pants
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Cap is a tough son of a bitch and yes, civil war is one of the worst things ever.
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Captain America vs. Master Chief
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Cap is a tough son of a bitch and yes, civil war is one of the worst things ever.
Okay let's be clear. Cap isn't peak human, he's enhanced human. He's stronger and more durable than even a peak human but not at levels anywhere near Thor or Hulk.
Cap when absolutely pushing himself can lift close to 2,000 lbs. He heals very quickly, not Wolvie or Hulk healing factor quick, but enough to recover from very severe wounds in a few days to a week.
Dude can work through gunshots, but after a certain caliber a gunshot will kill him like anyone else if it hits a vital spot.
Cap is a beast gymnast/acrobat again with movement beyond peak human by not by very much. Still enough for me to say he dances around MC.
If MC gets his "luck" power, then Cap get his indomitable will.
Cap when absolutely pushing himself can lift close to 2,000 lbs. He heals very quickly, not Wolvie or Hulk healing factor quick, but enough to recover from very severe wounds in a few days to a week.
Dude can work through gunshots, but after a certain caliber a gunshot will kill him like anyone else if it hits a vital spot.
Cap is a beast gymnast/acrobat again with movement beyond peak human by not by very much. Still enough for me to say he dances around MC.
If MC gets his "luck" power, then Cap get his indomitable will.
How would he do that, given the rest of what you say about Cap has him far slower and weaker than your typical Spartan soldier from the Halo universe? MC also has a super computer in his head/armour.
Messypandas
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Even in Lego Marvel, that had to invent a switch thingy that only his shield fits into. Because hes friggin useless. Real talk.
Combination of the above coupled with his tactical genius. He isn't simply reacting to Chief. Also I'm not suggesting that it's a laugh riot for Cap, it's just as likely Cap doesn't get many hits in either but Cap is leaping and dodging lots of hits to Chief's surprise I'm sure. Think Batman vs. Cap, on paper Cap's got every advantage but Bats would be an still be an unbelievable challenge.
Also can we acknowledge that whining about comicbook writing is the weakest shit so far?
Its not like MC having a supercomputer in his head, having super luck, being able to live through freefall from orbit to earth, having a magical regenerating shield, super bone structure, etc. etc. is any less absurd than what Cap has done in comics.
I mean that's approaching Warhammer 40k levels of silly.
Oh add that to the list too.
I kept wating for Mr Fantastic to say, 'you know, I could just make something that fits in there and just put it in there. It's not like the switch requires Captain America'
The only people who think Cap is lame are people who have never read a comicbook and make their judgments based on Lego videogames.
Messypandas
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The Omega Man
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Cap is not lame, but he is surrounded by incredible OP heroes and villains that make him look puny in comparison, it's MARVEL's fault
rokkerkory
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love them both
'They're not real fans. Not like me!'
AnathemicOne
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That's just it though, on paper MC has the edge over Caps to which most people are saying here. Both are enhanced giving both superhuman abilities and whatnot. MC has the edge due to conditioning since childhood and tech 500 years in the future compared to genius serum/tech from WW2. For strategy/tactics MC would have the edge due to AI/supercomputer melded with his mind at all times, even if you ignore that you still have to consider 500 years of warfare knowledge ahead of Caps. For gear, Caps has an indestructible 2.5 diamater shield whilst MC has full body armor plus a regenerating shield over that known to withstand freefalls from orbit. Caps has fists and a pistol, MC has both plus the wide array of weapons from 2 (now 3) different races.
Well MC lives 500 years in the future so none of that seems very silly to be honest. If anything I'd say the Halo universe is very conservative with its tech. Humans are pretty much still reliant on projectile/kinetic weapons that far in the future seems hard to believe.
Not sure how artificial AI, shields, augmentive treatments (Which Cap seemed to have gotten in the 1940's yet you question it happening in 2542?) all seem far fetched based on when they happen in time.
Pretty much all of that does also apply to the MC
Now that's something I like. Cap winning by outsmarting his opponent and being willing to sacrifice himself
My point is they're ultimately the same kind of goofballs. Even if you say 'it's the future!' both are still fantasy, neither are exactly hard sci-fi. It's part of why these nonsense debates are so much fun to engage in.
One of my favourite quotes from the franchise
Cortana: They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose which ever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. But you had something they didn't, something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck.
Right. Like I said after, it's not like I think Cap breezes through a bout with MC. Just clarifying the whole 'is Cap peak human or better?' confusion.
Ah ok, gotcha.
Luck is recognized as a power in Marvel, no? With Longshot?
It's science fiction. A portable supercomputer, an energy shield based on alien technology, and physical augmentation are all fairly standard sci-fi tech. Even the free-fall from orbit is a consistent part of the tech with armor lock. The only thing that's silly is the "super luck", and that's basically a jokey explanation for why the Master Chief was never sniped or nuked or arrived after a battle.
None of that is inconsistency like calling a guy peak human while he dodges bullets or spars with Thor.
Because he can distract cap by spoiling him baseball scores
On paper, the Halo universe in the 1940's did not have supersoldier serum that let people dodge bullets.
Beautiful.
Domino as well. Yes, I believe it's classified as probability manipulation which falls somewhere under reality-warping.
AnathemicOne
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Why wouldn't it? I mean a modern day soldier will annihilate any battallion of soldiers with gunpowder weapons from the 1700s. Apply the same comparison with MC and Caps.
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Except that cap is from a world with more technological advances in secret. There are whole organizations devoted to super science. He's not even close to on the same comparison as someone with such a generational divide. Alien invasions, super science weapon attacks, time and multiverse fuckery, he's been in it all. Using 500 years as an advantage when they aren't in the same timeline is useless
Manmademan
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Because captain America isn't from MCs universe 500 years in the past. He's in the marvel universe present day, and 21st century marvel universe is WILDLY more advanced than the halo universe.
There were self aware superhuman androids as far back as 1940. Look up the original human torch. 20th century marvel had ultron developed in the 1960s, an AI so advanced it ended up leading a race that conquered a galaxy.
20th century marvel has ships that can traverse the universe in seconds, time travel devices, perfect cloning, advanced genetic engineering, and doomsday weapons that can turn planets to dust and lay waste to entire galaxies. The human race has fought off invasion from advanced alien races (the kree, Shi ar, phalanx, skrulls, etc) so many times it has a galactic "leave this planet alone" sign tacked on it.
Halo by all measures is LESS advanced than where the MU is circa 2014.
pants
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Now I'll be the first to admit I would be able to go into detail on Halo science, but I cant see it being ahead of Marvel science.
Yeah, but Cap doesn't hasn't dealt with instantaneous bullets. Hitscan BR is OP.
Just_myles
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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Well that sounds like Cap to me. No way is he peak human. That has changed over the years. When he lost his serum way back in the 90s in "streets of ice" (think that was the name) he went to being human again. Heroes reborn changed that, so he is back to being the super solder in every sense of the word. Not taking anything away from Ultimate cap who is pretty powerful too.
Anathemicone said:
Well in combat it's different if Cap is always moving, and we just covered that he is rather quick. I doubt a leg or even a knee shot will slow him down much. Remember Cap heals relatively quick too, not Wolverine quick but, quick.
AnathemicOne
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Alright then let's assume said serum developed in 1940 MU is equivalent to Spartan conditioning/augmentation in 2517 in the Haloverse. and let's assume MC's current expertise to tactics/strategy is equivalent to Cap's or pretty damn close (taking into account of feats).
Theorycraft time. MC's mind is melded artificially with an AI at all times. By the very definition of technological computation, a human cannot hope to compete with an AI superhuman or not. If there's an MU source proving this wrong then I'll concede this point.
Gear. Cap has an indestructible 2.5 ft diameter shield, MC has full body armor that can withstand freefalls from orbit and a regenerating 5-7 second shield ontop of that. Said armor is 320kg by itself. MC also has access to weaponry across 3 different species/groups, human(kinetic/energy (energy being the Spartan Laser)), Covenant(energy/plasma), and now Promethean(particle). Assume Caps can dodge/heal human weaponry, I have no idea how Caps deals with energy/plasma, I also have no idea how Caps does with particle disintegration. If someone can source me that Caps can dodge the speed of light and/or survive particle disintegration I will concede this point.
User 73706
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America doesn't even exist in the haloverse! It's the United Republic of North America or some shit by 2552.
If Chief has in-game guns (AKA hitscan and autoaim), Cap loses. If not, Chief loses.
If Chief has in-game guns (AKA hitscan and autoaim), Cap loses. If not, Chief loses.
Finaika
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You forgot Cap's handgun with adamantium bullets.
DoktorEvil
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(series)#Setting_and_plot
This is just what we know about the forerunners NOW. Imagine what else we don't know about their secrets...
Also, the Inner and Outer colonies engaged in civil war? Can the Cap shed a tear for humanity now?
I see your forerunners, they ok. But these guys visit earth and leave their junk around.
Cap and his crew already wrecked their own, and arguably more advanced, precursor race. Cap doesn't just save Earth but the entire goddamn galaxy (again).
You want to win a battle? Bring Master Chief. You want to win the war? Call The Captain.
Let's just copypasta Pandaman's post from the last Cap thread:
before captain america:
after captain america:
TUROK
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At the end of the day, Cap wins because he's a comic book character, meaning he's able to take on things that logically, should pound him into dust in seconds, because if there's one thing comic books need to have, it's contrived, bullshit ways of making their heroes do shit that they shouldn't even be able to do.
Because of course no other media does this and especially not ever videogames! This is why Master Chief being super lucky is in no way contrived bullshit.
DoktorEvil
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Comic books get away with it a hell of a lot more.
No doubt, but considering the medium existed for a half-century longer than videogames it's not entirely surprising.
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