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[AntonDaniel]

that's absolutely horrible...

 

[GillianSeed79]

Thank God.

When I first read the story yesterday, I was mortified at how horrific the whole ordeal sounded. Finding out its not rape is in my opinion, one of the few instances where a horrific news story is not as horrific as first reported.

I hope she gets better and justice served.

She was said to be sexually assaulted. I'm sorry, but christ, people need to realize that “rape” is not generally a legally codified crime. Sexual assault is. For all we know she could have been forced to perform oral sex, sodimized by an object, forcibly subject to non-genital penetration and all the shit that goes along with it. Brushing it off as not “rape-rape” is insulting.

 

[nib95]

She was said to be sexually assaulted. I'm sorry, but christ, people need to realize that “rape” is not generally a legally codified crime. Sexual assault is. For all we know she could have been forced to perform oral sex, sodimized by an object, forcibly subject to non-genital penetration and all the shit that goes along with it. Brushing it off as not “rape-rape” is insulting.

Doubt she'd be in such high spirits if it was any of the above...

 

[GillianSeed79]

Those would all be called "rape".
From what we've heard, she was not raped.

I don't mean to be graphic, but guess what? Say you forcibly stuck an object or appendage into an orifice or forced oral sex on someone, it's generally second-degree sexual assault. But it's not “rape” so I guess it's all good.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Thank God.

When I first read the story yesterday, I was mortified at how horrific the whole ordeal sounded. Finding out its not rape is in my opinion, one of the few instances where a horrific news story is not as horrific as first reported.

How is it not horrific?

And this:

A network source told The Post that her attackers were screaming, "Jew! Jew!" during the assault. And the day before, Logan had told Esquire.com that Egyptian soldiers hassling her and her crew had accused them of "being Israeli spies." Logan is not Jewish.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/intern...ightmare_pXiUVvhwIDdCrbD95ybD5N#ixzz1EC6Y1T2F

 

[Trickster]

How is it not horrific?

And this:

He's not saying that it isn't horrifying at all, just that it's not quite as horrifying as if she had been raped by an angry mob of 200 people for 30 minutes, which honestly, I agree with.

 

[JoeBoy101]

That's not what Ebert did.

Not sure man... I mean, you're basically calling for people not to examine the circumstances in which events occur.

Maybe I'm being over-reactionary it just feels like when something like this happens, you should leave a little bit of time from the incident to when discussing the roots of it. I guess that's unrealistic these days, especially given the internet. It just feels real morbid.

I mean, its not like Ebert doesn't have a point, its just seems like it's a bad time to make it. But that's probably just me.

 

[theignoramus]

An ABC news reporter was just beaten by thugs with clubs (but not badly injured) covering the protests in Bahrain. Seems like a war zone out there for reporters.

 

[Azih]

I lived in the middle east for a long time time and actually alot of people think that way.

So have I. The idea that a woman alone can be 'claimed' does not exist.

Lord, the region is by and large incredibly patronizing towards women, patriarchal, and has many deep seated misogynistic views and females are most definitely not treated as equals to men but damn the hyperbole spouted here is ridiculous. I mean a women alone can be 'claimed'? How the fuck do you explain all the female protestors in Egypt then?

Edit: Women viewed as property? Where the HELL is that coming from?

 

[xbhaskarx]

So some douchebag named Nir Rosen made fun of the assault, then lied and said he didn't know she had been sexually assaulted, even though he retweeted the story.

He also called Logan a warmonger and said he wished the same thing happened to Anderson Cooper...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson...-nir-rosen-over-his-lara-logan-twitter-jokes/

 

[Veidt]

there's so much generalization going about the middle-east here. it boggles the mind.

 

[charsace]

So have I. The idea that a woman alone can be 'claimed' does not exist.

Lord, the region is by and large incredibly patronizing towards women, patriarchal, and has many deep seated misogynistic views and females are most definitely not treated as equals to men but damn the hyperbole spouted here is ridiculous. I mean a women alone can be 'claimed'? How the fuck do you explain all the female protestors in Egypt then?

Edit: Women viewed as property? Where the HELL is that coming from?

Women are viewed as property by men in every society, its just stronger in certain places like the middle east.

 

[Shanadeus]

Women are viewed as property by inhuman degenerates in every society, its just stronger in certain places like the middle east.

Correction.
Only subhuman scum view women as property, no matter strongly or weakly they view them as such.

 

[charsace]

Correction.
Only subhuman scum view women as property, no matter strongly or weakly they view them as such.

No, it isn't only subhuman scum that think of women as property. Just take a look at males in westrern society, the good ones and the bad ones and you will see instances where they treat women like property.

 

[Sebastard]

Havent read the entire thread but I am just curious. A friend of mine claims on facebook that her nipple was ripped off and the mob pissed on her.

Has there been any sources writing about this or is it just humbug?

 

[Shanadeus]

No, it isn't only subhuman scum that think of women as property. Just take a look at males in westrern society, the good ones and the bad ones and you will see instances where they treat women like property.

I am aware of that.
I'm calling them subhuman scum.

Excuse me for having high standards for what constitute good human behaviour and world-view.

 

[-viper-]

He has some company in his obnoxiousness.

“So sad, too bad, Lara. No one told her to go there. She knew the risks. And she should have known what Islam is all about. Now she knows. Or so we’d hope. But in the case of the media vis-a-vis Islam, that’s a hope that’s generally unanswered.
This never happened to her or any other mainstream media reporter when Mubarak was allowed to treat his country of savages in the only way they can be controlled.
Now that’s all gone. How fitting that Lara Logan was ‘liberated’ by Muslims in Liberation Square while she was gushing over the other part of the ‘liberation.’ ”


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/33031/how-muslims-celebrate-victory-egypts-peaceful-moderate-democratic-protesters/

smh @ at that link. she sounds like a crazy bitch. it's almost as if she is glad that lara received sexual abuse by them 'muslims' as it only supports her cause!

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2750/barack-hussein-obama-once-a-muslim-always-a-muslim/

BARACK OBAMA TEH MOOSLEM!

 

[CrunchyFrog]

I did a search, couldn't find anything. This is terrible.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-reporter-lara-logan-raped-and-beaten-in-egypt-cbs-20110216-1avjj.html

.

 

[FStop7]

Interesting side note - Lara Logan is the same person who was involved in the fracas in Baghdad where a Blackwater contractor (who was running some kind of unlicensed bar) got into a brawl with a CNN reporter because they were both hooking up with her. While she was married to someone else. And the Blackwater guy was married, too.

There is weird shit going on over there.

 

[Igo]

Interesting side note - Lara Logan is the same person who was involved in the fracas in Baghdad where a Blackwater contractor (who was running some kind of unlicensed bar) got into a brawl with a CNN reporter because they were both hooking up with her. While she was married to someone else. And the Blackwater guy was married, too.

There is weird shit going on over there.

She's also the woman who said the press shouldn't 'blindside' the military or something equally ridiculous regarding that Rolling Stone article.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Has anyone reported on what specifically happened to her yet?

 

[RustyNails]

Has anyone reported on what specifically happened to her yet?

You were asking for it!

 

[Tom_Cody]

You were asking for it!

Now I feel horrible for laughing...

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

She's also the woman who said the press shouldn't 'blindside' the military or something equally ridiculous regarding that Rolling Stone article.

Oh, then she totally had rape coming.

 

[Igo]

Spoiler

Oh,

then she

Spoiler

totally

had rape coming.

Not sure that was worth the effort.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Not sure that was worth the effort.

Its Friday, I think I'm allowed some kneejerk, overdramatic outrage.

 

[Karram]

So have I. The idea that a woman alone can be 'claimed' does not exist.

Lord, the region is by and large incredibly patronizing towards women, patriarchal, and has many deep seated misogynistic views and females are most definitely not treated as equals to men but damn the hyperbole spouted here is ridiculous. I mean a women alone can be 'claimed'? How the fuck do you explain all the female protestors in Egypt then?

Edit: Women viewed as property? Where the HELL is that coming from?

I never said that women can be claimed. I said that they are treated like a property and doesn't even have half the right the men have.

 

[Dan Yo]

It's a terrible ordeal, but one has to question what heck she was even doing there in the first place. That is no place for a woman, much less an attractive Western woman wearing Western clothes rather than the veil and long garbs that people there are used to seeing women in.

It's not even necessarily an issue of sexism. It's that there really are some circumstances where a woman really should be aware of the risks involved and not put herself in such a situation. Her boss should have known better too.

I understand a lot of these women take the risks because they are eager to prove themselves competent among the men in the profession, but on some level it needs to be understood that men and women are just plain different in many ways. Women cannot, and should not always be placed in the same situations you would place a man in.

Part of the problem is also that most of the women in reporting and journalism are chosen based on their attractiveness level rather than who is the most qualified. Then thrown out there in the wild because good-looking women make better ratings.

 

[Devolution]

It's a terrible ordeal, but one has to question what heck she was even doing there in the first place. That is no place for a woman, much less an attractive Western woman wearing Western clothes rather than the veil and long garbs that people there are used to seeing women in.

It's not even necessarily an issue of sexism. It's that there really are some circumstances where a woman really should be aware of the risks involved and not put herself in such a situation. Her boss should have known better too.

I understand a lot of these women take the risks because they are eager to prove themselves competent among the men in the profession, but on some level it needs to be understood that men and women are just plain different in many ways. Women cannot, and should not always be placed in the same situations you would place a man in.

Part of the problem is also that most of the women in reporting and journalism are chosen based on their attractiveness level rather than who is the most qualified. Then thrown out there in the wild because good-looking women make better ratings.

Hurp. Durp.

Why do women like, do their jobs? Gosh.

 

[SapientWolf]

So have I. The idea that a woman alone can be 'claimed' does not exist.

Lord, the region is by and large incredibly patronizing towards women, patriarchal, and has many deep seated misogynistic views and females are most definitely not treated as equals to men but damn the hyperbole spouted here is ridiculous. I mean a women alone can be 'claimed'? How the fuck do you explain all the female protestors in Egypt then?

Edit: Women viewed as property? Where the HELL is that coming from?

That is basically the definition of a rape culture.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It's a terrible ordeal, but one has to question what heck she was even doing there in the first place. That is no place for a woman, much less an attractive Western woman wearing Western clothes rather than the veil and long garbs that people there are used to seeing women in.

It's not even necessarily an issue of sexism. It's that there really are some circumstances where a woman really should be aware of the risks involved and not put herself in such a situation. Her boss should have known better too.

I understand a lot of these women take the risks because they are eager to prove themselves competent among the men in the profession, but on some level it needs to be understood that men and women are just plain different in many ways. Women cannot, and should not always be placed in the same situations you would place a man in.

Part of the problem is also that most of the women in reporting and journalism are chosen based on their attractiveness level rather than who is the most qualified. Then thrown out there in the wild because good-looking women make better ratings.

Preeeeeeeetty sure Egyptians are used to seeing Western Women dressed in Western clothes... in Egypt.

 

[Kreed]

It's a terrible ordeal, but one has to question what heck she was even doing there in the first place. That is no place for a woman, much less an attractive Western woman wearing Western clothes rather than the veil and long garbs that people there are used to seeing women in.

It's not even necessarily an issue of sexism. It's that there really are some circumstances where a woman really should be aware of the risks involved and not put herself in such a situation. Her boss should have known better too.

I understand a lot of these women take the risks because they are eager to prove themselves competent among the men in the profession, but on some level it needs to be understood that men and women are just plain different in many ways. Women cannot, and should not always be placed in the same situations you would place a man in.

Part of the problem is also that most of the women in reporting and journalism are chosen based on their attractiveness level rather than who is the most qualified. Then thrown out there in the wild because good-looking women make better ratings.

For a second I thought this was a joke post in response to the "Avoid sexual assault by not dressing like a "slut"" thread. But then I realized you were serious. I'm going to keep pretending this is a joke post because it's funnier that way.

 

[Karram]

It's a terrible ordeal, but one has to question what heck she was even doing there in the first place. That is no place for a woman, much less an attractive Western woman wearing Western clothes rather than the veil and long garbs that people there are used to seeing women in.

It's not even necessarily an issue of sexism. It's that there really are some circumstances where a woman really should be aware of the risks involved and not put herself in such a situation. Her boss should have known better too.

I understand a lot of these women take the risks because they are eager to prove themselves competent among the men in the profession, but on some level it needs to be understood that men and women are just plain different in many ways. Women cannot, and should not always be placed in the same situations you would place a man in.

Part of the problem is also that most of the women in reporting and journalism are chosen based on their attractiveness level rather than who is the most qualified. Then thrown out there in the wild because good-looking women make better ratings.

Nailed it.

 

[Cereal KiIIer]

The Toronto cop was right. You dress like a slut, you get rapped.

 

[xbhaskarx]

What the hell is going on in here

 

[Your Excellency]

NSFW

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-reveals-new-details-sex-assault-Egypt.html


Christ. What a shithole.

 

[Mike Works]

I was JUST about to start writing something comedic and I just HAD to check GAF one more time before I started and just HAD to click on this damn thread and its damn update. God damnit.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

I was JUST about to start writing something comedic and I just HAD to check GAF one more time before I started and just HAD to click on this damn thread and its damn update. God damnit.

That one's been circulating a while though. The 60 Minutes interview was from months ago.

 

[Skilotonn]

Terrible.

This woman has guts. Gotta give her that. Not just to tell her story, but to get right back to doing what she feels is her calling. Not just saying that because she's a woman neither.

 

[YoungHav]

Amazing to me that these networks shit money yet they can't give their reporters armed security during war.

 

[DY_nasty]

Amazing to me that these networks shit money yet they can't give their reporters armed security during war.

You can't just attach an armed security unit to a reporting team. You're creating way more problems then you're solving.

 

[X26]

Again!?

 

[ChanHuk]

Amazing to me that these networks shit money yet they can't give their reporters armed security during war.

I'm sure they're assigned security, at least the BBC gives the Top Gear crew security when they go into dangerous areas.