MadLaughter
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He is Everett, and his role is slight enough that I don't know if he'll even be in BP.
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Captain America: Civil War Review Thread
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Nah, they just keep giving it to people who don't give a fuck or actually hate it .
Primethius
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The spoiler tags are killing me.
Gordon Shumway
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I guess I always took it as the Nolan trilogy was the beginning of the DC universe, considering he's produced the last two films. That's not so, correct? Ben's bat is yet another reboot? I wonder why they went that route? I'd say 90% of folks enjoyed those movies (minus Rises..people seem divided about that one in particular).
We really should avoid any sort of spoiler tags in this thread.
BronsonLee
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If I had to pick flaws about the movie, it's probably that it has the same general issues that most comic movies have in terms of clearing out crowds (this is only once) and a rather flimsy tack to get to the big scenes (again, only once).
Steak n Shake is just ok, and the drive thru takes forever. I do like their Frisco Melts quite a bit though
OH MY GOD STOOOOOOOOOOPPPPP
3 WEEKS DAMNIT
Isn't the clearing out crowds a response to MoS?
Pai Pai Master
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Ok I shutup now :x
Why do people say that? They were already explicitly saving citizens and crowd controlling in the first Avengers which was released a year before Man of Steel. Caring and looking out for people was from the very beginning a core principle of the Avengers.
Inferno313
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The Nolan movies work as a standalone Batman story that has a beginning, middle, and clearly defined end. They're great, but I don't think they work as part of a cinematic universe.
It'd take a pretty big leap to suddenly say that Superman exists in Batman's world due to the fact these films attempt to put Batman in a more realistic world, and to bring do BvS in the TDK universe would require one of two things. Using John Blakeman, a Batman no one would want to see, or completely reneging on the closure and character arcs of the trilogy by having Bruce return to Gotham.
BronsonLee
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Sounds lame!
I have no idea. But they try to have their cake and eat it too RE: collateral damage
I would need to see a Spectacular Spider-Man clip before I could confirm/deny anything with that
I didn't mind that really. Surprised that the action and how it was cut in the first half gets a pass by you.
Mr. Poolman
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This.
DC's stories are very cool, but somehow this whole "we are mature, everything is murder rape dark" thing going in comics has permeated to the cinematic universe.
Come on people! have fun! tell stories that makes us love the characters.
Make All Star Superman a film of hope and values.
BronsonLee
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The opening was good once it got down to the nitty gritty. I liked the first half, but it's obvious that like BvS, it's just trying to get you there. They do a fantastic job of introducing new people, though.
btw having slept on it, I still think Winter Soldier is better.
Gordon Shumway
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Oh, I understand that completely. I was more curious why they went that route, when the majority of people enjoyed those films. Seemed like the logical leaping point for the DCCU..up until Rises where it made it impossible thanks to it's ending.
More_Badass
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Personally I wouldn't mind, because I prefer non-superhero comics and crime fiction and darker stories, and I find the tone the DC movies are going for an intriguing change of pace from Marvel...but you still need to have a good movie.
That grounded "if superheroes appeared in our world" tone could work really well, but it's a shame that the movies within that interesting framework are as flawed as they are
I completely forgot that he's in this movie.
No, I know it was a thing before Steel but I keep thinking in Ultron and BvS, they mentioned a couple of times that they needed to get the bystanders out or it's empty at a certain hour.
AquaWateria
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I wonder how it would of turned out if Michael B Jordan played Black Panther instead of Chadwick Boseman.
Or if Andrew Garfield continued to play Spiderman.
Or if Andrew Garfield continued to play Spiderman.
BenjaminBirdie
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It's weird, I feel that's exactly what makes the MCU work for me. All the Earth stuff is shot very matter of factly and it makes it feel exactly like "if superheroes appeared in our world". Even though the DCCU is gritty and "realistic" it's so stylized I can't connect it to the actual world.
Pai Pai Master
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It was in Ultron because it was in Avengers. It's a core part of their big action scenes from the beginning. MoS completely ignored it, and they tried to half-ass it in BvS (it's the weekend so the city is empty...wtf city just entirely clears out on a Saturday)
Or at least if you try to tell mature stories do it in the right way. Making an adult film doesn't mean adding a blue filter and having no jokes in it. You actually must have a coherent and interesting story to tell.
You know. Like Nolan did it not too long ago!
That's well said. It really just comes down to the fact that the movies themselves are flawed...as simple as that.
ElBoxyBrown
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You want people to hate Superman even more?
Inferno313
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I think it's largely due to the fact that WB was pretty hands-off with Nolan, especially after TDK. They were going to let that guy do whatever he wanted, and I gather that what he wanted was simply to end his story, I don't think he's ever been a big comic-book geek, so I'm not sure if the idea of launching the other heroes appealed to him.
It seems like this is 99% of the spectrum I'm reading from reviewers:
Low end: This a pretty damn good movie. Maybe not Marvel's best, but clearly one of their top movies.
High end: This is the best comic movie ever made and solidifies that Cap has the best trilogy of the bunch.
Most everyone seems to agree that Spider-man and Black Panther are pretty awesome and that Marvel nailed the characters.
Did I miss anything? Man I can't wait to see this fucking movie.
Low end: This a pretty damn good movie. Maybe not Marvel's best, but clearly one of their top movies.
High end: This is the best comic movie ever made and solidifies that Cap has the best trilogy of the bunch.
Most everyone seems to agree that Spider-man and Black Panther are pretty awesome and that Marvel nailed the characters.
Did I miss anything? Man I can't wait to see this fucking movie.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, I'll endorse that. It's pretty close.
Gordon Shumway
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Glad they let him be him. Shame it ended up the way it did. I think the story would be a bit different if that's where the universe started up.
Sibersk Esto
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OH BOY
Mengy
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Hell no, DC has some incredible source material to pull from to make outstanding films, just look to their animated stuff for great examples. Their problem is that they are ignoring said material and changing their characters into something else, something darker, more twisted, and just generally less appealing or fun. Batman fans don't want to see him murdering people without concern on the big screen. Superman fans don't want a brooding destruction machine who seems to be overly selfish and just generally a huge prick. No one wanted a Lex Luthor who was more Joker than Lex, no one. People know these characters, they've grown up with them, and they want to see the heroes they love in live action. Marvel seems to understand this and they've created movie characters true to their comic counterparts, they are relatable and humanized and mostly enticing to watch on the screen. Plus they've put them in (mostly) competent films with good scripts. Warner Bros and DC either don't seem to care enough, or are possibly just incompetent at this. Either way the box office numbers are telling, and hopefully DC starts listening to the fans, SOON. Like NOW.
orthodoxy1095
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Are these Ukranian posters legit? Why don't we get anything this cool.
Those look exactly up the alley of the IMAX posters that AMC hands out for plenty of movies
IMAX gives out the best posters but these are GOAT
But Snyder's Superman does kind of reflect the current "American Way", that is that he is a supremely powerful entity that causes chaos and destruction in the name of "good" while the majority of the planet hates him. Helping the weak seems like a burden to him.
Oh I'm going to get hate for this one ...
Seconded. Dark and macabre does not equal realism or maturity. Something I heard leading up to BvS was "DC is approaching this in such a realistic way!! Superman would change everything, the world in the MCU acts like superheroes don't even exist!"
Nevermind the fact that we got senate hearings in Iron Man 2, Thor's appearance triggered reopening tesseract weapons research, and the NYC invasion lead to protect insight.
I'd argue the MCU also does a much better job of showing civilians in danger and their distress during a catastrophe. The people looking bored as they watch Zod and Superman in the sky in MoS will never not be weird.
BenjaminBirdie
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Obviously "the American Way" refers to idealistic ideas, not the way it is now.
He's obviously stylistically jumping forwards. Don't be petty with symbolic movement.
BenjaminBirdie
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Not to mention Civil War itself is total "real world hero consequences".
And, really, that's the Marvel bread and butter. They constantly have events reflecting current events, current barometer of the country's sentiment about stuff. Fear Itself was based off of the growing distrust among Americans towards pretty much everything, for just one example.
Not that DC stinks at it. Snyder (the good one) did a fucking amazing Batman issue about police murdering innocent black kids.
But when you frame your CU through this weird Snyder (the bad one) lens, it's really hard to have anything resonate in a subtle, Marvely way. It's why everyone had all those icky 9/11 vibes from MoS. It doesn't reflect current events, it stylizes them and heightens their like grotesqueness.
BenjaminBirdie
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Don't be not getting my Hollywood Handbook tone bruh
Crack open a comedy podcast much? It don't sound like ya do.
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