whoever should even spy on us more? It's difficult to judge about this, if they observe the potential killers it's fine but in order to find them they need to observe everyone else aswell.
 
Probably already do...NSA program is really really big man. Especially with the USA Freedom act continuing the USA Partiot act...
 
We should just allow cops to come into our houses and manually search it whenever they want. Don't need to even bother with judges and shit.
 
Some expecting some sort of suggestion of gun-disabling devices or security AI, not more of what we're already doing :lol:
 
Mammoth Jones said:
How would confiscation of once legal and now banned firearms work in a nation with more firearms than people? The majority of which aren't registered? With the most common long gun being the one that's banned? You really think a mandatory buy out is even realistic with our constitution?

Like I said the laws will change but it'll take time.
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No one in this thread has suggested taking away all guns and banning them all. Not me nor the person you quoted.

You inferred that and ran with it, including assuming that is my position.

This is kinda what you did yesterday. You gave piecemeal support to gun control and then tried to frame the extremes as a slippery slope that can't be avoided and then implied ultimately because of that you don't support gun control.

In terms of a gun buy back for any proposed changes to the law that may de-legalize some weapons or add requirements to others would in all likelihood have grandfather clauses that just require registration, possible training and no further sale. And that is on the extreme end of what one could reasonably expect gun control to look like in the next 20 years. The reality is likely much less comprehensive. If a person didn't want to comply they would be offered a fair market value like was done in Australia. If you refused to obey people aren't going to be knocking down doors but if a cop is called for some reason they would certainly hold you legally liable for breaking the law.

I mean this is a country that just passed the most ridiculous, compromised, conservative friendly healthcare reform in the western world - by the skin of its teeth - and people are seriously entertaining that possible gun control legislation would succeed in banning all guns? A position pretty much not held by a single legislator and nowhere near a significant percentage of the population in support of. Get fucking real. Not even a second FDR style revolution of liberal politics in American culture would produce that sort of legislation.
 
as far as smart guns you guys know guns are basically a tube, spring and striker/hammer at it's most basic. there would be almost no way to make the smart tech tamper proof enough if someone wanted to disable it.
 
Proelite said:
1. Datamine social media like Facebook and Twitter.

2. Datamine people based on real world actions such as travel, gps location, purchase history, etc.

3. Aggregate data and run algorithms continously to find new person of interests.

4. Devote more resource to these subjects.

The shooter couple yesterday should have triggered some flags with the wife's ISIS pledge and their purchase of tens of tousands of USD worth of weaponry. NSA needs to step it up. Ad companies probably do a better job of profiling and targeting.
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From what I read yesterday, the wife's "ISIS pledge" happened at the time of the shooting so it'd be kind of hard to use it as any sort of trigger. But yes, we should absolutely be tracking ammo purchases. Anything weapon related at all should go into a database -- the NRA won't allow that to happen though.
 
no_seas_mamon said:
as far as smart guns you guys know guns are basically a tube, spring and striker/hammer at it's most basic. there would be almost no way to make the smart tech tamper proof enough if someone wanted to disable it.
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Of course. My advocacy for them in this thread isn't specifically to stop mass shooting (as a mass shooter with a smart gun would be able to use it just fine), but to help curb gun injuries and deaths in general. They would help in particular for accidental shootings (of which there are a ton) and to a lesser extent, violence using stolen guns.
 
Sliver said:
Lol! Let's install microphones and cameras into every human when they're born. Only way to be safe.
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...And have them carry them around with them at all times, and make them want to use them often with programs called "apps" and "games."
 
Meier said:
From what I read yesterday, the wife's "ISIS pledge" happened at the time of the shooting so it'd be kind of hard to use it as any sort of trigger. But yes, we should absolutely be tracking ammo purchases. Anything weapon related at all should go into a database -- the NRA won't allow that to happen though.
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NY adopted ammo tracking laws and had to suspend the implementation of it indefinitely because it was a logistical nightmare. Not because NRA.
 
Jonm1010 said:
No one in this thread has suggested taking away all guns and banning them all. Not me nor the person you quoted.

You inferred that and ran with it, including assuming that is my position.

This is kinda what you did yesterday. You gave piecemeal support to gun control and then tried to frame the extremes as a slippery slope that can't be avoided and then implied ultimately because of that you don't support gun control.

In terms of a gun buy back for any proposed changes to the law that may de-legalize some weapons or add requirements to others would in all likelihood have grandfather clauses that just require registration, possible training and no further sale. And that is on the extreme end of what one could reasonably expect gun control to look like in the next 20 years. The reality is likely much less comprehensive. If a person didn't want to comply they would be offered a fair market value like was done in Australia. If you refused to obey people aren't going to be knocking down doors but if a cop is called for some reason they would certainly hold you legally liable for breaking the law.

I mean this is a country that just passed the most ridiculous, conservative friendly healthcare reform in the western world and people are seriously entertaining that possible gun control legislation would succeed in banning all guns? A position pretty much not held by a single legislator and nowhere near a significant percentage of the population in support of. Get fucking real. Not even a second FDR style revolution of liberal politics in American culture would produce that sort of legislation.
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So you mean exactly what we have in NY and California that did nothing to stop this latest incident? So then what's the next step after that?
 
mkenyon said:
Yeah, that's really expensive and prohibitive. From a Socialist's perspective, that sounds like essentially restricting gun sales to most workers. From a Libertarian's perspective, that sounds like trampling on the 2nd Amendment by prohibiting private sales.
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"Private" sales are how criminals get guns from "law abiding citizens". They are entirely the problem. I'm not even advocating the elimination of private sales, only a) there should be a mountain of paperwork, not unlike buying a house or car and b) if smart guns become the future (and they damn well should), a legal and documented transfer of the user ID system.

Don't you think it's ridiculous that we can monitor every time someone misses a credit card payment, but not every time they buy a gun or ammo?
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
"Private" sales are how criminals get guns from "law abiding citizens". They are entirely the problem. I'm not even advocating the elimination of private sales, only a) there should be a mountain of paperwork, not unlike buying a house or car and b) if smart guns become the future (and they damn well should), a legal and documented transfer of the user ID system.

Don't you think it's ridiculous that we can monitor every time someone misses a credit card payment, but not every time they buy a gun or ammo?
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If the system were implemented in good faith then I agree with this 100%. Background check system needs to be modernized.
 
how would it curb accidental shootings by the id tagged owner of the gun if he was and idiot and not following gun safety rules?

how would it stop criminals from using stolen guns? anyone with basic mechanical knowledge would be able to disable this with basic tools. and if they couldn't figure it out I am sure there would be a youtube video up anyway.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
So you mean exactly what we have in NY and California that did nothing to stop this latest incident? So then what's the next step after that?
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That isnt what is in NY and California and like was the problem in Paris and was corroborated in a piece I linked to in the terrorist thread, open borders make it hard to maximize the effectiveness of gun control within a state with open borders.

If you want to talk about the overall effectiveness of gun control legislation from state to state you can certainly feel free to visit and bump the gun control thread where the arguments were gone over a lot. I won't derail this thread even further going off on a side topic on state to state gun control effectiveness.

But it is worth pointing out that failure to be 100% effective does not mean nothing is the better alternative.
 
Thought from the title that OP was demanding the research and development of cheap, portable Dune-style kinetic shields. What a letdown. Well, at least you have a pretty good chance of seeing your dream fulfilled in the next decade.
 
[But it is worth pointing out that failure to be 100% effective does not mean nothing is the better alternative./QUOTE]

The point being some on anti gun control side ask is say they give in and you get your wishes with assorted laws etc.
It doesn't work. What now keep throwing darts til something does all the while the prohibitions that did not work are still on the books. It would be one thing if they were lifted after being shown not to work and try something else, but they are not.
So I can see the apprehension on passing new laws unless you are damn well sure they will do something not just well we can't do nothing so let's do anything
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no_seas_mamon said:
how would it curb accidental shootings by the id tagged owner of the gun if he was and idiot and not following gun safety rules?

how would it stop criminals from using stolen guns? anyone with basic mechanical knowledge would be able to disable this with basic tools. and if they couldn't figure it out I am sure there would be a youtube video up anyway.
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It's a lot harder to shoot someone by accident with a locked gun. If you're an idiot, walking around with the wrist band/fob all the time and your hand on the trigger, then you would be obviously charged with criminal negligence if you "accidentally" shot someone. The kind of accidents it is most likely to prevent is "kid wanders into parent's room, finds gun, shoots self/sibling", which are obviously more common among negligent gun owners.

The second point would be up to the gun manufacturer to figure out. They are already on sale in parts of the country.
 
so a negligent gun owner would stop being negligent? he or she would probably leave the unlock fob or whatever next to the gun so they "wouldn't lose it" like post it notes and passwords.

can you point me which parts of the country these current smart guns are on sale? and why would manufacturer's elect to put this on willingly when reliabilty is still an issue not when they could go with designs that have been in use and proven reliable for close to a hundred years.

I think we won't get smart guns til police officers who rely on their duty pistol to work 100% percent of the time not 98% start carrying them.
 
Proelite said:
Working at a big data company that profiles people based on trip info generated via gps info from cellphone firmware and gps units embedded in cars, privacy is dead.
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True, but using it for law enforcement and probability calculations if someone will commit a crime or not is a step further again. It is also directly linked to your person then and identifiable. At least with most ad companies and profile companies like you say, you don't have a name attached to it, but the person is just a number. Or at least I hope so, depending on the use and whether the user has given approval or not.

Mammoth Jones said:
Because you're not going to take gun rights away and turn half the nation into criminals.
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OK, at least limit gun rights then and phase it out. It is not as black and white as "today it's legal, tomorrow you'll end up in jail."
 
Proelite said:
1. Datamine social media like Facebook and Twitter.

2. Datamine people based on real world actions such as travel, gps location, purchase history, etc.

3. Aggregate data and run algorithms continously to find new person of interests.

4. Devote more resource to these subjects.

The shooter couple yesterday should have triggered some flags with the wife's ISIS pledge and their purchase of tens of tousands of USD worth of weaponry. NSA needs to step it up. Ad companies probably do a better job of profiling and targeting.
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You're not going far enough. Data chips implanted in every single one of us that constantly records everything we do. And if they're about to do something evil, then the datachip just kills them. The good thing is that we can trust the government to be fair and not abuse this power as well.
 
ClosingADoor said:
OK, at least limit gun rights then and phase it out. It is not as black and white as "today it's legal, tomorrow you'll end up in jail."
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More limitations aren't always a bad thing. Depends on the details.

Only way to phase it out is to remove most of the reasons why people own firearms and eventually they become a vestigial remnant of a time gone by.

Right now? I wouldn't give mine up. Criminals running wild and cops executing brothas in the street like it ain't shit. Not going Tulsa on me and mine without a fight. Fuck that noise. Sorry.

LegendofDragoonLives said:
You're not going far enough. Data chips implanted in every single one of us that constantly records everything we do. And if they're about to do something evil, then the datachip just kills them. The good thing is that we can trust the government to be fair and not abuse this power as well.
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"The government is your friend and only wants what's best for you" -The Government
 
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collige said:
There's no restrictions at all on private sales. The gun is linked to the watch. IF you want the sell the gun, there's no reason to keep the watch. Whoever has the watch is the one that can use the gun.

I don't know how much the tech in question costs, but do you really want to be arguing against safety features on a potentially lethal device based on economics? Do you have a problem with the costs car manufactuers have to pay when they add seatbelts and airbags to their cars?
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Don't you think it's ridiculous that we can monitor every time someone misses a credit card payment, but not every time they buy a gun or ammo?
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Cars and credit are not Constitutionally protected rights.
 
NSA has been invading people's privacy over and over again over the years. Want to know how effective it was in preventing anything? Spoiler : it wasn't
 
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