A lot of reviewers did after the fact revealed they did not know much about the genre, It was one thing on I think screw attack where these dudes were bitching because people said the combat was more intuitive in 3 and 4 and accused those who said of hating anything perceived as easier.
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A lot of reviewers did after the fact revealed they did not know much about the genre, It was one thing on I think screw attack where these dudes were bitching because people said the combat was more intuitive in 3 and 4 and accused those who said of hating anything perceived as easier.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
really metroid? the series that had like 4 releases last gen? the one in which the last game came out in 2010? its all of a sudden dead and forgotten?
starfox while not having a new title for a while, had a full on remake in 2010 that sold well enough
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I have only seen your name in a few threads and you already irritate the shit out of me. Welcome to my ignore corner.
I'm sorry, but DmC was a colossal piece of shit. Ninja Theory is terrible developer for making action games. CAPCOM does deserve the backlash (i.e. consumers voting with their wallets) because it will prevent them from doing this shit in the future.
Good god man not everyone cares about aesthetics for a fighting game, nobody gives a shit how the game looks or that it is some crossover as if it will magically make it a great game, the same goes back to action games and the DMC series where the worth of the game is more under the hood and takes time to judge. For the same reason as action games, journalists have no fucking clue the worth of a fighting game because they make their judgment after playing the game for a week, and for genres like fighters you need more than a week to tell how good it is. The fighting game community who have spent a hell of a lot more time have ripped into SFxT for incredibly justifiable reasons and not just because "oh Capcom disk locked the DLC!".
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Remember that this is the company that owns the rights to so many IP that most other publishers would be jealous.
Street Fighter
Mega Man
Resident Evil
Strider
Breath of Fire
Ghost'n Goblins
Devil May Cry
Demons Crest
Darkstalkers
Monster Hunter
Dragons Dogma
Dino Crisis
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Onimusha
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Phoenix Wright
Maximo
Tech Romancer
Marvel VS. Capcom
Marvel VS. SNK
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
Power Stone
1943
Final Fight
Commando
Bionic Commando
Steel Battalion
How do you have this many solid IP's and royally screw up this bad?
Street Fighter
Mega Man
Resident Evil
Strider
Breath of Fire
Ghost'n Goblins
Devil May Cry
Demons Crest
Darkstalkers
Monster Hunter
Dragons Dogma
Dino Crisis
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Onimusha
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Phoenix Wright
Maximo
Tech Romancer
Marvel VS. Capcom
Marvel VS. SNK
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
Power Stone
1943
Final Fight
Commando
Bionic Commando
Steel Battalion
How do you have this many solid IP's and royally screw up this bad?
dancingphlower
Member
But it has a metacritic score of 84, so that means it's a good game, according to your logic.
Outsourcing their IP's to developer's that aren't very good. OR in RE6's case, fragmenting the development to a huge number of teams, which creates a very uneven game.
PS. I almost feel like CAPCOM is not a developer anymore and more of an IP holder. They have all these IPs and want to make money off them without putting in the grunt work. Unfortunately, this plan is not paying off.
Hit the nail in the head. lol
do you see me making topics on neogaf about how DMC4 is so terrible i hope Capcom lost tons of money and goes under?
if people in this topic were like "Yeah dMc wasnt that great but atleast they tried something, i just wish it was more like the old games" or something reasonable like that, i wouldnt even be posting here
The questionable inclusion of six out of 29 examples somehow invalidates his statement?
Who made that topic about DmC on GAF?
Capcom is laaaaaazy.
At this point, I only see them working on Monster Hunter and Remakes/HD edition/Remaster/etc.
no
just saying those i bolded dont belong on a list of IP's any publisher would be jealous of, i mean honestly
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Just because they haven't done anything with those IP's doesn't mean they don't have any importance.
metalslimer
Member
People do realize that by the time MH4 is out the 3DS will have blown past the ps3 and vita userbase combined in japan. This ps3/vita monster hunter nonsense is fanboy wishing at its worst. At least the DQ9 PSP port begging made a little sense.
Capcom is far and away one of my favorite devs and has been for years.
Grew up playing Street Fighter, final fight, AvP in arcades, Marvel vs series, Alpha SF, Mega Man, ect.
I love Monster Hunter, and still play SF to this day. Dragons Dogma was amazing.
As a gamer, for the most part they "get" me and make games I love. I really hope they find success, I think videogamedom would be worse off without them.
edit: the outsourcing needs to either stop or be handed off to known/proven teams.
Grew up playing Street Fighter, final fight, AvP in arcades, Marvel vs series, Alpha SF, Mega Man, ect.
I love Monster Hunter, and still play SF to this day. Dragons Dogma was amazing.
As a gamer, for the most part they "get" me and make games I love. I really hope they find success, I think videogamedom would be worse off without them.
edit: the outsourcing needs to either stop or be handed off to known/proven teams.
Devilgunman
Member
Original teams that made most of those franchise had already gone somewhere.
But 84 on Metacritic = Premium bullshit?
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/devil-may-cry-4
Come back when you have more to post than dumb, hypocritical arguments.
lol, you chose to single out Ghosts n' Goblins but that series has to this day sold 4.4 million units and beats the snot out of most of the series on that list you chose to ignore.
Capcom was one of mine as well. Pretty much unmatched. But a lot has changed these past few years. Capcom's not the company it once was, and mismanagement is slowly strangling the life out of the few remaining talented development teams it has.
See, I don't get where this whole 'either / or' thing comes from. Put it on all 3 platforms and make more money. I don't buy that MH is some unique flower where splitting the player base across formats is some cardinal sin.
Please don't take this as a port beg because I can't stand the Monster Hunter games. Tried 'em on PSP and Wii and I'd rather hammer nails through my cock than play another.
metalslimer
Member
Because its a local portable multiplayer franchise. The whole appeal comes from playing with people and psv and 3ds cannot do this. Then you have a split base of people playing essentially different games. And for what? 500k sales on Vita that would probably go to 3ds anyway? PS3? Sure go for it
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
But...what?
metalslimer
Member
Vita and 3DS owners cannot play together. And people can try and excuse it by saying obviously Nintendo moneyhatted the series when Sony blocked MHP3rd HD's NA release.
Again, I don't understand why Monster Hunter is different to any other game in this respect.
So what?
PS3 and 360 players can't play together. Better make the next Street Fighter an exclusive.
metalslimer
Member
Like what other game? What huge local portable multiplayer series is multiplatform?
How is that in any way similar? SF is not a portable game you go out on the train and play. There is a reason God Eater, Toukiden, and every other MH type game isnt on 3DS. The series got to 5 million through local multi and Capcom wont damage that. You can disagree but obviously Capcom agrees
why does it need crossplay with a different system? who would expect cross play between a nintendo portable and a sony one?
MHFU on PSP was the most popular online game on PSP
Why does it matter?
If two-four people want to play together on 3DS, they can. If they wanted to play together on PS3 instead, they could. Same for Vita. Hell, the two Sony platforms could play with each other. If your friends own a different version then it's on you to play with others or buy more hardware, just as with every other game ever.
How does it make sense to limit yourself to one platform because your game is multiplayer? What other games adhere to this ridiculous and arbitrary distinction?
It's a game that is played primarily in multiplayer.
Capcom doesn't agree with anything other than the highest bidder.
metalslimer
Member
And yet MH games continue to go to other platforms so the idea that Nintendo bough exclusivity is just a convenient excuse as to why Capcom ignores Vita similar to the crazy Wii U conspiracy theories. Unless you believe that just because a game misses Vita it was moneyhatted.Also if you don't buy that idea there are a 1000 other reasons no one is touching Vita.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Probably because of the time investment.
False equivalency. Street Fighter isn't defined by persistent loot and unlocks. It's entirely skill based. Playing on PS3 is the same as playing on 360 and PC.(outside of performance issues.) You just port your controller. There's no barrier keeping people from playing each other on either system
Monster Hunter on the other hand what you have to show for your 100s of hours is a save with your armors, weapons and hunter rank. Even if I meet someone offline who plays the game, if they aren't on the same platform as me we can't play together. Period.
Well they're finally making MH4 portable with online on 3DS. Finally the game achieves its perfect form.
Buying a 3DS just for that.(Well that and Dragon's Crown being a dud finally pushed my indecision over in that direction.)
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Sorry but its biggest release in 2013 will be this
Though even with as much as it sells, thats still not enough to keep a company running.
Fornaximus
Member
I don't have much sympathy for them. They screw around with all sorts of disc-locked content and shitty DLC. Also, MvC3 never came out on PC, despite SF4 and SFxT having Steam releases. #butthurt
That is why they will port it to every single console existent eventually... Or add a few monsters and sell it again to the same user base.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/09/21/why-monster-hunter-4-is-not-multi-platform
well, that's their official stance.
Not wanting to split the install base is a silly reason but it's not totally unbelievable. People don't lug around two portable systems, and a big part of MH's appeal in japan was that you could find people for multiplayer anywhere anytime. Betting on the portable that has pokemon seems like a sure recipe for success.
However as far as I'm concerned they simply want to remain as conservative as possible with development costs. That's a nice way of saying they picked the 3DS because they could just re-use old assets instead of actually spending money to put it on HD systems. Which is also stupid considering the series is practically their lifeline at this point, and being so cheap with it while they blow money on expensive outsourced nuclear bombas makes no sense.
has there ever been any proof of this whatsoever outside of speculation regarding the horrible way Portable 3rd was handled?
Frontier for example seems to follow no logic whatsoever in its console releases but it's not like Capcom isn't in control of that. I suppose it is totally different from the 'real' MH games though so it could be exempt from whatever theoretical agreement they have.
well, that's their official stance.
Not wanting to split the install base is a silly reason but it's not totally unbelievable. People don't lug around two portable systems, and a big part of MH's appeal in japan was that you could find people for multiplayer anywhere anytime. Betting on the portable that has pokemon seems like a sure recipe for success.
However as far as I'm concerned they simply want to remain as conservative as possible with development costs. That's a nice way of saying they picked the 3DS because they could just re-use old assets instead of actually spending money to put it on HD systems. Which is also stupid considering the series is practically their lifeline at this point, and being so cheap with it while they blow money on expensive outsourced nuclear bombas makes no sense.
has there ever been any proof of this whatsoever outside of speculation regarding the horrible way Portable 3rd was handled?
Frontier for example seems to follow no logic whatsoever in its console releases but it's not like Capcom isn't in control of that. I suppose it is totally different from the 'real' MH games though so it could be exempt from whatever theoretical agreement they have.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Then why dont we all go out and buy the next couple Capcom games instead of sitting hearing about their losses?
To me: we would end up losing a company that had amazing IPs for other terrible games.
To me: we would end up losing a company that had amazing IPs for other terrible games.
There's just no way for me to discuss this without there being an assumption that I'm a bitter Vita fanboy desperate to play MH, is there?
Have you not read any of my posts where I caution people not to expect any more 'major' retail Vita titles? As in, any, from anyone?
Fair enough. MH multiplayer only works if the game is exclusive. I won't pretend to understand why, but I don't need to.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I think they'll just charge for DLC.
If they haven't ported MH3 to other platforms(besides the up-ports to the new Nintendo ones) I don't think they'll port any of them.
Just spinoffs like Frontier I guess. I think they like to keep the number'd titles to one platform.(what they deem the most popular platform in Japan at the time)
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TrueMenace
Unconfirmed Member
LOL...you think Dead Rising 3 is an exclusive to Xbox? It's guaranteed a TIMED EXCLUSIVE in addition to TITANFALL.
(The only reason Capcom prolly made the deal with M$ for timed exclusivity is that their sale #'s are indeed shit and this is prolly the most backstabbey thing they can do for their core audience is to make a game timed exclusive just to rake in some more cash)
Why...because M$ pays lots of $ and Capcom and EA are THIRD PARTY PUBLISHERS/devs.
Storm Chamber
Banned
At least a new version with new monsters releasing at the same time on the 3DS and Wii U, then. One thing is for sure, there wont be only a single version of MH4 and we know it.