What can I say, I find your egotism really grating and often cringeworthy. Maybe even more so because occasionally you actually have something worthwhile to say.
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Captain America: Civil War Review Thread
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What can I say, I find your egotism really grating and often cringeworthy. Maybe even more so because occasionally you actually have something worthwhile to say.
The only egotism I see here is you thinking you know what you're talking about.... lol.
Discotheque
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Gotta take the good with the bad. Love the condescension though, keep it up breh. The irony of your posts is never lost on me. Lets squash this civil war in the civil war thread though and move on....
la flama blanca
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The guy has made a crap ton of fake accounts that comment and he actually replies to them/himself. I feel bad for him.
Bobby Roberts
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You kidding?
The whole reason it's a thing is because the dipshit marks who grew up thinking it was all real got jobs in mainstream media when they grew up.
Try and find an article written in the last 5 years from any of the major entertainment news publications that doesn't refer to the DC/Marvel "rivalry" with a completely straight face.
You'll need less fingers than a Simpson.
I get what you're saying but I don't think it'll stay that way for long. It reminds me of how people used to brush off blog sites but now some bloggers are considered legit reviewers. There's going to come a day when youtube reviews start getting listed on aggregate sites like RT, I'd bet money on it.
Do I want that to happen? No, not really. But yutube has changed a lot about how we process media. I don't believe these guys are forced into just new/commentary and can't also be critics. In fact, I think that's what a lot of these guys are actively trying to do. The distinction you're trying to make would also fit something like Entertainment Weekly but reviews in that commentary magazine are taken "seriously" because they're written.
broncobuster
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Double Toasted are the only critics on YouTube with the bravery to point out disney's TUG scheme.
I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Youtube stuff won't be taken seriously. They -already are- in many cases. Youtube is just a platform, it's what you use to distribute stuff. The important thing to focus on is the actual type of content being distributed.
The comparison with blogs is spot on, but again, I would say we need to look at context. Blogsites are taken "seriously" to an extent, but they are still viewed (and rightfully so) as a form of independent and/or amateur production. Again that's not me shitting on it so much as pointing out what it is. That's how you can get your start and even get a stable income. But that's not where you stop. If you're serious about being published, you want to put out a book, do articles for larger publications, etc. Widen your reach.
My point is that Youtube personalities of the sort being talked about earlier will never be recognized as "critics" because that's not really their content. They are commentators and personalities. There are absolutely real critique on Youtube, but no rational person would look at something like Every Frame and compare it with some dude talking smack about Marvel vs DC garbage just because both are videos on Youtube.
Also, who the fuck really cares what is or isn't counted on RT? The entire obsession with numbers and what is "legit" is something that should be done for fun with the least amount of investment in possible.
I feel sorry for him. He should be h getting medical attention.
Bobby Roberts
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My only problem with the open-mouth critics on YouTube (why do all their thumbnails feature them with their gob just unhinged and yawning into their titles) isn't their insight (sometimes it's pretty damned good) it's just the format. And the length. Primarily - their format is entirely too jumpy/choppy to run as long as it does.
Either chop down those reviews to nothing but the trenchant insights and leave out all the wasted syllables recapping/synopsizing the plot (because really, that's the worst part of any review), or dial back the style so that the 15-20 minutes you're asking me to listen to you and you alone (staring directly at your face taking up 2/3rds of the frame) becomes way less abrasive.
Half in the Bag isn't half as insightful as some of its viewers claim it to be, but it's also a hell of a lot more watchable because it's not going apeshit with the cuts/jumps, it's not right up on their faces, and it's set up to make you feel like you're part of the circle, not half a foot away from a really awkward date night.
Either chop down those reviews to nothing but the trenchant insights and leave out all the wasted syllables recapping/synopsizing the plot (because really, that's the worst part of any review), or dial back the style so that the 15-20 minutes you're asking me to listen to you and you alone (staring directly at your face taking up 2/3rds of the frame) becomes way less abrasive.
Half in the Bag isn't half as insightful as some of its viewers claim it to be, but it's also a hell of a lot more watchable because it's not going apeshit with the cuts/jumps, it's not right up on their faces, and it's set up to make you feel like you're part of the circle, not half a foot away from a really awkward date night.
Discotheque
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Hmm, you're right bobby. But the media has yet to actively root for or against any of these properties from either company yet. Nor do I think they ever will. Have to report impartially which is something bloggers and such aren't beholden to.
Thank you, Bobby. I hate that shit. It's so annoying and it's why I'll never take them seriously.
Gordon Shumway
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LMAO. Lawd knows I ain't too bright (el oh els and gifs prove this). I love watching the DT reviews. Don't agree with Corey & company for the majority of shit. I watch them for the laughs. Half in the Bag (who I find just as absurd) is another crew I fucks with.
End of the day, I'm reviewing these things..PayPal be damned.
LegionAgent
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Wait, for real? Wow, now I REALLY feel sorry for him.
Discotheque
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I'll paypal you 20 bucks to eat a cat and review it.
Gordon Shumway
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That's not what I'm suggesting at all though. You're right, Youtube is just a media platform, but so is broadcast or film documentary or written columns. You're saying something like Every Frame a Painting could never be considered "real" critic work but why not? You even admit there's some great critiques on youtube. And yeah, those personalities will generally use youtube as a springboard to bigger and better things, but that might be a youtube or streaming show put on by a large publication or conglomerate. Youtube is a platform still in its infancy, I'm merely suggesting that platform may grow to be taken much more seriously than you're willing to admit. I don't think that's going to happen like...next year or anything. But the way we evaluate and critique media is going to change as our media consumption changes, especially as journalist organizations continue to invest in a new ways to reach people.
AquaWateria
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Double Toasted are my go to critics.
Plus getting a dose of Corey saying hilarious shit is a joy to watch.
Plus getting a dose of Corey saying hilarious shit is a joy to watch.
Reviews are subjective by nature. That doesn't mean all reviewers are equal, of course, but the idea that a review can be done objectively is utter nonsense.
EDIT: I'm admittedly a bit biased in regards to YouTube reviewers since I do them for video games on my own channel, but even I have a fair amount of cautious optimism towards it being the future of critique, especially with a lot of questionable ethics from certain channels. Still, Really That Good (Moviebob) is there, as are quite a few other worthwhile channels focused on dissecting media (History Buffs, etc.), hence why i'm not opposed to it entirely since I can pick and choose what to watch.
ElBoxyBrown
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For me it was the small twitter posts from critics warning us that BvS was on a whole other level of shit before dropping their review the next day. I was sweatin with anticipation.
IndoAssassin
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Why? He's actually more entertaining than pink dude.
This is what I meant when I referred to egotism and why I mocked wholesale rejection of a group of amateur critics solely because of their platform.
Son.
Gordon Shumway
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Word! Like I said, it's all for the laughs. I don't know that I take any "personality" seriously when it comes to reviews. A couple of people I've known all my life. A handful on here. That's about it. Even still, I watched Fan4stic twice..as I did BVS (with BvS being infinitely better). I'll make up my own mind..weather folks agree or not. My money, after all..
I... never said that? I'm just saying that is not where the critic world is headed. That stuff exists, but it's hardly the most popular stuff on Youtube that is pushing the popularity of the platform. They're not going to be replacing critics elsewhere anytime, they're supplementing it. If anything, it's a great springboard for the people who produce stuff like Every Frame to publish themselves elsewhere in future as well.
The Youtube Personalities are the ones who will be replacing Talk Shows and Entertainment Today and Entertainment Weekly eventually when people stop consuming stuff in such restricted formats.
ChasingComets
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Great taste. I've tried finding more channels that does filmmaking analysis like EFP, but hardly anything else has the same kind of eloquence in delivery.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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He's really bad at math
AquaWateria
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I have to say the video Double Toasted made over the Doctor Strange trailer was full of laughs.
The shit Corey said about Benedict Cumberbatch and Chiwetel Ejiofor killed me. Seriously bless this man. Double Toasted is one of the few YouTube channels that provides consistent quality entertainment.
la flama blanca
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Bunch of naked accounts post comments pretty quickly after every single new video is posted. He's even awful at trying to make them sound unique in the way they "speak".
I suspect some kind of mental illness, or he's going to snap eventually.
I don't believe that's the solely what these personalities are striving for though. It may make up the bulk of their time, mostly because of necessity, but it's not like EW reviews are discarded as vapid garbage either just because the bulk of the mag is Hollywood news and gossip.
Wow. I thought she was just a bit loony over this whole thing but accusing Campea about being on the take for Marvel, she's fucking unhinged.
It's kind of disgusting how she's spinning everything to look like the victim when she was the main shit starter.
I fear it's may 6th, when he wants to go see BvS in protest of civil war or some shit, and it no longer runs and the cashier friendly offers him tickets for civil war.
Again you misunderstand. EW is not representative of the sum or even the majority of what is view as the critics circle. So why would Youtube Personalities becoming the next EW indicate that critics in general are headed towards Youtube? That is the reach that makes no sense to me. This isn't a debate about what is or isn't a "real critic" because I think that's a boring and pointless debate. This is me questioning that the field of film critique in general is moving towards a Youtube format. I don't think it is, I think it will exist in some form on the platform like everything else does, but there isn't really a trend.
Gordon Shumway
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No doubt! Funniest thing was I had already made that fucked up 12 Years a Slave connection with my wife months ago. To hear them do it was straight hilarious! Surprised they didn't mention the Rhino/Magneto connection.
Not only that but she puts in that "gotcha" shit right at the end basically trying to paint ANY reply as some kind of laughable ego trip.
But really she was like "oh no I'm the baddie".
broncobuster
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Same. I watch DT and RLM for the laughs. Funny crews with good raport. Most YouTube channels don't have the insight or personality to catch my interest.
Discotheque
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I died when they kept rewinding that window kick in the transporter review. That white girl they have on their panel is really questionable tho...
The sense of humour is vital. Half In The Bag does raise some good points about the films they watch, but primarily it's just watching two guys trying to make each other laugh/hilarious 'bad acting' in the skits.
Gordon Shumway
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YOOOOO! LMAO. The fuck even came up with such a ridiculous scene? Probably their best review. Not to say that nuggets don't exist in many others..that one is just hard to top with its absurdity.
Also, which white girl? Don't think I've seen one on the show..
Always skip the skits and get to the review part. They certainly do have good points, at times. Seems they take it a bit more serious than the DT guys, if you could believe it.
Depends on when Armond White submit his review.
Who is that?
From what I've gathered having seen him mentioned elsewhere, he's a critic who deliberately always goes against the grain? So he just shits on & gives rotten reviews for movies that generally get good reviews and gives good, "fresh" reviews to movies that are generally thought to be bad. Not sure if this impression is right.
clay_ghost
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Local paper(Straits times) here rates Civil war 3/5 stars. Same guy rated BvS 1/5 so it's better than that at least.
The comments are hilarious though.
THERE IS THIS GUY THAT CLAIMS TO BE A DC FAN BUT HE MADE A VIDEO WHERE HE SAID HE WAS EXCITED FOR CIVIL WAR! EXPOSE HIM AS NOT REALLY BEING A DC FAN!
I mean, if you don't even understand the definition of the word fan, please don't say anything.
CaviarMeths
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He's a critic who thinks all other critics are terrible and decadent and he, alone, is qualified to review and assess film. But oddly, his reviews are mostly just incoherent ramblings about politics and the downfall of society, often not even related to the film.
Even Ebert once called him a troll. Even if you don't believe that and that he is sincere in his opinions, he is probably the most contrarian film critic on the whole. As far as blockbusters go, he has written bad reviews for every Marvel film, every Nolan film, every Disney and Pixar animated film, every Harry Potter film... but he dug the heck out of Transformers 2, Terminator Salvation, Clash of the Titans, and Grown Ups.
Last featured on NeoGAF with his rave review of Batman v Superman.
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