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[Osiris397]

The thing that's frustrating is that it's not like Sony doesn't have the tech to easily manage games offloaded and partially reloaded/installed for people to play conveniently without having to wait hours, that was part of the GaiKai acquisition that hasn't been netting them much as Playstation Now.

If GaiKai could have someone buying Warcraft online and playing in 5 to 10 minutes from purchase while downloading the/installing the rest of the game from the internet in the background don't tell me they couldn't easily implement that with local storage on a PS4.

 

[CrispyBoar]

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but when I used to buy games on a disc, the game was actually on the disc and didn't need to install shit anywhere.

It's because of the Blu-Ray drives that are inside of the PS4 & inside of the Xbox One that aren't fast enough to run the data from the game discs, as they're both 6x. That causes a bandwidth bottleneck, which is why they store everything to the HDD to speed up streaming/loading times.

Either a 12x or a 16x drive would've been fast enough to do so.

I get that, but it's not rational.

Disc drives are way too slow for the functions of modern games.

I have no idea why people are obsessed with spinning disks. Optical media is horrible.

If you have a disk, you have reselling, lending and collecting rights. That's pretty nice.

Which is why I'm glad that Nintendo are using carts for the Switch.

 

[trixx]

This is the same situation as when I bought a disc game for xbox one s and I didn't understand what the hell was going on. I now know why but it's still stupid af imo. Thankfully got a 1 terabyte edition

The benefit is that you can resell the game. Bring over to friends, but you still gotta install that shit first.

I hope nintendo's cartridges for switch isn't like this

 

[CrispyBoar]

I hope nintendo's cartridges for switch isn't like this

I don't think you'll have to worry about that. Cartridges/Cards are nothing like optical media in terms of loading times, etc. & offer a lot of advantages over optical media (being discs like Blu-Ray). The loading times for those are minimal, if there are any.

If you have something like a Nintendo 3DS like I have, you'll see what I am talking about.

 

[matrix-cat]

People are being willfully ignorant about the Playstation hard drive upgrade procedure. "You can upgrade your hard drive, it's easy". Give me a break. Sure it's easy to complete the physical task of changing the hard drive, but that's only one step of an hours-long process of either backing up and reinstalling your original data, or starting over from scratch and reinstalling/redownloading everything. As opposed to the external drive method, where you plug in a drive and you're done.

 

[ddikxela]

Slightly off topic but you can backup your ps4 digital games and patches onto your pc/home server and transfer to your console at home network speed. - proxy server tactics.


Works great especially if you have more than 1 ps4 in the household.

 

[Kilau]

Slightly off topic but you can backup your ps4 digital games and patches onto your pc/home server and transfer to your console at home network speed. - proxy server tactics.


Works great especially if you have more than 1 ps4 in the household.

What? How?

 

[Psychoward]

The benefit of having a disc is to let you reinstall and delete games in a much more flippant manner than having to download it again. I just wish you could choose to delete just the main install and not DLC or patches.

Yup to all of this.

I was willing to go all digital this gen but with psn prices still being much more expensive than retail and steam and my ps4 having a 500gb limit means I went from going towards all digital to being almost completely disc based again. Ugh, maybe next time.

 

[Lynd7]

I haven't had to delete things off my PS4 yet, the save files aren't tied to the data somehow right? Can you leave the saves on the system at least?

 

[trixx]

I agree, if discs are effectively just download keys at this point since you're not actually running the game off of them, might as well just make the extra step for convenience and make it not required to play the game.

If only there was some way to keep the benefits of physical discs (shopping around for better prices at multiple retail outlets, much quicker reinstalls, being able to trade them in) but merge them with the benefits of downloaded games (not requiring the disc to play, having them tied to an account that can support cross-buy, being able to login on any system and redownload your games even if you lose the disc, etc.)

That might be pretty cool. It certainly won't be for everybody, of course, but it seems like there would be a decent sized market for this, and that seems to be where PC/mobile software purchases are going also. I guess you would have to have some sort of internet-based (instead of plastic disc based) DRM to support all this and keep it from being abused, but most people keep their consoles connected to the internet nowadays, so it shouldn't be that big of a big deal, right?

Spoiler

(c) Microsoft, when creating the Xbox One, lol

see prior to actually owning the console and not knowing disc based games worked like this I thought it was a dumb idea. But now that I've come to understand this; it actually doesn't seem too bad of an idea. Still the shitty part is being constantly connected, which is still the only way to ensure it's not being abused. So ehhh, i mean it would be cool as an option

Because honestly as it stands, I'd rather just own the game digitally, I rarely sell my games anyways and the benefits are really good now. Whereas with Nintendo I'll probably stick to physical, cartridge was definitely right choice, cause barely any benefits to buying Nintendo games digitally imo, save for digital promotion they had.

The crazy thing is that the wii u only came with 32 giga bytes. But that would last me longer than a 500gb xbox one due to the fact I'd have to install all disk games.

 

[ddikxela]

What? How?

3rd party free software. Its called psx download helper.

Short version:

you use your browser to d/l the game packages/patches onto your pc via the url that shows on software logs.

you set up rules on the software so that when a ps4 requests that certain game/s it will point to the location on your pc/home server(or even an external hard drive connected to your pc).

Log into psn on your ps4 and go to purchased games and redownload the game you want.

the software will redurect the request and start transferring from your pc/server.

You cant transfer a different title to the one in your purchased list due to integrity checks.


I probably made it sound harder than it is.

 

[Seloth]

I think he's arguing that there's no point in having a Disc if it's just going to serve as a physical CD key if the install sizes are the exactly the same as digital.

Well buy digital then.

Most physical owners I know want the box to look at and don't want to download anything.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

Link to this patch?

Edit - Firmware 3.50

Problem is, no 4TB hard drive exists that actually fits inside the system. This could obviously be solved with, you guessed it, external HDD support!

Actually Orbital, this HDD fits but it's very cost prohibitive for some.

 

[jroc74]

I don't think anyone is saying it's difficult. It's just annoying that you pretty much have to upgrade it first thing or you'll be doing a lot of transferring to USB storage that you can't play off of for some reason instead of just adding storage whenever you need it.

Yup.

First thing I did was get a 2TB hard drive for my PS4. At the time I just got a new PS3 and did a system transfer. I got a 500GB drive instead of a bigger one. I ran out of space on my PS3 so I knew I was gonna be in trouble on the PS4.

 

[Gaspard]

Actually Orbital, this HDD fits but it's very cost prohibitive for some.

Do I need a kidney or twice my current hard drive space hmmmmm

 

[wolfhunter777]

Need some external harddrive support

 

[Hasney]

Nah, it's pretty beefy though. I meant that I have about 340/400 GB used on my system storage right now. I think the file size is about 70 GB or something?

Can you imagine the Bloodborne load times at launch if it was streamed off a slow blu ray disc? Oof.

 

[Justinh]

I haven't had to delete things off my PS4 yet, the save files aren't tied to the data somehow right? Can you leave the saves on the system at least?

This is a late reply, but I think that's true. I accidentally deleted Adventure Capitalist when I just wanted to close the application once (I dunno why, I just always have the urge to go down to delete at first for some reason. I reinstalled the app and my saves were still there. I let my PS+ expire over the summer so I don't think it was uploaded to cloud storage or anything.

I'd probably first see if you could backup the saves to a usb device first just to be sure if you ever do need to free up space. I'm pretty sure that's an option.

Edit: sorry for the non-interesting bump. I don't know how I got here, lol...

 

[potatohead]

Get a 2 to drive ye scrubs and put the 500 gb or 1 tb in a ps3

 

[StrongBlackVine]

People are being willfully ignorant about the Playstation hard drive upgrade procedure. "You can upgrade your hard drive, it's easy". Give me a break. Sure it's easy to complete the physical task of changing the hard drive, but that's only one step of an hours-long process of either backing up and reinstalling your original data, or starting over from scratch and reinstalling/redownloading everything. As opposed to the external drive method, where you plug in a drive and you're done.

If people want more storage bad enough they suck it up and swap the drive. Small inconvenience if it mattees that much.

 

[Gai Murakumo]

Even with a 1 TB console HDD I still keep on almost running out of space all the time. I am really looking into getting a good SSD to go with it so I do not have to delete anything too often.