So... they legally copyrighted "the reaction video"? :/
Youtube is a monopoly at this point. There's other small video upload sites, but nothing as massive. Japan has Nico Nico (and I hate their system...) etc. Will take a while for competition.
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"Channel Awesome" has their Youtube account restricted
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So... they legally copyrighted "the reaction video"? :/
Youtube is a monopoly at this point. There's other small video upload sites, but nothing as massive. Japan has Nico Nico (and I hate their system...) etc. Will take a while for competition.
Of course youtube is putting all that ad revenue in a holding account to repay the channel should they successfully appeal against the restrictions?
YouTube shoots first and asks questions later because ultimately they are more scared of all the old traditional companies who hate/don't understand them, and so they would rather risk marginalizing their content creators rather than risking lawsuits from aforementioned companies.
A Link to the Past
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YouTube is too big.
crazyrabbits
Banned
Sad to say, but they're beholden to big business instead of small creators. Unless you're doing Minecraft videos, it's a safe bet that something you publish is going to get flagged and/or removed.
Hell, I had a video on my channel (a crappy student project from when I was in college) that used 20 seconds of Eye of the Tiger, and was blocked in most countries around the world for years until the blocks all got randomly removed one day.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I put a video on YouTube a few weeks ago. It was a lecture about natural resources and economic growth given to a US military college. The lecture is about 5 years old. I am authorized by the copyright holder to add the video (it is added to a channel with his name, and his name is in the title). The video had 1 view, me.
About 3 hours later, I get an email saying that user reports flagged the video as having offensive content and YouTube staff had manually verified that it was in violation of the rules, the video was removed, and my account is restricted from uploading videos larger than 10 minutes.
I appealed pretty rudely, to be honest. The next day the video was reinstated, still with 1 view. I have no idea what rule I broke, how someone reported the video without viewing it, and why it was reinstated.
About 3 hours later, I get an email saying that user reports flagged the video as having offensive content and YouTube staff had manually verified that it was in violation of the rules, the video was removed, and my account is restricted from uploading videos larger than 10 minutes.
I appealed pretty rudely, to be honest. The next day the video was reinstated, still with 1 view. I have no idea what rule I broke, how someone reported the video without viewing it, and why it was reinstated.
Trojita
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Sounds like there are just reporter trolls.
Like that one dude that does the anime reviews someone posted in this thread doesn't even show the anime on the channel. It's just him talking apparently.
the_log_ride
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What was the dispute over?
Critic jumped the shark ages ago anyway. I'm only subscribed to League of Super Critics because Lindsay is like the only one who still uploads on that channel for whatever reason and she's the only really smart, funny, insightful person in that entire collective.
But yes, this is stupid. C'mon Ghibli, you're supposed to be cool.
Oh, and the Fine Bros are fucking douche cunts.
But yes, this is stupid. C'mon Ghibli, you're supposed to be cool.
Oh, and the Fine Bros are fucking douche cunts.
-shadow-
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The closure of Blip is absolutely terrible, not just because of Channel Awesome but a lot of content has moved to YouTube has been through trouble in one way or another. Google really needs to restructure the whole thing from the ground up because this really can't work like this.
I've been talking with a good friend of mine about how much Doug (and the entire channel/site for that matter) has changed for the absolute worst.
CyclopsRock
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I imagine it's more because they can't possibly investigate all the claims, yet the vast majority of the claims are reasonable and legitimate. So occurrences like this one are the exception.
People talking about a monopoly are right, but these people always have the option to host the videos themselves. Obviously they've deemed that the benefits of hosting on YouTube - free, built in ad service, subscriptions, "related video" links etc - are better than the drawbacks of doing so. It's a shame YouTube isn't perfect but these content creators are only there because, actually, what it offers them is so amazing.
What does have to do with the thread?
Pfft, Fine Bros can get bent if they think they own the copyright on reaction videos.
When someone can match google deep pockets, video hosting isn't cheap.
Uzumaki Goku
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As someone who is just starting to get his own videos started... this is scary to me.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Care to elaborate? I know the site's not the same as it was in its golden age (2009-2011 I'd say)
As far as I know, YouTube is splitting from Google soon.
From what I have heard a lot of the the old contributes left the site.
Are you sure that you aren't mistake it with Google+, which still hasn't been split yet, as this is the first that I have heard of this.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Google, it's 2016, people making a living off of video reviews has been a thing for nearly a decade. Get your shit together.
At least Todd uploads some of his videos to Vimeo.
At least Todd uploads some of his videos to Vimeo.
He uploaded Yakuza 5 gameplay videos doing a Let's Play thing. Got auto-flagged. Got the OK from Sega to post em, YT won't give him monetization back.
Uzumaki Goku
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They did.... it seems like it all started when Spoony had his big breakdown in 2012.
Speaking of Fine Bros, here's Cr1TiKaL taking a huge dump on them and their autofellatious video
Gunstarheroes
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This is why everyone is flocking to Patreon, and this is why every content creator wants something to replace Youtube. This right here.
The Broken Ska Record
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Isn't Channel Awesome under Maker who Disney owns? Wouldn't they have a venue to contact YT?
-shadow-
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A couple of years ago most of the old contributors have left for various reasons and many fights have happened behind the scenes. I was a huge fan of pretty much every single one of them and seeing how mishandled the channel became is something you never want to see happen.
You should check if you can find Allison (Obscurus Lupa) tumblr post about why she and a couple of others left. The entire situation is an absolute mess. While not all left because of similar reasons, Welshy and JO for example left sue to personal reasons, most did and it was a really nasty happening altogether.
Though this is really offtopic.
Here's IHateEverything's thoughts on YouTube's bullshit
I'm surprised there are still content creators that aren't using Patreon. I remember Angry Joe throwing hissy fits over Nintendo Content ID (not removing his video, just making money) and I thought "If he had Patreon, he could take the Nintendo hit".
I'm surprised there are still content creators that aren't using Patreon. I remember Angry Joe throwing hissy fits over Nintendo Content ID (not removing his video, just making money) and I thought "If he had Patreon, he could take the Nintendo hit".
Frozenprince
Banned
Jesus he's almost crying.
Feel awful for the poor kid. I hope he doesn't give up and can work on finding alternatives.
Likely somebody else can clarify/expand on this but as far as I understand it's a reason why a lot of people are using patreon now, that way they can avoid monetizing the videos and thus avoiding getting a claim.
I love Cr1TiKaL so much.
Frozenprince
Banned
Yep. One of the few channels I frequent (http://www.rageselect.com/ *plug here*) has had a Patreon for the entirety of it's existence because they got burned by previous employers and youtube. And it keeps the channel up and allows Jeff to buy as much Whiskey and horrible, horrible food as his heart desires.
If you're a modern content creator you should never rely on anything other than a system like Patreon to monetize yourself.
YouTube and all Google advertising ventures exist and can partly pay so well because they are trusted by the people who pay he bills (the advertisers.).
I've always assumed that was a big part of the strictness; it's similar to why Amazon favors buyers over sellers. If they immediately sided with sellers over grievances people would stop buying from the Amazon storefront. If Google aides with content providers advertisers might stop buying space from them.
it makes sense to me. If they could strike a better balance that would be awesome but I have no clue how the people buying ad space feel about that. If Google was more of a wrist slapper would companies still be willing to pay the same amount for space/clicks/impressions?
Beyond that running an extensive appeals system where lots of subjectivity has to occur would be... well... expensive. Which again lowers what Google can pay.
I've always assumed that was a big part of the strictness; it's similar to why Amazon favors buyers over sellers. If they immediately sided with sellers over grievances people would stop buying from the Amazon storefront. If Google aides with content providers advertisers might stop buying space from them.
it makes sense to me. If they could strike a better balance that would be awesome but I have no clue how the people buying ad space feel about that. If Google was more of a wrist slapper would companies still be willing to pay the same amount for space/clicks/impressions?
Beyond that running an extensive appeals system where lots of subjectivity has to occur would be... well... expensive. Which again lowers what Google can pay.
Honestly, it's stuff like this which makes me entertain Patreon as a possibility more and more, in spite of the fact that i'm sure people would level the (completely ridiculous) accusations of being on welfare or the like which stems from a misunderstanding of Patreon as a platform for creators and YouTube comments are enough a headache as is. That said, AJ has mentioned that he kept his account the way it was to see just how awful YouTube can be for smaller channels i.e. this stuff happens to small channels who lack the resources that he and other large channels do, namely a large enough voice to get YouTube to cut the nonsense like IHE recently did or YMS did a few years back.
Hear hear. Brad's the MAN.
I had to try and help after seeing that video
. Made a tweet so hopefully that helps spread the word about his situation. YouTube is going crazy with the take-downs and channel closings lately, so hopefully this stuff gets resolved soon. I wonder if people can go to another platform. Facebook is having some video service in the future, right? Maybe high-profile and popular YouTube Content Creators (BrainScratchComms, Channel Awsome, Chibi Reviews, ect) can migrate on to that platform if they continue to face problems/there issues aren't resolved soon.
If these issues with YouTube keep popping up, then Facebook could say "We offer the ability to monetize content" and then BAM, many content creators jump ship to Facebook and YouTube only has select content creators that either don't mind YouTube's system & aren't attacked or people officially backed by YouTube offering content to the site.
I'd cry too if I got a copyright strike and restrictions for videos of myself in my room talking about things.
bodyboarder
Member
More like too hard to replicate, due to bandwidth and legal issues.
Holy fuck
Time for Channel Awesome (that name, oy) to stop posting to YouTube? Wherever you post this type of material the legal pressure will follow, though.
I always felt like a lot of the Nostalgia Critic's stuff pushed it when it came to how much copywritten material he reconstitutes into $$$ for himself. I haven't watched his material in many years though.
I always felt like a lot of the Nostalgia Critic's stuff pushed it when it came to how much copywritten material he reconstitutes into $$$ for himself. I haven't watched his material in many years though.
Agreed, it's hard to argue fair use when you use a show a large part of the movie in your videos.
Right, and Youtube is a private company. Not a public utility. They probably don't want to constantly go up to bat for this stuff. They're basically overdoing their "cover our ass" measures.
It was kind of inevitable. I wonder if anything can change, realistically.
If they had any music in it, I bet it was JASRAC that was behind it. I remember all the way back in 2006 I recorded videos of Ouendan (on my phone) and they were removed due to copyright claims from JASRAC, which is the music organization that governs Japanese music. Ever since then I quit posting videos...I mean my channel got deleted after a while.
It's actually very easy to argue fair use, and there is no way in hell a court would rule against them if it actually went to trial.
But that's not the legal framework youtube works on, they retain the right to do whatever they fuck they want, which is what they do.
I wonder if we should start considering youtube a monopoly at some point and prevent them from engaging such behavior which is harmful for everyone, well, everyone but lawyers.
Edit: actually, all this crap stems from the idea the youtube itself can be held responsible for copyright violations that happens on their platform, it's a terrible idea and if we change the law most of that crap would go away.
Messofanego
Banned
The irony in that is that Channel Awesome tried to shame Lupa for wanting to get her "patreon on" since she wasn't making money with them, and then fired her for not replying to their message within 15 minutes.
Now looks like Doug and Rob are getting fucked in the ass by the big boys. Kind of makes me smile in all honesty.
BreezyLimbo
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Crash Station
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Damn, surprised I haven't gotten hit with some of the playthroughs I've done. Maybe it's just anime and not games, even if they're anime games?
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