Ritzboof
Member
The Cemu Patreon is now over $25000
im honestly surprised it didnt hit 30k a while ago, at the pace it was going. still a shitton of money
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Cemu Thread: Emulating Wii U Games
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im honestly surprised it didnt hit 30k a while ago, at the pace it was going. still a shitton of money
Will probably hit 30k and then some, when the new update releases.
Doesn't happen with AMD's driver though.
Anybody having trouble with Smash on 1.7.3d? I remember being able to play with other versions and now everytime I open the file I get this:
Crashlog for CEMU 1.7.3d
Date: 28-03-2017 21:35:12
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Stack trace
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0x0000000000000000 (+0x0000000000000000) Cemu.exe
0x0000000000000000 (+0x0000000000000000) Cemu.exe
0x00007ff92a48dc10 (+0x00007ff92a48dc10) Cemu.exe RtlNormalizeString
0x00007ff92a4391a0 (+0x00007ff92a4391a0) Cemu.exe RtlLookupFunctionEntry
0x00007ff92a4c90e0 (+0x00007ff92a4c90e0) Cemu.exe KiUserExceptionDispatcher
0x00007ff92a4c90e0 (+0x00007ff92a4c90e0) Cemu.exe KiUserExceptionDispatcher
0x00007ff92a4c90e0 (+0x00007ff92a4c90e0) Cemu.exe KiUserExceptionDispatcher
0x00007ff926c96420 (+0x00007ff926c96420) Cemu.exe GetOsSafeBootMode
Exception 0xc0000005 at 0x7ff6bcc6a2ad(+0xaa2ad) in module Cemu.exe
cemu.exe at 0x7ff6bcbc0000
RAX=000000008c7c0000 RBX=0000000081450000 RCX=0000000000000006 RDX=0000000033410000
RSP=000000002eeffa20 RBP=0000000000000000 RDI=00000000a0630006 RSI=0000000081450000
R8 =0000000000000003 R9 =0000000000000000 R10=00000000e9cfa020 R11=00000000bfe7f230
R12=0000000000000000 R13=0000000000000000 R14=0000000000000000 R15=0000000000000000
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Game info
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Game: Super Smash Bros. [US]
TitleId: 5000010144f00
RPXHash: df40dcd0
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Active PPC instance
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IP 0x026ee8ec LR 0x0233e230 Thread 0x50e24e60
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PPC threads
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50e24e60 Ent 00e20448 IP 0233e7c8 LR c8e73302 RUNNING Aff 010 Pri 80 Name NULL
119ecc00 Ent 023fcf0c IP 022ddd64 LR 64dd2d02 SUSPENDED Aff 100 Pri 65 Name ResourceSystem:Reading
119ed300 Ent 023fcf0c IP 022ddd64 LR 64dd2d02 SUSPENDED Aff 001 Pri 65 Name ResourceSystem:Reading
119eda00 Ent 023fcf0c IP 022de708 LR 08e72d02 SUSPENDED Aff 100 Pri 93 Name ResourceSystemividing
119ee100 Ent 023fcf0c IP 022de708 LR 08e72d02 SUSPENDED Aff 001 Pri 93 Name ResourceSystem
119ee840 Ent 023fcf0c IP 023fc9d0 LR d0c93f02 WAITING Aff 001 Pri 93 Name ResourceSystem:CheckModified
119eef80 Ent 023fcf0c IP 022dc3f0 LR f0c32d02 SUSPENDED Aff 001 Pri 93 Name ResourceSystem:Compaction
119f7240 Ent 03ae1bec IP 00e20484 LR f84e6d02 SUSPENDED Aff 100 Pri 79 Name NU::CommandManager
jim2point0
Banned
Running with the 16,500 shader cache. Using the "hack." Set the options in my Nvidia control panel.
Have a 3770k @ 4.5 GHz and a 980TI.
Only managing 20-27 FPS on average. Only seems to hit 30 for brief moments when it's zooming in on something or I'm indoors looking at the floor.
Not sure what else I can do really. Definitely not getting anywhere near that locked 30 FPS some people are reporting
Have a 3770k @ 4.5 GHz and a 980TI.
Only managing 20-27 FPS on average. Only seems to hit 30 for brief moments when it's zooming in on something or I'm indoors looking at the floor.
Not sure what else I can do really. Definitely not getting anywhere near that locked 30 FPS some people are reporting
Unknown Soldier
Member
Aren't the people claiming locked 30 fps running 6700K and 7700K at 4.5+ ghz? There's a pretty substantial single-thread IPC difference there.
I'm not looking to derail this thread again but PC Gamer wrote an article on ethics in emulation that largely deals with Cemu and it actually features some worthwhile information and perspectives. It might be worth a read if you are interested in the topic.
Use the hack add-on: http://sshnuke.net/cemuhook/Not sure what else I can do really. Definitely not getting anywhere near that locked 30 FPS some people are reporting
It's just a simple DLL you place in the top Cemu folder and then a new graphics option will be available.
It doubles performance and adds .MP4 cutscene playback.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
woa! WOA!!! Getting 5-10 fps gains with this, super simple.
jim2point0
Banned
Like I said in my post, I'm already using that
Like I said in my post, I'm already using that
Yeah, your CPU is probably the limiting factor. I'd imagine most people reporting those values are running processors which have IPC advantages, on top of whatever overclocks they apply.
LelouchZero
Member
Running with the 16,500 shader cache. Using the "hack." Set the options in my Nvidia control panel.
Have a 3770k @ 4.5 GHz and a 980TI.
Only managing 20-27 FPS on average. Only seems to hit 30 for brief moments when it's zooming in on something or I'm indoors looking at the floor.
Not sure what else I can do really. Definitely not getting anywhere near that locked 30 FPS some people are reporting
Emulators received significant speed improvements on Haswell over Ivy, with emulators running around 20-30% faster at the same clock speeds.
DavidSwifty
Banned
Will I have to upgrade anything to use cemu?
i5 4690k / R9 390
i5 4690k / R9 390
jim2point0
Banned
Uuuuugh. Other games are of course running fine. Mario Kart 8 at 4K 60 FPS no problem. I didn't think BotW would be all that demanding to be honest.
Yeah, it's an interesting case as it's one of the few likely "real world" effects of the significantly improved branch prediction in Haswell.
LucidMomentum
Member
What is IPC? I have a 2500K OC @ 4,4, so newer Intels have an advantage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycle
IPC is what is steadily being improved in CPU development. The higher the frequency and the higher the IPC the better. If frequency is the same the chip with higher IPC is still faster. IPC is especially important for single thread performance as that can often be a bottleneck, while multithreaded applications don't depend as much on maximal possible speed + IPC. This is why for gaming 7700K is currently preferred even though there are plenty better chips with more cores available. Emulators usually depend on this single thread performance.
Thank you for the link, does that mean I get 100% more performance with a skylake chip as long as it has the same Ghz (looking at that table right now)?
BTW we have multicore CPU's for a long time, why is multithread performance still shit in many applications?
No, that wikipedia table doesn't replace actual benchmarks, the actual improvement is more gradual that that. ^^
As for application support, multithreading is hard and not every workload can easily be split up to profit from it. Emulators are a good example, a big part of emulation is getting the timing between all involved hardware parts just right for game software to work as intended. This is way easier to achieve with a single thread where you don't need to care about timing between different threads on the top of it, which would multiply the complexity some more.
Hmm, why is it not possible make the hardware do the job splitting?
When I was originally building my Mini ITX machine, I hadn't realized I bought a motherboard that doesn't overclock. Additionally, I've only got a 450w power supply. I'm having real strong considerations about buying a MB that overclocks + a new PSU to make sure my PC can workhorse its way through Zelda.
i7 7600K feels kneecapped at 4.0GHz knowing how much of a performance boost I could probably get with an OC.
Why you gotta be such a good game Zelda?
i7 7600K feels kneecapped at 4.0GHz knowing how much of a performance boost I could probably get with an OC.
Why you gotta be such a good game Zelda?
stan423321
Member
Partially because of information loss during "baking" the program for the processor, but mostly because it's in general a pretty hard problem that more often than expected has a solution of "impossible". Competent programmers would already do it manually before hardware would verify what's going on.
You won't boil a small bowl of spaghetti faster in multiple kettles.
LelouchZero
Member
It's amazing that the incredibly skilled developers of RPCS3 are creating an emulator that takes advantage of many threads.
I don't even, what is this wizardy?
Hmm makes sense. In the end more cores are still good if every core gets uses by one program.
There has been research into making compilers automatically creating multithreaded code to different degrees of success:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_parallelization
CPU's doing that work in real time is even harder since while compilers know the full scope of an application CPU's essentially know only what's in their cache at any given moment. And interdependency resolution is hard in any case.
There also has been research into improving single thread performance by letting multiple cores work on it at once called "Core Fusion Reconfigurable Multicore Architecture" (research paper PDF) but I don't know whether and how much current CPU designs try to make use of that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't emulators the one application that usually take the most advantage of new processor archictectures and instruction features? I feel like you are always better off with a new chip when it comes to emulators.
stan423321
Member
I don't know RPCS3 implementation details but PS3 is in theory a great system for multithreaded emulation. Runs a real "dev annoying" OS already, gives games access to one in-order PowerPC core with two logical threads (unless one is for the OS) and six SPEs with three logical threads each that are designed to not interfere with each other too much, yet are somewhat inadequate to be emulated on GPU...
I honestly don't think there was anything like it before, multiple processors happened in various arcade machines and crazy nineties designs in theory but in practice these tend to have various parts potentially interacting with each other all the time which makes them sound way saner to be implemented on something like an FPGA than a regular CPU - well, maybe a specialized chip to handle emulation of old systems, heh. Cell's general design was not exclusively oriented towards games which as far as I know constrained code insanity somewhat.
They kind of have to. They're emulating a PS3 and thus would assign computation of each SPU to a thread. Of course a x86 core is far more capable than an SPU (maybe, it would be interesting to compare SIMD performance), but PS3 games were obviously optimized for robust parallelization.
FPGAs aren't really designed for large volume products though, which was what the Cell was trying to straddle, wasteful too on power and die area. Nor at the time, could they hit such high frequencies as the Cell. Ultimately that put the Cell in a no-man's land as fully programmable GPUs could do a lot of the heavy lifting and much more efficiently.
jim2point0
Banned
Soooo... 7700K seems like the best all-around choice these days? I haven't really followed them since I bought my current. I just thought that each gen after was a TINY upgrade at best.
Interesting, I'll have to try that. I saw someone post something on reddit a while back but I didn't take it seriously as any kind of fix.
Chinbo37
Member
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Can I play my Bayo 2 without beeping yet?
nope, I'll try when 1.7.2 is public and comment, but i guess the main focus from now on is only zelda
I don't actually know how much overclocking will increase watt usage (I assumed it does. Not terribly versed in this avenue.) but currently, my max draw is 417w according to PCpartpicker so I figured I was riding close to the line.
yeah, sort of. We're getting to the point where 6 core+ are entering into the mainstream, currently with Ryzen and soon Cannonlake. So it depends on what you want, though that 7700k should should be the best CPU for Cemu for a while. I don't know about other emulators (as noted above RPCS3 seems to like cores).
Chezzymann
Member
Is it possible to mod CEMU games? It would be fucking awesome if people started making custom shrines ala the portal level editor.
Yeah sure. Just a matter of people being interested enough to RE all the stuff required for custom shrines.
I've yet to see even the simplest actual mod for BOTW though.
More or less, yeah. I think skin mods for Smash Bros for example work just fine. As for BOTW, I think people have been looking into it. Seems like it requires a crapload of unpacking and packing game files many many times, but it is theorically possible. At the very least, we should see some basic texture mods popping up.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Thanks for the compilation!
It seems i have to still wait to play bayo2, those pitch noises are a no go for me, I can take some visual glitches, but the sound is important IMO for this game =p.
MapleTree. It will automatically create the correct folder structure and also allows you to download the patch straight from Nintendos CDN (which it will then decrypt so Cemu can use it). I think it doesn't remove the encrypted update files though, so you'll have to do that manually to save some space. https://github.com/Tsume/Maple-Tree/
This worked really nicely for updating BotW.