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Charlie Sheen is HIV+

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I can't say that I wouldn't date someone who is HIV+...


At the same time, before any sex is to be had... I would like to know. This whole forgetting shit is not happening for me because you can't forget you have a disease. How is that even possible?

I understand that HIV+ is no longer the death sentence it was back in the days and is almost treatable or should I say, manageable to live with for years with... But the straight up negligence that could put me at risk, even if it's near zero... Is not acceptable to me. Be honest with me and I'll be honest with you.
 
Melkr_ said:
But should the person be morally reprehensed when the risk is fairly nonexistent? If the risk is most likely close/or zero under normal circumstances, shouldnt we think for a minute and not judge so severely those people who dont disclose? Doesnt this fear comes from wrong ideas and prejudices?.

Is an HIV+ person devoided of her right for privacy once she has adquired HIV+? Should she carry the stigma of her disease in every one of her sexual encounters? Should she just "deal with it"? Those are things to consider too, when we have this type of dicussion.

Is it fair to label them as uncaring monsters when they are taking care of their health, use a condom and dont disclose just out of fear and/or embarrassment?. Disclosure is preferable, the morally correct option but most of society aint give a fuck about that.



the cure was in Charlie´s blood all along. #winning

What a weird way to twist yourself out of responsability.
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you've gone into the deep end, friend. this is a dark, repulsive, selfish post.
 
Father_Brain said:
Which is why I would say the ethical obligation to disclose increases based on the level of risk being assumed.
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Yes, but the bar starts very high; it's already very unethical to not disclose your HIV status to a partner even when it is adequately controlled and a condom will be used.

Condoms are known for the rather large gap in the failure rates between typical use and perfect use. In addition, people being put in a situation where they believe they have some valid, morally justifiable reason to not disclose their HIV status are the last people who I would trust to objectively evaluate their adherence to a difficult medical regimen. Never mind that the partner will not be able to understand the gravity of adhering to safety protocols without the specific knowledge that there is a real -- not hypothetical -- risk of HIV transmission.
 
sphinx said:
I hate to reply to people who can't be arsed to present a proper counter-argument but I will ask you this.

if I never, not even once, come in any sort of contact with a guy's cum (or precum), what difference does it make to question him about what's his HIV status? you know cum is needed for transmition right?



ok. this is weird.

if you are referring to my initial post, then something definitely got lost in translation,

I think I'll leave it there
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Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about.
 
getting back to charlie, is he med free? is this announcement gonna require doctor oz's analysis, are we gonna get ja rule on the skype?
 
CornBurrito said:
Well that would be because humans aren't robots, and the history of AIDS is such that the emotional response to " I lied to this girl/guy about having AIDS so I could fuck them" is a lot different than the response to other lies.
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Exactly - it's based on emotions and the history (not present) of HIV/AIDS.

I personally don't think you can divorce ethics from human emotions.
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Not in every scenario, but that doesn't make it an undesirable goal.
 
Father_Brain said:
But it's not a matter of "belief." This is factually true.



Wanting to know is perfectly rational. But treating it as some massive violation, even when the risk involved is negligible, isn't.



Exactly - facts don't matter. That's precisely my point.
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Science didnt prevail on this one, it seems. Beliefs over facts.

theusedversion said:
I would like to ask a couple of questions since you have shared that you are positive.

1.) Do you always freely share your status before hooking up?

2.) Have you ever lied to anyone you were about to hookup with because you were afraid of what they would think or that they may change their mind and because you believe, as you explained earlier, that the risk is essentially zero when your levels are below a certain level?
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I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wish I could give you more insight on this matter, but I am not HIV+. Well, at least according to the latest test that I got results from two weeks ago. But I already had a hook up this weekend. We used a condom and all but, I may be still in danger since I dont know for certain if the guy was negative (he told me so, he could be lying, yada yada). Oh well, I guess I will have to wait another 3 months to know if I am still negative. ;)

Tesseract said:
you've gone into the deep end, friend. this is a dark, repulsive, selfish post.
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U know what, nevermind.
 
Father_Brain said:
Exactly - it's based on emotions and the history (not present) of HIV/AIDS.



Not in every scenario, but that doesn't make it an undesirable goal.
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I hate this argument.

Sure it is emotional. But that doesn't mean that there is a rational basis to that emotion, regardless of how insignificant you think that percentage is. And that's insanely shitty.
 
PBY said:
I hate this argument.

Sure it is emotional. But that doesn't mean that there is a rational basis to that emotion, regardless of how insignificant you think that percentage is. And that's insanely shitty.
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You're more likely to die in a car accident than to get HIV from someone with an undetectable viral load, yet no one would say it's rational to be deathly afraid of riding in a motor vehicle.
 
Father_Brain said:
You're more likely to die in a car accident than to get HIV from someone with an undetectable viral load, yet no one would say it's rational to be deathly afraid of riding in a motor vehicle.
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? That's such a shitty analogy. You are aware of your risks and you assume them accordingly.

Trust me. I'm a huge proponent of fact over emotion. It doesn't sway me here though because you still deserve to know, low percentage aside.

Edit- in case I wasn't clear, not saying you should be afraid; you should just know.
 
Anyone under treatment can reach undetectable viral loads, why does he talk about it like he's the only one?

Edit: And no, you are not "cured".
 
Arkeband said:
wtf

You just admitted you have knowledge of ongoing potentially deadly criminal acts but you haven't acted on it because that's not your place.

This thread is a fucking nightmare.
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There are already criminal acts, on top of criminal acts. Plus I would have likely just gotten beaten to a pulp by multiple individuals.

So, I gather I made the right call.
 
Prez said:
No one will listen to this I'm afraid.
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No because it's stupid. The chances might be "almost non-existent" but then lots of people have AIDs. It doesn't matter what the exact chances are because ultimately, if I'm going to make a bet, any bet, I want to know that I'm rolling the dice.

Edit: I just googled this and apparently the chances of getting HIV are between 0.1% and 0.6% depending on the cut/uncut status of the D. So, well fuck that's only having sex 200-1000 with some selfish uncaring cunt(s) (and obviously likely less than that because probability) - so I would not call that almost non-existent at all.
 
Well, there it is - " I'm HIV positive", and happened 4 years ago.

He has paid millions to keep it quiet.

Says he always told his sexual partners about it and used protection.

One prostiture came over, took photo of his meds, then threatened to sale it to the tabloids.
 
Thats terrible

Thankfully there have been some serious actual advancements in HIV treatment over the past decade

I pray that these people get the treatment they need and we eventually find a way to completely clear the virus
 
Downhome said:
Well, there it is - " I'm HIV positive", and happened 4 years ago.

He has paid millions to keep it quiet.

Says he always told his sexual partners about it and used protection.

One prostiture came over, took photo of his meds, then threatened to sale it to the tabloids.
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How has he paid millions to keep it quiet? Weird.

Still a lousy way for it to all come together.
 
Dude is nervous. Took a sip of a drink and his hand was shaking. Man. He hopes this will allow him to escape his 'prison' he's been living in. Doesn't know who infected him.

Damn
 
SpaceWolf said:
Is it actually confirmed Sheen has AIDS or is this just speculation?
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He just admitted on the Today show that he has HIV. He claims he told everyone that he slept with once he knew he had the virus, and that he had 2 partners he slept with without any protection but they were warned by his doctor ahead of time.
 
Melkr_ said:
If he knew he was HIV and didnt disclose it, thats not ok. If he did, or he used a condom, then he did nothing wrong. It is your responsability too to protect yourself or ask your partner to wear protection, use PrEP or whatever.. Sex-shaming and HIV-shaming are actually not good.
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Unrelated but related: why am I seeing PrEP as carte blanche for a vast majority of gay men to engage in unsafe sexual practices? (I am a gay men living in large city and it's become quite scary)
 
Sanjuro said:
Yeah. I thought it was just me or maybe he lost a few pounds.

Even during his program I thought he looked gaunt. My mental image of him is still Ricky Vaughn.
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Yeah if you watch the last few seasons of Two and a half men and that show he did right after. You could tell he was having some issues.
 
Charlie: "Impossible to transmit it through protected sex."
. . .
Doctor: "Well, for an optimally treated patient the odds are incredibly low for him to transmit the disease through protected sex."

Yeah, someone like that needs to fucking divulge that shit before any sexual activity.

Anyone in here saying otherwise is wrong.
 
Shit that's crazy.

Sad how he's been extortioned by some women looking to make some serious paper off him and his disease. That story of a prostitute taking a pic of his meds..Jesus.

I just read that he's allegedly had sex with over 5000 women. That just boggles my mind.
 
He has spent a lot of time discussing the safety risks/reality of having sex while HIV positive in 2015 with his medication he's on. Informative, but I'm sniffing a little 'I'm still DTF ' going on.
 
For someone with money is it even a death sentence anymore?

I was 12 when Magic Johnson got HIV
I am 36 now and I have to imagine the drugs then are not as good as they were back then but that guy is still kicking

Sheen should be fine, his love life will plummet though
 
Can't believe he's only 50. I don't care how many people admire him for living a wild fanciful life. I'd rather not look like a husk by the time I hit middle age.

The extortion thing is down right ugly. No one should have to fight to keep their personal life on lockdown.
 
Wow Charlie looked like he wanted to kill Matt.

He asked if he still did drugs, no, asked if he was still drinking, he said a little bit. Matt then asked the doctor if Charlie could be trusted to not drink, lose cobtrol, then lapse on taking his required HIV meds. That look...
 
Everybody who was really drunk and horny at one time, knows how fast it can go getting started without protection. Sometimes you put the condome on later when you come to senses but with HIV it's too late with micoinjuries. He was/is an alcohol addict so i don't know if he really always put protection on.
 
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