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Captain America: Civil War |OT| Finding Zemo
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beyond_death
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yea I love watching interviews with these guys, especially ones with Evans. Dude is surprisingly funny.
WaterAstro
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Thank you for the impressions. Keep them coming!
You mean 1 day, rite? At least it's 1 day to go for me.
May 5th for a lot of places ;_;
AquaWateria
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Oh yeah I forgot there's going to be an interview with Chadwick Boseman on Jimmy Kimmel Thursday night. It's been long overdue since he hasn't been in much live promo.
Although I doubt they will show any Black Panther footage.
Although I doubt they will show any Black Panther footage.
It's probably one of the best superhero movies, and the best MCU film.
+ Spidey were damn funny.
+ Ant-Man in everything he is in.
+ Loved Chadwick's accent and movement.
+ Really liked Helmet Zemo and his plot.
+ Scarlet Witch remains my favorite!
+ Aunt May.
+ So much more.
- Fighting seemed a bit too light-weight or something felt a little off in the first 20 minutes.
+ Spidey were damn funny.
+ Ant-Man in everything he is in.
+ Loved Chadwick's accent and movement.
+ Really liked Helmet Zemo and his plot.
+ Scarlet Witch remains my favorite!
+ Aunt May.
+ So much more.
- Fighting seemed a bit too light-weight or something felt a little off in the first 20 minutes.
Also just want to get it out there..
Zemo >>>>> Lex Luthor
Thanks man! Been meaning to get acquainted with Black Panther ever since his inclusion in this movie.
Zemo >>>>> Lex Luthor
Sounds perfect.
And do yourself a favor, and get this:
The Christopher Priest Black Panther run is so awesome.
Thanks man! Been meaning to get acquainted with Black Panther ever since his inclusion in this movie.
Ordered this too, read the first couple issues digitally when BP was announced for MCu
ATOMICJORGE
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This movie it's going to be huge I can feel it, the launch date in Mexico is April 29th this Friday but I'm going to see it on Sunday May 1st because I hate the movie theaters are full
I finally saw it last night. It was good. Not amazing as some of the reviews thing but pretty good. Probably the best MCU film (hard to compare it to Guardians as it's very different).
Spidey was excellent, can't wait for his movie. Black Panther was good but he wasn't given that much to do so I don't know what the fuss is all about.
The best thing was probably how it all felt like a comic book. I know how people say this about every comic movie but the fights in this movie really felt like they were in a comic book. You have various characters going in and out of the movie, flashy attacks and some nice banter (they didn't overdo it as I feared).
The rest of my thoughts are in the spoiler thread.
Spidey was excellent, can't wait for his movie. Black Panther was good but he wasn't given that much to do so I don't know what the fuss is all about.
The best thing was probably how it all felt like a comic book. I know how people say this about every comic movie but the fights in this movie really felt like they were in a comic book. You have various characters going in and out of the movie, flashy attacks and some nice banter (they didn't overdo it as I feared).
The rest of my thoughts are in the spoiler thread.
Citizen_Insane
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Kimmel is trash. Should have done anyone else. Still gonna watch for Chadwick tho
Discotheque
Banned
Disney owns ABC so Kimmel gets all the hookups on the marvel films.
Also Batman V Superman (and likely Justice League) because of his bff Ben Affleck.
Not reading this, but is the second scene worth waiting for, or should I just wait for a YouTube clip?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Seeing it at roughly this time tomorrow.
I'm preparing my negative review in advance.
#SupportDCFilms
I'm preparing my negative review in advance.
#SupportDCFilms
Wait for it. It's a cute scene.
Grassclipper
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5.5 hours to go, get hyped!
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Just saw it. It was good. 4/5
Loads of stuff for the second viewing. There's some truly epic moments. I really like how they made the characters so humane. While BvS tried to make their characters somekind of übermensch, CA:CW made the characters faulty. I can dig that and I guess many people can relate to that.
Loads of stuff for the second viewing. There's some truly epic moments. I really like how they made the characters so humane. While BvS tried to make their characters somekind of übermensch, CA:CW made the characters faulty. I can dig that and I guess many people can relate to that.
beyond_death
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Less than 3 hours before I leave for the midnight screening. Whoo!
Since you gave it only 4 out of 5, what didn't you like and how is compared to Winter Soldier?
Only 8 hours left before I'm seeing it.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Only 4/5? What the hell? I think that's a great score for a blockbuster summer movie.
I didn't like Winter Soldier that much. A decent 3/5 movie, first one was quite bore (2/5). Civil War is how they should've made The Avengers movies. CW is fun, nice looking and has great action. It's entertaining.
Pop
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Some panel, I'm trying not to dig too deep for fear of spoilers.
The chemistry is amazing between these people. Probably the biggest component of why the MCU has been such a huge success. 2nd being talent.....
Rudd is just so fucking awesome.
BossDarkseid
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Sounds perfect.
And do yourself a favor, and get this:
The Christopher Priest Black Panther run is so awesome.
+1 to this. reading first voulme and it's awesome, even if mentally i'm used to BP looking more like Hickman's T'challa etc.
Also are there video links to any of these press events?
Only 4/5? What the hell? I think that's a great score for a blockbuster summer movie.
Well to me the rating differs from genre to genre and tone of the movie as you have different expectations. A 5/5 (or whatever scale you choose) would be a great entertaining movie with no real flaws or minor flaws that you don't care about because you had lots of fun watching it (i.e. GotG for me).
It's by no means a perfect movie since there are no such things, that's more subjective.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Seen it, it's really great!
Granted it's no Winter Soldier, as this is a bit less focused. With that said holy shit this is a better Avengers movie than any of the Avengers movie! No shaky cams or CGI fights, just brutal fight scenes that are easy to the eyes. Character moments. Comedy that has no quipping.
HOLY FUCK NO QUIPPING IN AN AVENGERS-ESQUE MOVIE. Now I seriously can't wait to see the directors do their stuff in an actual Avengers film. They're doing Infinity War right?
Granted it's no Winter Soldier, as this is a bit less focused. With that said holy shit this is a better Avengers movie than any of the Avengers movie! No shaky cams or CGI fights, just brutal fight scenes that are easy to the eyes. Character moments. Comedy that has no quipping.
HOLY FUCK NO QUIPPING IN AN AVENGERS-ESQUE MOVIE. Now I seriously can't wait to see the directors do their stuff in an actual Avengers film. They're doing Infinity War right?
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Sure are.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
CW is fun and entertaining movie. GotG is 4/5 to me as well. Take it as you want. I think CW is one of the best MCU movies though. My favorite is Deadpool.
CW was a bit too long, there were some plot annoyances and at times the CGI was laughable
(that last fight between Cap, Tony and Bucky. They moved so fast it just looked silly)
Diprosalic
Banned
worst part, quipping is best.
SolidChamp
Banned
Alright folks, just got back from seeing it, so here's my COMPLETELY SPOILER FREE review:
For context, my expectations of the comic book (or superhero, if you will) genre have become somewhat high over the last ten years or so. I'd say it was films like X2, Spider-man 2, and Batman Begins that really set a standard for the elements I'm most interested in seeing. For me, a core emotional element that ties my investment to the character and speaks to the human condition is crucial; that's what I most identify with. There aren't a lot of films in the genre that have done that and, for me, there haven't been any films in the MCU that have managed to achieve that.
The problem I seem to be having which is inherent in the MCU is the fact that the filmmakers seem to be more preoccupied with making the films and their stories fit together and interlock in such a way that creates a more broad and sweeping set of themes and subtexts, rather than honing in on a central, emotional idea. In the end, I just don't care for these characters as much as I do, say, Bruce Wayne's journey to discover who he will become in Batman Begins, or Peter Parker's struggle with accepting the responsibility that comes with his power and making personal sacrifices as a result in Spider-man 2. X-Men First Class and Days of Future Past, especially, created strong, core themes with scenes of raw emotional intensity, such as Magneto's tapping into a serene memory of his mother in order to realize the full potential of his power have had a far more memorable and lasting impact on me than anything I've seen in the MCU.
Enter Captain America: Civil War, which is by far the closest this universe has come to creating a "personal" and truly emotionally invested narrative which stays the course to the very end. Where The Winter Soldier failed to capitalize on Cap's emotional investment in the stakes by the time the third act comes to a close, Civil War succeeds on every conceivable level that a Marvel movie could, without feeling overly contrived and gimmicky. This is the first great film in the MCU.
There's a deft and confident direction here that's only been seen in one other Marvel movie, Guardians of the Galaxy. The film plays host to a number of interweaving threads and themes, but at the very center is the notion of escalation and "causality", as The Vision puts it. This movie gleefully spits in the face of the recent WB Superman efforts, taking time out to offer up a deep examination of the consequences of all of the relentless, mind-numbing, large-scale action set-pieces of the previous films (which I've come to despise). FINALLY a movie in the MCU comes along to acknowledge "Yeah, we constantly blow shit up while we fight the villain of the week...maybe there's some unseen consequences to that which we should probably consider." The Russo's exercise a steady and restrained (by MCU standards) hand in layering in the stakes and ideals that each of the characters face; some more than others. Surprisingly enough, the focus never feels like it strays too far from Steve Rogers himself; make no mistake, this still manages to feel like a Captain America film.
This is all paid off in spades with a final act that runs endless victory laps around the finale of every other Marvel film; it's tight, intimate, focused, and done on the smallest scale possible. There's a strong emphasis on solid action choreography that is well shot and paced. The Russo's step up their game in the hand-to-hand combat department, which is handled exceptionally well with credit owed to 2nd Unit and John Wick directors Chad Stahelski and David Leitch. These films need more practical, street-level fight sequences, and Civil War finally delivers the goods. The exhausting, world-ending, CG filled climaxes of past films are finally shelved in favor of an action scene that sees the stakes raised by emotions, and not just plot. The climax ends with poignancy rather than massive explosions and towering structures which come crashing down.
Unfortunately there are a few missteps which hold it back a bit, for me, though that might be a result of my own confusion. I was sure the film had retconned something in the MCU which was apparently known to Captain America, but it felt like a mild contrivance for the sake of getting emotions to run high at the end. I don't ever remember this being mentioned before in any Marvel film, so correct me if I've just managed to forget. This is easily forgiven because the climax is so damn satisfying; easily the best scenes in the film come at the end (which is how it SHOULD BE, but rarely ever is with the MCU). There's also a few moments where certain plot elements get muddled because the villain has set several events into motion, and yet his motivations are kept secret for the majority of the film. It's sometimes difficult to understand why certain things are being done, outside of the central conflict regarding the U.N. accord.
Civil War is also shot and edited to perfection; it's some of the best editing and camerawork I've seen in a Marvel film (though none are really known for their cinematography). Everything is visually coherent and exciting, though certain visual effects are a bit obvious and feel like they could have benefitted from another coat of polish.
All told, Civil War is by far the best film Marvel has produced, by a very wide margin. Where The Winter Soldier failed to deliver a satisfying conclusion to what was an otherwise solid film, Civil War succeeds in just about every regard. Everyone brings their A game here, with RDJ turning in his best performance to date as Stark and Chris Evans continuing to prove he is the absolute definitive choice for Captain America. Also lending bright spots to the proceedings are Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther (a really outstanding performance and character) and Tom Holland as Spider-man.
This is still very much a Marvel film (Identifying an MCU movie: Yep, it's an MCU movie), but if Marvel Studios and the Russo brothers continue along this path (hint, they won't), we could finally see a true masterpiece from the franchise. For now, this as close as we're likely to get.
4.5/5
For context, my expectations of the comic book (or superhero, if you will) genre have become somewhat high over the last ten years or so. I'd say it was films like X2, Spider-man 2, and Batman Begins that really set a standard for the elements I'm most interested in seeing. For me, a core emotional element that ties my investment to the character and speaks to the human condition is crucial; that's what I most identify with. There aren't a lot of films in the genre that have done that and, for me, there haven't been any films in the MCU that have managed to achieve that.
The problem I seem to be having which is inherent in the MCU is the fact that the filmmakers seem to be more preoccupied with making the films and their stories fit together and interlock in such a way that creates a more broad and sweeping set of themes and subtexts, rather than honing in on a central, emotional idea. In the end, I just don't care for these characters as much as I do, say, Bruce Wayne's journey to discover who he will become in Batman Begins, or Peter Parker's struggle with accepting the responsibility that comes with his power and making personal sacrifices as a result in Spider-man 2. X-Men First Class and Days of Future Past, especially, created strong, core themes with scenes of raw emotional intensity, such as Magneto's tapping into a serene memory of his mother in order to realize the full potential of his power have had a far more memorable and lasting impact on me than anything I've seen in the MCU.
Enter Captain America: Civil War, which is by far the closest this universe has come to creating a "personal" and truly emotionally invested narrative which stays the course to the very end. Where The Winter Soldier failed to capitalize on Cap's emotional investment in the stakes by the time the third act comes to a close, Civil War succeeds on every conceivable level that a Marvel movie could, without feeling overly contrived and gimmicky. This is the first great film in the MCU.
There's a deft and confident direction here that's only been seen in one other Marvel movie, Guardians of the Galaxy. The film plays host to a number of interweaving threads and themes, but at the very center is the notion of escalation and "causality", as The Vision puts it. This movie gleefully spits in the face of the recent WB Superman efforts, taking time out to offer up a deep examination of the consequences of all of the relentless, mind-numbing, large-scale action set-pieces of the previous films (which I've come to despise). FINALLY a movie in the MCU comes along to acknowledge "Yeah, we constantly blow shit up while we fight the villain of the week...maybe there's some unseen consequences to that which we should probably consider." The Russo's exercise a steady and restrained (by MCU standards) hand in layering in the stakes and ideals that each of the characters face; some more than others. Surprisingly enough, the focus never feels like it strays too far from Steve Rogers himself; make no mistake, this still manages to feel like a Captain America film.
This is all paid off in spades with a final act that runs endless victory laps around the finale of every other Marvel film; it's tight, intimate, focused, and done on the smallest scale possible. There's a strong emphasis on solid action choreography that is well shot and paced. The Russo's step up their game in the hand-to-hand combat department, which is handled exceptionally well with credit owed to 2nd Unit and John Wick directors Chad Stahelski and David Leitch. These films need more practical, street-level fight sequences, and Civil War finally delivers the goods. The exhausting, world-ending, CG filled climaxes of past films are finally shelved in favor of an action scene that sees the stakes raised by emotions, and not just plot. The climax ends with poignancy rather than massive explosions and towering structures which come crashing down.
Unfortunately there are a few missteps which hold it back a bit, for me, though that might be a result of my own confusion. I was sure the film had retconned something in the MCU which was apparently known to Captain America, but it felt like a mild contrivance for the sake of getting emotions to run high at the end. I don't ever remember this being mentioned before in any Marvel film, so correct me if I've just managed to forget. This is easily forgiven because the climax is so damn satisfying; easily the best scenes in the film come at the end (which is how it SHOULD BE, but rarely ever is with the MCU). There's also a few moments where certain plot elements get muddled because the villain has set several events into motion, and yet his motivations are kept secret for the majority of the film. It's sometimes difficult to understand why certain things are being done, outside of the central conflict regarding the U.N. accord.
Civil War is also shot and edited to perfection; it's some of the best editing and camerawork I've seen in a Marvel film (though none are really known for their cinematography). Everything is visually coherent and exciting, though certain visual effects are a bit obvious and feel like they could have benefitted from another coat of polish.
All told, Civil War is by far the best film Marvel has produced, by a very wide margin. Where The Winter Soldier failed to deliver a satisfying conclusion to what was an otherwise solid film, Civil War succeeds in just about every regard. Everyone brings their A game here, with RDJ turning in his best performance to date as Stark and Chris Evans continuing to prove he is the absolute definitive choice for Captain America. Also lending bright spots to the proceedings are Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther (a really outstanding performance and character) and Tom Holland as Spider-man.
This is still very much a Marvel film (Identifying an MCU movie: Yep, it's an MCU movie), but if Marvel Studios and the Russo brothers continue along this path (hint, they won't), we could finally see a true masterpiece from the franchise. For now, this as close as we're likely to get.
4.5/5
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
In a way I guess they killed of Pietro in UoM because we can't have Quicksilver in two films and he'd be broken in this film.
I hate it. I hate non-natural-sounding dialog. Also it makes the characters unnaturally snarky just for the sake of it.
Good. This feels good.
I hate it. I hate non-natural-sounding dialog. Also it makes the characters unnaturally snarky just for the sake of it.
Good. This feels good.
Diprosalic
Banned
will see for the third time tonight
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Hint: They won't
... How the hell do you know? Bizarre comment to throw out
... How the hell do you know? Bizarre comment to throw out
Yeeeah. It's been pretty clear though from his posts elsewhere and in the review itself he's not the biggest MCU fan, which is fine, but that last jab comes across as overly cynical.
SolidChamp
Banned
I highly doubt they will ever do better than this.
This is still, by and large, a Marvel film. This is the first time since the first Iron Man that we've seen a climax on such a small scale. They gave us a villain who actually wasn't trying to overthrow some government, company, or topple a country, or end the world/galaxy...and we'll never get that again. Not for a long, long time.
It's all Thanos and "end of everything unless the Avengers save us" from here. Which is a shame.
This is still not as good as the best comic book films. It's just far, far better than anything else MCU related. It's a great film, but not a masterful one.
I'm just glad we finally got something that has some emotional fucking weight to it, as opposed to the endless chaos we've gotten for...how many films now?
So glad they made this movie. It felt like a rare opportunity to scale things back a bit (airport scene notwithstanding).
clay_ghost
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Antman?
SolidChamp
Banned
That's not what I'd consider to be all that resonant and memorable. Fun for what it was, but pretty forgettable.
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