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CeeLo: It's only rape if the victim remembers

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Yeah, but what does the other CeeLo Green think of the issue?
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Unsurprising; he's been a creep in public for a good while, as this thread illustrates. Anyway, I hope we can say the same about Cee-Lo Green's career before too long.
 
haha wtf cee-lo?

I mean, I know what he's trying to say, but fuck, with dumbass logic, he can't even say it right.

edit: no, actually I don't know what the fuck Cee-lo Green is trying to say. Come on dude, I rooted for you. wth?
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
I think a lot of you should read his tweet, replacing "WITH" with "consent" and see you actually agree with him...

Unless I'm interpreting the statement completely wrong

And also just in regard to that tweet. The remember one is pure nonsense
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I kind of agree with your assessment. The tweets were extremely poorly worded and it's possible he wasn't actually advocating for rape.
 
I'm confused here... he was accused of rape and he used the fact that his accuser didn't remember being raped as his defense. I read the article and it sounds like the women filed charges a year later and the account in the article stated that she woke up in his bed naked. I guess my assumption is she remembered she didn't consent well after the incident or is it that she was confident enough after a year to finally draw the parallel that she must have been raped if she was naked. Not to be vulgar but were there fluids or sourness she experienced or observed when she woke up the day of the alleged attack? It seems weird that the article would only mention she was naked. Is hard to establish if the memory loss from happened from events before or after the drug use? Is it possible to forget consent after given it? I don't know the answer to these questions.

Ultimately, are we angry here because this argument he used for his defense was reprehensible or because we think he was guilty?

EDIT: I have no idea who Ceelo is.
 
riotous said:
The only implication is he believes that all raped women remember their rape. That's what the words he typed mean.
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I dunno man that he is going on about what doesn't and does 'imply' consent is a bit damning, confusing as his syntax is he is acting like there's a certain entitlement to sex based on some unspecified level of relationship, as if things like date/marital rape aren't real.
 
I suppose he just watched Total Recall and now contemplates how we're defined by memories.

or he's crazy
 
Reminds me of an interesting philosophical question I have from watching SVU...


Anyways, Cee-Lo seems like he's backpedaling hard. Initial statement was silly to begin with, though.
 
His "remember" tweet is in bad taste and incorrect, but given the circumstances of his particular case I assume his point of view was essentially, "How can the victim bring charges of rape against me if she doesn't actually recall being raped and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise?" Basically, what exactly lead her to the conclusion that she was raped?

I don't know the details of the case but that's what I got from all this based off of the "insufficient evidence" aspect of the article. His other tweets imply that he does consider sex with someone unconscious as rape.
 
Xilium said:
His "remember" tweet is in bad taste and incorrect, but given the circumstances of his particular case I assume his point of view was essentially, "How can the victim bring charges of rape against me if she doesn't actually recall being raped and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise?" Basically, what exactly lead her to the conclusion that she was raped?
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I can understand the logic behind it, but it comes off to me like the R Kelly defense that just incriminates him as well as showing people why we should take rape accusations seriously because it is so hard to prove, not despite it.
 
First of all Cee-Lo is a stupid and ignorant asshole , Second his music hasn't been good since he was with Goodie Mob , particularly the "Still Standing" Album.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I can understand the logic behind it, but it comes off to me like the R Kelly defense that just incriminates him as well as showing people why we should take rape accusations seriously because it is so hard to prove, not despite it.
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I'm not sure that's a fair concern if its based on the idea that "no conviction" means "not taking it seriously." I agree that its a subject still not given proper attention by society. It sort of like racism in that people want to avoid the topic altogether and only discuss it if they or someone they're invested in is accused of it then it becomes ugly. I do think that it should be talked about openly and this case in particular... not from the perspectives of taking sides but from that of context. Rape is already a hard enough crime to report given the short-comings of society and culture and even our legal system but we can't mitigate those problems by giving alleged victims inscrutable benefit of a doubt. If this is a criminal case, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution correct?
 
Hmm, now every time that really great American Dad episode comes on where he does the voice for the hot tub I'll have to think about this :/
 
backslashbunny said:
Haha yeah...



If there's no evidence to suggest otherwise, then yeah maybe.

dunno. It would be odd if I woke up one day in my bed, nothing different, nothing the night before that was different (a normal night of LoL alone in my room, sober), and then claimed I was raped by Eminem.

But, if I was partying with a person, got really drunk/high with them, and then woke up the next day with my clothing off and feeling a little "odd," it seems more possible that maybe something happened. A rape test at a hospital can easily determine if I had sex, right?

That would be "evidence" that MAYBE something happened, and I think that's enough to look into. Not enough to charge someone, but definitely "evidence" in the sense that it's reasonable to ask the question"was I raped?"
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This kind of goes back to the point of if two people are inebriated in some fashion and end up having sex and one doesn't remember the next day, does that make it rape? I've been on drugs and had sex but never not remembered the next day so I don't know exactly how I would feel about the situation, especially if it involved someone I wasn't intimate with in the past.
 
Kozak said:
I can't believe anyone could think they're right when these sort of words come out of their mouth.
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Well, what is he actually saying first? What post was he replying to?

People are assuming he meant rape is not possible unless the person remembers, which obviously would be a ridiculously absurd statement. However, if the victim doesn't actually remember being raped, it is a difficult case to put forward that they have been raped. That could be what he is saying. And that doesn't necessarily mean it is an admission of guilt, just discussion of the actual court case.

There is no context. It is just an assumption of what this ambiguous statement means.
 
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