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[XAL]

I honestly expected a lot more out of an epic fight. But realizing that Machinima made it and not Bat in the sun just really killed the video and hype for me. Not because that Cap won.

But for the following reasons:
1. The fight was short.
2. Cap. fell out of a plane without a parachute and landed on his two feet without any injuries.
3. Punching Chief's armor would break his bones. (which 2 & 3, regardless of healing factor, that would be a significant factor against him in the fight)
4. Chief took the shield hit to his mouth piece. Not the visor.
5. Master Chief is a Spartan II. They were experimented with augmentations that even exceeded their "replacements" which were S3's & S4's (Captain's super soldier formula is the equivalent of the III's & IV's)
6. Machinimas FB post in reply to fan lashbacks was "Chief went through a lot, from being abducted from his parents, augmentated on, losing his fellow soldiers/friends, and the lose of his A.I. Companion Cortana whom went Rampant and died after saving him, which with all that into account is reason enough that He Wanted To Die." And also majority fan votes went to Captain America.

With #6 as their logic is completely flawed and illogical to the hypothetical fight scenario.

I could careless if either one of these two awesome heros were to lose in a battle. It's mainly how it was done which is why their video got bad votes. It sucked badly...

Still haven't seen the alternate version which I think it's out already by now.

I love Cap, but Machinima's reasoning was dummmbbb.

Master Chief was genetically superior to begin with, then he was enhanced severely with super solider bio-enhancements as well as cybernetic implants and a diminished sex drive to increase combat efficiency. Then they put him in a suit of power armor that enhances every physical attribute (strength, speed, reaction time, etc) and it has shields that deflects bullets. Not to mention he was trained to be an elite soldier since he was a child (and as a child better than most adult career elite soldiers), and I think he has a couple decades of combat experience over Cap.

MC was basically almost Captain America as a child towards the end of his military training before he had any enhancements so that video is laughable.

 

[Finaika]

3. Punching Chief's armor would break his bones. (which 2 & 3, regardless of healing factor, that would be a significant factor against him in the fight)

Cap punches armored people all the time.

 

[NobleGundam]

Cap punches armored people all the time.

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

 

[Htown]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

bullshit

 

[killer rin]

I love Cap, but Machinima's reasoning was dummmbbb.

Master Chief was genetically superior to begin with, then he was enhanced severely with super solider bio-enhancements as well as cybernetic implants and a diminished sex drive to increase combat efficiency. Then they put him in a suit of power armor that enhances every physical attribute (strength, speed, reaction time, etc) and it has shields that deflects bullets. Not to mention he was trained to be an elite soldier since he was a child (and as a child better than most adult career elite soldiers), and I think he has a couple decades of combat experience over Cap.

MC was basically almost Captain America as a child towards the end of his military training before he had any enhancements so that video is laughable.

Aren't the Chiefs Bones suppose to be virtually indestructible after the Augmentations? Something about them taking the strength of steel.

 

[J10]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

 

[pants]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

 

[Boss Riovane]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

 

[J10]

Aren't the Chiefs Bones suppose to be virtually indestructible after the Augmentations? Something about them taking the strength of steel.

In the novel First Strike, set during the destruction of Reach, most of the existing Spartan II's died falling out of the sky while bailing from a falling aircraft. The ones who lived all had really horrible injuries: collapsed lungs, ruptured spleens, broken bones everywhere, blood pressure off the charts, all manner of horrible shit. Their armor was literally the only thing holding most of them together. When they were finally able to get medical attention, none of them bothered to actually rest while they were healing. They are incredibly resilient, but they're not invincible.

 

[Random17]

Noble Gundam
Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

-Last time I checked Tony's Mark 2 survived the airblast/direct hit of a tank shell, albeit a slow one. This vastly supersedes anything Mjolnir has ever accomplished in terms of user survivability.

-Let's also remember that Spartan Grace (?) was killed by a Bruteshot.

-Iron Man can fly at supersonic speeds. Not much more to say here.

-Even if you take the low end interpretations of movie Iron Man and the high end interpretations of Chief, Iron Man will still win since his armor is invulnerable to the basic UNSC kit.

->Iron Man curb-stomps the Master Chief.
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Ultimately, I see this debate coming down whether or not Captain America can take AR or pistol shots, as well as how he uses his super strength against the Chief. Again, this is using the boring book feats, instead of gameplay Chief .

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

Eh...

-If we use Incredible Cross Section calculations, sure. But therein lies the issue; they are so ridiculous and contradictory when compared to other material... and stardestroyer.net is dying for a variety of reasons related to this. I can stick to PM's if you want to talk more about this, consider this a synopsis.

->The Empire will almost certainly defeat the Federation though, that's a foregone conclusion.

J10
In the novel First Strike, set during the destruction of Reach, most of the existing Spartan II's died falling out of the sky while bailing from a falling aircraft. The ones who lived all had really horrible injuries: collapsed lungs, ruptured spleens, broken bones everywhere, blood pressure off the charts, all manner of horrible shit. Their armor was literally the only thing holding most of them together. When they were finally able to get medical attention, none of them bothered to actually rest while they were healing. They are incredibly resilient, but they're not invincible

-From memory, only four die, while others suffered major injuries. I think you are exaggerating the extent of their injuries, but it shouldn't matter anyway; they were a functional combat unit despite their injuries.

I'll bring up the example of the Nanosuit in Crysis; it makes no difference if Alcatraz is dead or alive, in the context of a vs debate the Nanosuit is still effective as a fighting unit.

The narrative then follows Red Team as they ride a Pelican down to the surface, but are forced to make a supersonic hard landing to the ground after the pilot gets hit by plasma fire from Seraph fighters. The impact kills four of the Spartans and leaves many more seriously injured.

http://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_First_Strike#Section_0:_Reach


Either way, the Master Chief survived two re-entry events without seeking medical attention in the immediate aftermath. Halo 3's opening involved a diagnosis; no real treatment.

 

[Toxi]

Also, unless I'm mistaken, keep in mind that Cap's shield will pass though both of MCs shields with ease as it absorbs virtually all forms of energy.

Captain America's Shield would be covered in a layer of ice if it actually did that.

 

[TheOddOne]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

 

[Random17]

Captain America's Shield would be covered in a layer of ice if it actually did that.

And if we use the feats from the Avengers, he actually reflects both Thor's hammer swing and Iron Man's repulsor in two separate occasions. If his shield absorbs a significant amount energy, then movies definitely don't show it.

Last time I checked, his shield becomes stronger over time* due to the strengthening of its molecular structure, but we know little about that beyond the basics as far as I am aware.

*Through use and abuse.

 

[Meteorain]

Hmm, I would probably throw in my vote with MC.

I like Cap A, but a lot of the time when he's winning fights against guys leagues above him is due to writer stupidity. Unfortunately MC has got the better stats on him.

The real question that really gets the proverbial goat of Halo fans is:

How many Spartans does it take to kill a WH40k Space Marine?

Spoiler

Answer: A lot!

 

[Toxi]

Hmm, I would probably throw in my vote with MC.

I like Cap A, but a lot of the time when he's winning fights against guys leagues above him is due to writer stupidity.

The real question that really gets the proverbial goat of Halo fans is:

How many Spartans does it take to kill a WH40k Space Marine?

Spoiler

Answer: A lot!

Depends on what marine too. I can't imagine how many Spartans it would take to bring down Logan Grimnar at close range.

Space Marines are a lot like comic characters though in that they can be pretty variable. I think the strongest depiction of them was Brothers of the Snake, but there are also some ridiculous individual showings like Calgar beating an Avatar of Khaine.

 

[Meteorain]

Depends on what marine too. I can't imagine how many Spartans it would take to bring down Logan Grimnar at close range.

Space Marines are a lot like comic characters though in that they can be pretty variable. I think the strongest depiction of them was Brothers of the Snake, but there are also some ridiculous individual showings like Calgar beating an Avatar of Khaine.

There's a lot of in depth and technical info out there on SM's.

Even the most basic of them is enhanced to stupid levels. Even without their Power Armour on they can crush a man's skull with their bare hands, and run around with 70kg lightning claws like it's a toothpick.

For a basic SM, a Spartan most definitely cannot go 1 on 1. At minimum, you're gonna need about 3, and that is against probably a newly initiated SM.

 

[Duebrithil]

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

Iron Man's armor had roller skates once, so...

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

-If we use Incredible Cross Section calculations, sure. But therein lies the issue; they are so ridiculous and contradictory when compared to other material... and stardestroyer.net is dying for a variety of reasons related to this. I can stick to PM's if you want to talk more about this, consider this a synopsis.

They are far from reliant on ICS books. A lot of pages are devoted to actual calculations based on scenes in movies or events in the SW books. Star Destroyers have reduced planet crusts to slag on numerous occasions in the EU. Vaporising large asteroids nearly instantaneously in Empire Strikes Back also seems to indicate very high energy levels in those blasters.

How many Spartans does it take to kill a WH40k Space Marine?

Spoiler

Answer: A lot!

Uhh, one? That's not to say Spartans are better, but one Spartan is certainly capable of killing one Space Marine in principle assuming it has access to something it can use penetrate the armor suit, e.g. Spartan Laser or some kind of improvised weapon. In fact in an ambush type scenario it's perfectly believable to kill many, many Space Marines.

 

[Hypron]

Uhh, one? That's not to say Spartans are better, but one Spartan is certainly capable of killing one Space Marine in principle assuming it has access to something it can use penetrate the armor suit, e.g. Spartan Laser or some kind of improvised weapon. In fact in an ambush type scenario it's perfectly believable to kill many, many Space Marines.

Yeah but ambushes and heavy weapons are no fun (because it goes both ways, a SM with a heavy weapon in an ambush position could wreck a shitton of spartans). 1 vs 1 with standard equipment is more fun.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Yeah but ambushes and heavy weapons are no fun (because it goes both ways, a SM with a heavy weapon in an ambush position could wreck a shitton of spartans). 1 vs 1 with standard equipment is more fun.

I don't think standard UNSC equipment is capable of penetrating SM armor. Maybe the grenade could do it, or it could kill a marine if it was one that didn't have a helmet on at the time. Everyone in 40k uses like automatic grenade launchers and heavy laser weaponry as standard equipment. It's not that Halo verse isn't capable of dishing out the pain, actually UNSC warship main guns are according to the numbers they give in novels and such capable of going pound-for-pound with a lot of 40k and Star Wars stuff. But it's not standard infantry equipment, because the UNSC isn't currently organized to face down those kinds of opponents.

A Spartan II would be tougher than a lot of normal enemies that a SM would face in combat. Not the toughest mind you, but fairly high tier for "normal" soldiers in that universe. It's their lack of big guns as standard that would hurt them in the fights though. When the UNSC is expecting to face down heavy stuff they will deploy rocket launchers, spartan lasers and such, but if it's just standard AR and Pistol Chief, he's going to be in for a rough fight.

 

[Meteorain]

Uhh, one? That's not to say Spartans are better, but one Spartan is certainly capable of killing one Space Marine in principle assuming it has access to something it can use penetrate the armor suit, e.g. Spartan Laser or some kind of improvised weapon. In fact in an ambush type scenario it's perfectly believable to kill many, many Space Marines.

I too could kill an SM if I sat in a spaceship and dropped bombs on his head.

A Spartan Laser has a detrimental charge up time, and in an infantry vs infantry situation it's most unlikely he would be given the freedom to use it. If he takes the time to aim and charge up, he's going to take bolter fire and die. Not to mention an SM is quite fast and may be hard to get a proper bead on.

Yes, ambushing anyone usually gives one an advantage but ambushing an SM is also quite a hard thing to do, considering their ridiculous response times and detection capacity.

The problem with SM, is that even if you do manage to penetrate their armour, they are so stupidly resilient that they ignore a lot of wounds that would normally debilitate someone and continue fighting.

A Spartan II would be tougher than a lot of normal enemies that a SM would face in combat. Not the toughest mind you, but fairly high tier for "normal" soldiers in that universe. It's their lack of big guns as standard that would hurt them in the fights though. When the UNSC is expecting to face down heavy stuff they will deploy rocket launchers, spartan lasers and such, but if it's just standard AR and Pistol Chief, he's going to be in for a rough fight.

I dunno about a Spartan II being tougher than most normal SM enemies. SM are deployed to take care of the tough shit that normal Imperial Guard cannot crack. Orks, Tyranids, Chaos Marines, Eldar, Necrons are all pretty damn tough. A Spartan maybe trumps over Tau and normal Chaos converts?

I mean it's not their fault, the entire WH40k universe is based off neverending warfare, so everything is pretty much tough.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

A Spartan would be tougher than a Tau Firewarrior, non-Marine Chaos, perhaps low ranking daemon-like things, regular Eldar troops and Imperial Guardsmen. Tougher than Kroot, way tougher than those little goblin shits that Orks sometimes have with them. Whether they're tougher than Orks or Tyranids I'm not sure. I have a feeling they would be given the regenerative shielding and armor, at the very least they would be "comparable" in physical resilience. Marines, Chaos Marines and Necrons are the only base units for factions I can think of that should be unambiguously tougher.

A Spartan Laser has a detrimental charge up time, and in an infantry vs infantry situation it's most unlikely he would be given the freedom to use it. If he takes the time to aim and charge up, he's going to take bolter fire and die. Not to mention an SM is quite fast and may be hard to get a proper bead on.

Yes, ambushing anyone usually gives one an advantage but ambushing an SM is also quite a hard thing to do, considering their ridiculous response times and detection capacity.

Spartans have super reflexes and extremely fast movement too. I can't seem to find solid figures for Spess Mahreen running speeds but at least for the Spartan it's like 50-60 kp/h. As long as the Spartan can bring a big gun with it, I don't see any reason to think that it wouldn't be a good fight that the Spartan could plausibly win.

 

[Hypron]

Spartans have super reflexes and extremely fast movement too. I can't seem to find solid figures for Spess Mahreen running speeds but at least for the Spartan it's like 50-60 kp/h. As long as the Spartan can bring a big gun with it, I don't see any reason to think that it wouldn't be a good fight that the Spartan could plausibly win.

IIRC space marines don't run especially quickly (their amours are extremely heavy anyway). I'm not sure running fast would be a significant advantage though, SM are marksmen, have superhuman reflexes and have all sorts of computer aids due to their armour so they'd be more than capable of hitting a moving target.

What I'm thinking is that a space marine would beat a Spartan in hth combat, since they excel at that (especially with the right gear). They would also win with standard firearms because... Well, a bolter is a rapid fire rocket launcher.

So yeah the only way for a Spartan to stand a chance would be to have some big ass weapons.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

So, how would Samus fare against Captain America? Metroid verse has some ridiculous comic book levels going on.

The shit Samus can do is way beyond Chief and Captain America. Lol. As much as I hate Other M, the dudes in that had a valid reason for not authorizing her weapons loadout. She would have killed them all.

 

[Meteorain]

A Spartan would be tougher than a Tau Firewarrior, non-Marine Chaos, perhaps low ranking daemon-like things, regular Eldar troops and Imperial Guardsmen. Tougher than Kroot, way tougher than those little goblin shits that Orks sometimes have with them. Whether they're tougher than Orks or Tyranids I'm not sure. I have a feeling they would be given the regenerative shielding and armor, at the very least they would be "comparable" in physical resilience. Marines, Chaos Marines and Necrons are the only base units for factions I can think of that should be unambiguously tougher.



Spartans have super reflexes and extremely fast movement too. I can't seem to find solid figures for Spess Mahreen running speeds but at least for the Spartan it's like 50-60 kp/h. As long as the Spartan can bring a big gun with it, I don't see any reason to think that it wouldn't be a good fight that the Spartan could plausibly win.

Orks are as tough as SM, and as time goes on just get tougher and tougher. They may be stupid, but they're beasts. Eldar aren't as tough, they are naturally extremely agile. Again though, the SM only come in to fight when shit hits the fan, and it usually means big meanies are in store.

A Spartan in straight line speed is faster than a Spehss Mareen. SM can run at about 30mph (48kph). In terms of close combat speed a Spartan II vs a normal SM are about evenly matched (when both in armour), with a Spartan having a bit more speed due to lighter amour (maybe?). However a SM is considerably stronger, tankier and has more stamina, and with only a slight speed reduction he would handily kill a Spartan at close range. Not to mention the average marine has 100-200 years of combat experience in conditions far beyond what a Spartan has to deal with.

If you took the great of the Spartans (Master Chief/John) he could probably put up a decent fight against your average marine. However against veteran marines and named SM characters, it really just becomes too unfair.

Use of standard firearms is even more unfairly skewed against a Spartan.

 

[Slayven]

hey i still have the books! lots of good books and characters came out of that.



take that back! Hitman, gunfire, spark whats herface? there were a few good characters came out of that. unless you bought the whole--



see you should have just bought the main book. it's what I did. then pick up the annuals years later for cheap.

I loved that the Daxamite got powers and said fuck you aliens.

Cap and Black Panther to a lesser degree are the Marvel versions of Batman. Don't be surprised.

Batman wishes he was Black panther.

Iron mans armor is not equal nor greater than Mjolnir armor.

Your reasoning?

 

[pants]

Batman > Panther > Cap

 

[Slayven]

Batman > Panther > Cap

how so?

 

[pants]

how so?

I'm not being serious, I'm hassling you. Cap v Batman v Panther is a conversation I'd immediately eject from, it would reach Goku/Superman levels

 

[Meteorain]

I'm not being serious, I'm hassling you. Cap v Batman v Panther is a conversation I'd immediately eject from, it would reach Goku/Superman levels

It form a triangle as they all arm-barred each other.

 

[chickdigger802]

is there a lore reason why MC can't run in the games?

 

[Trey]

No, chickdigger. More accurately, there was no meaningful distinction between Halo's movement speed, and sprinting, as far as the lore was concerned.

In the novel First Strike, set during the destruction of Reach, most of the existing Spartan II's died falling out of the sky while bailing from a falling aircraft. The ones who lived all had really horrible injuries: collapsed lungs, ruptured spleens, broken bones everywhere, blood pressure off the charts, all manner of horrible shit. Their armor was literally the only thing holding most of them together. When they were finally able to get medical attention, none of them bothered to actually rest while they were healing. They are incredibly resilient, but they're not invincible.

That part was epic. Then Will goes on to solo two Hunters bare handed with like a hernia and internal bleeding or some shit.

 

[Sinatar]

is there a lore reason why MC can't run in the games?

Yea MC from the games is definitely not MC from the books.

Video game MC is a slow ponderous dude with no special attributes whatsoever beyond telekinetic tank flipping I suppose.

 

[Trey]

Yea MC from the games is definitely not MC from the books.

Video game MC is a slow ponderous dude with no special attributes whatsoever beyond telekinetic tank flipping I suppose.

Dude also has instantaneous traveling bullets.

 

[Toxi]

Yea MC from the games is definitely not MC from the books.

Video game MC is a slow ponderous dude with no special attributes whatsoever beyond telekinetic tank flipping I suppose.

And then you give him glitches.

 

[User 73706]

is there a lore reason why MC can't run in the games?

He can sprint in Halo 4. A quick justification for the old games not having it is that Chief was already "running," the difference is that he was reservedly keeping his weapon up and doing most of the work with his feet, just like you'd see troops hastily advancing while keeping weapons hot in an actual military situation. I don't know exact numbers off the top of my head, but you're definitely doing more than walking at peak speed in the original trilogy.

To put it in perspective, Halo 4's base movement speed is actually slower than Halo: Combat Evolved's, but Halo 4's sprinting speed is faster than CE's (and the first default player trait to be faster than CE's movement). The only difference in this case is the animation in first-person.

EDIT: Could Chief sucker punch Cap with bullets? Just BXR and have the melee hit the shield.

 

[Mumei]

So, how would Samus fare against Captain America? Metroid verse has some ridiculous comic book levels going on.

Yep. Unarmored Samus gets stepped on by Kraid (110 tons), and is undamaged.

Edit: Oh, and growing upon on a planet with gravity (iirc) 856 times higher than Earth's because why not.

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure whoever came up with the numbers just pulled large numbers out of their ass without paying any attention to what it actually meant but whatever

 

[Mudcrab]

I assume nobody has ever tried to explain how Logan could avoid starving to death and where he gets energy to regenerate entire body parts, thermodynamically speaking?

Yeah...Logan once avoided starvation by eating strips of his own flesh which continuously regenerated. Figure that one out.

So, how would Samus fare against Captain America? Metroid verse has some ridiculous comic book levels going on.

Absolute curbstomp. Samus could probably wreck some 40k Primarchs with ease.

 

[Leunam]

Samus Aran? Against 40k Primarchs? Doubtful.

 

[killer rin]

Orks are as tough as SM, and as time goes on just get tougher and tougher. They may be stupid, but they're beasts. Eldar aren't as tough, they are naturally extremely agile. Again though, the SM only come in to fight when shit hits the fan, and it usually means big meanies are in store.

A Spartan in straight line speed is faster than a Spehss Mareen. SM can run at about 30mph (48kph). In terms of close combat speed a Spartan II vs a normal SM are about evenly matched (when both in armour), with a Spartan having a bit more speed due to lighter amour (maybe?). However a SM is considerably stronger, tankier and has more stamina, and with only a slight speed reduction he would handily kill a Spartan at close range. Not to mention the average marine has 100-200 years of combat experience in conditions far beyond what a Spartan has to deal with.

If you took the great of the Spartans (Master Chief/John) he could probably put up a decent fight against your average marine. However against veteran marines and named SM characters, it really just becomes too unfair.

Use of standard firearms is even more unfairly skewed against a Spartan.

In one of the Books John managed to kill several 2 ODSTs and wound several others in a single fight in the gym without even trying... when he was unarmored

 

[Leunam]

Are you saying that those ODST's compare to Adeptus Astartes? The 40k equivalent to ODST would be Imperial Guard/Inquisition Storm Troopers.

 

[Mudcrab]

Samus Aran? Against 40k Primarchs? Doubtful.

I used to think this too, but the numbers concerning her curent power levels (which as Mumei said are likely ass pulls) are absolutely insane.

That said it's not like I'm claiming she solos Abaddon or Magnus the Red.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

In one of the Books John managed to kill several 2 ODSTs and wound several others in a single fight in the gym without even trying... when he was unarmored

Yeah. The Spartan IIs have put just about everyone to shame in their universe.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

I used to think this too, but the numbers concerning her curent power levels (which as Mumei said are likely ass pulls) are absolutely insane.

That said it's not like I'm claiming she solos Abaddon or Magnus the Red.

Like, who decided on the number for how fast she runs with and without Speed Booster? Lol. Somebody had to have been reading marvel comics.

"She's fast. Let's make her invincible too."

 

[Meteorain]

In one of the Books John managed to kill several 2 ODSTs and wound several others in a single fight in the gym without even trying... when he was unarmored

Mephiston
While fighting as part of the relief force for Hades Hive during the Second War for Armageddon campaign, Calistarius became a victim of the Red Thirst. After being inducted into the Death Company, he took part in the assault on an Ecclesiarchy building and was one of many trapped inside when the building collapsed during battle. For seven days, Calistarius lay trapped in the rubble, teetering on the edge of death and madness. Somehow, rather than succumbing to the Red Thirst, he managed to conquer it. By sheer strength of will he was able to suppress and hold in check the feelings of rage and the desire for blood, and in doing so he became something more. On the seventh night he burst free of his rocky tomb, reborn as Mephiston, the Lord of Death.

Mephiston's resurrection did not go unwitnessed. By this time Hades lay once more in the hands of the Imperium, but Orks still roamed the ruins. As Mephiston heaved debris aside from his tomb, the sound of tortured stone drew the attention of one band of Orks. Weaponless, and with his armour shredded and mangled, Mephiston must have seemed easy prey, but nothing could have been further from the truth. His gene-seed, dormant these many long years, had awakened and wrought further changes, granting exceptional strength and vigor. Moving with a speed the Orks could not match, Mephiston unleashed a flurry of attacks, every blow pulverizing flesh and shattering bone. Five Orks died in as many seconds, and a dozen more swiftly followed. The greenskins never stood a chance, but they were as stubborn as Mephiston was determined. It was not until the reborn Angel punched clean through the biggest Ork's chest and tore out his heart that the survivors fled. His ruined armour slick with the blood of his foes, Mephiston began the long walk to Imperial lines.

The most basic of Orks can match a Space Marine in power armour for strength, they and born and exist to fight. If Mephiston wanted, he could have fried their brains with his psychic power. Mephiston though is one of the more overpowered SM's out there.

Let's not start on Captain Cortez of the Crimonson Fists and his ridiculous feats. Suffice to say, he killed an Ork Warboss whilst his back was broken and disarmed the Warboss by twisting his torso whilst impaled. Ork Warbosses make SM look puny.

WH40k is built around extreme and insane shit, an incarnation of "my dad can beat your dad". Unfortunately the average SM has far too many years of combat experience and physical capacity on top for the majority of Spartans to compare to.

 

[Thursday War]

No it's science.

i can't tell if you're for or against MC

 

[NobleGundam]

-Last time I checked Tony's Mark 2 survived the airblast/direct hit of a tank shell, albeit a slow one. This vastly supersedes anything Mjolnir has ever accomplished in terms of user survivability.

-Let's also remember that Spartan Grace (?) was killed by a Bruteshot.

-Iron Man can fly at supersonic speeds. Not much more to say here.

-Even if you take the low end interpretations of movie Iron Man and the high end interpretations of Chief, Iron Man will still win since his armor is invulnerable to the basic UNSC kit.

->Iron Man curb-stomps the Master Chief.
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Ultimately, I see this debate coming down whether or not Captain America can take AR or pistol shots, as well as how he uses his super strength against the Chief. Again, this is using the boring book feats, instead of gameplay Chief

It's kinda funny if you think about it. Iron Man's armor was built in our modern time (unless by comic book fiction says otherwise), while Spartan armor is over 500 years ahead haha

Also, this to add into both heros stats: "Gold titanium alloy that it on top of a network of wires and metal and only weights 200lbs. Mjolnir is titanium with padding and energy shielding and weights 700+."

 

[DonasaurusRex]

ONLY 60 tons?

Thunderstrike was basically Thor-lite. Estimated at somewhere between 75 and 100 tons.

ugh we gotta get rid of this ton rating shit, it was for the collectors cards and shit and then in a move to make everyone more cool and vulnerable everyone was rated way weaker than they were in those stupid marvel handbooks. Cause ya know, gotta be like Cable and Wolverine and Slade ya know not quite too powerful ...even if your the fucking Invincible Iron Man.....

 

[Slayven]

It's kinda funny if you think about it. Iron Man's armor was built in our modern time (unless by comic book fiction says otherwise), while Spartan armor is over 500 years ahead haha

Also, this to add into both heros stats: "Gold titanium alloy that it on top of a network of wires and metal and only weights 200lbs. Mjolnir is titanium with padding and energy shielding and weights 700+."

Modern times that has had androids since the 1940s.

ugh we gotta get rid of this ton rating shit, it was for the collectors cards and shit and then in a move to make everyone more cool and vulnerable everyone was rated way weaker than they were in those stupid marvel handbooks. Cause ya know, gotta be like Cable and Wolverine and Slade ya know not quite too powerful ...even if your the fucking Invincible Iron Man.....

Back when I was still in the debating game that tonnage rating made me had to shook a couple of fanboys.

 

[Stinkles]

i can't tell if you're for or against MC

I am just for nerds fighting.