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Cheney "accidentally" shoots man in texas

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Blackace said:
well my black ass would be... I know that..
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I dont think we'll ever reach the point in race relations where any Quail related excuses will fly for a black man. :'(
 
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:lol
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
APF I'll only say this one thing to you directly and I'm done with this line.
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? You don't have to be afraid of talking to me.


Tommie Hu$tle said:
Your posts (appear to me at least) to be disingenous in the fact that you have a "no harm, no foul" kind of attitude as to what is going on here.
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If Cheney was negligent he was negligent. This mirrors my position on all of these OMG SCANDAL cases. That doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate "other side" to the equation however (and it's not a direct line from "accidental shooting" to the proverbial gallows--regardless of whether or not you're the Vice President), as even you suggest in your response to me.
 
pxleyes said:
I dont see the irony. What has Hillary not been upfront about herslef. Her husband maybe, but not her personally.
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Forgetting for a second that she was an intrinsic part of the Clinton administration ... Whitewater?
 
The downturn in Mr. Whittington's health significantly changed the tone of the White House reaction to the hunting accident. In Texas, Carlos Valdez, the district attorney in Kleberg County, said a fatality would immediately spur a new report from the local sheriff and, most likely, a grand jury investigation.
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New York Times

Spin baby... spin...

Local officials have not considered any charges in the shooting because no one in the hunting party, including the victim, has accused Mr. Cheney of wrongdoing.

"Everybody that I've heard so far has said it was an accident," said Mr. Valdez, who holds an elected position and is a Democrat. "The victim probably told the sheriff's department it was an accident."

Mr. Valdez added, "Now, if the worst happens and the man happens to die, we would take an additional step."

Under the law, even an accidental hunting fatality can result in criminal charges. Mr. Cheney could be charged with negligence, defined as failing to understand the dangers involved and disregarding them, or recklessness, defined as understanding the dangers and disregarding them.
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Wait... there would have to be an investigation?? And there would be a need to establish proof that Cheney was negligent or reckless?? It wouldn't automatically be assumed the case because Cheney pulled the trigger?? Haven't they talked to Phoenix? He could clear up all that "proof" and "investigation" nonsense right away.
 
APF said:
Wait... there would have to be an investigation?? And there would be a need to establish proof that Cheney was negligent or reckless?? It wouldn't automatically be assumed the case because Cheney pulled the trigger?? Haven't they talked to Phoenix? He could clear up all that "proof" and "investigation" nonsense right away.
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Dude just shut up.
 
APF said:
Wait... there would have to be an investigation?? And there would be a need to establish proof that Cheney was negligent or reckless?? It wouldn't automatically be assumed the case because Cheney pulled the trigger?? Haven't they talked to Phoenix? He could clear up all that "proof" and "investigation" nonsense right away.
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I think the county DA is clearing up the "investigation nonsense" just fine on his own, brownshirt.
 
APF said:
What, by possibly having one? That's the point, pinko.
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No, brownshirt, the point is that other people know what they're talking about and don't necessarily couch everything in partisan cock-waving.
 
terrene said:
No, brownshirt, the point is that other people know what they're talking about and don't necessarily couch everything in partisan cock-waving.
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Who are you talking about, pinko?
 
terrene said:
Who did I mention in my first post, brownshirt?
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The DA? Then how is your response relevant to the point I was making re: Phoenix? Are you trying to say Phoenix doesn't know what he's talking about and is just "[couching] everything in partisan cock-waving," but the DA does and he seems to be acting sensibly? Because I don't have a problem with that--if indeed that's what you're saying, pinko.
 
1. Cheney attacked secular Iraq, mistaking it for an ally of Usamah Bin Laden. Cheney attacked Harry Whittington, mistaking him for a small bird.

2. Iraq has been peppered with Cheney's munitions. Whittington has been peppered with Cheney's munitions.

3. Cheney did not have a legal license to hunt quail on the trip that saw Whittingon wounded. Cheney did not have a United Nations license to invade Iraq or reduce it to rubble.

4. Cheney tried to blame Iraq for getting itself invaded by not signalling hard enough that it really did not have weapons of mass destruction. Cheney tried to blame Whittington for getting himself shot by not signalling hard enough that he was not a small bird.

5. Cheney thought Iraq's insurgency was in its last throes nearly a year ago. Cheney was deathly afraid that Whittington might be in his last throes.

6. Whittington thought Cheney as hunting partner would keep him secure. Iraqis thought that after the fall of Saddam, Cheney would make them secure.

7. Cheney gave Whittington a heart attack by shooting him in the heart. Cheney gave Iraqis a heart attack by having them bombed relentlessly.

8. Cheney tried to cover up how bad Whittington's condition was after he shot him. Cheney tried to cover up how bad Iraq's situation is after he had it invaded.

9. Cheney thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Cheney thought Whittington was a small bird.

10. Cheney shot Whittington while hunting in the dark. Cheney invaded Iraq while being in the dark.


:lol :lol :lol
 
APF said:
The DA? Then how is your response relevant to the point I was making re: Phoenix? Are you trying to say Phoenix doesn't know what he's talking about and is just "[couching] everything in partisan cock-waving," but the DA does and he seems to be acting sensibly? Because I don't have a problem with that--if indeed that's what you're saying, pinko.
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You are every bit as partisan as Phoenix and you know it, brownshirt.
 
In an exclusive interview with Fox News' Brit Hume this afternoon, Vice President Dick Cheney took full responsibility for shooting his hunting companion, who has until now been pictured as the guilty party. The interview will not air in full until 6 p.m., but according to Hume, in summarizing the contents, the vice president remained "totally unapologetic" about the long lag in reporting the shooting to the public -- and also said that he had consumed one beer at lunch that day.
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It was nice knowing ya Cheney.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
One beer isn't going to buy the farm. Now then if the guy had swilled down 12 cold ones then we would be in a different place.
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There is not a drunk driver in the world who hasn't had more than one beer.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
There is not a drunk driver in the world who hasn't had more than one beer.
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True but, how are you going to PROOVE that he had more than one beer today? I mean I'd like to see the VP exit stage left more than anyone but, the facts have to support that. It is not going to do it here. If he would have killed the man then we would have a different discussion.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
True but, how are you going to PROOVE that he had more than one beer today? I mean I'd like to see the VP exit stage left more than anyone but, the facts have to support that. It is not going to do it here. If he would have killed the man then we would have a different discussion.
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That's just it though, no one can prove anything because he hid out for 20+ hours.
 
APF said:
Did the victim follow proper safety procedures set in place for his own protection? Reports suggest he did not. Sorry.
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That's bull. You can talk about all the other conditions that existed at the time, but the bottom line is it wasn't the victim's fault. You can't blame anyone else. Cheney is the guy who pulled the trigger and shot this man.
 
NEW YORK — Vice President Dick Cheney told FOX News on Wednesday that he alone is responsible for a weekend hunting accident in which he shot Austin attorney Harry Whittington.

"Ultimately I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry," Cheney said in his first interview since the incident. "I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend, and that's something I'll never forget."

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"It was not Harry's fault," Cheney said. "You cannot blame anybody else."

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APF said:
I didn't *blame* anyone, as an honest reading of my posts would show.
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You try to divert some of the blame from Cheney, where it belongs, to the victim, as an honest reading of your posts would show. Something which Cheney himself has the decency not to do:

"You can talk about all of the other conditions that exist at the time but that's the bottom line and - it was not Harry's fault,'' he said. "You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend.''
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iapetus said:
You try to divert some of the blame from Cheney, where it belongs, to the victim, as an honest reading of your posts would show. Something which Cheney himself has the decency not to do:
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I said Cheney may have been negligent, but that's not necessarily the case. I didn't lay blame except to suggest responsibility fell on him as the trigger-man. So get off my back; I even posted what you quote here. Heaven forbid I offer a realistic, balanced opinion--as usual I get a gaggle of OT's finest jumping down my throat for doing so.
 
APF said:
Heaven forbid I offer a realistic, balanced opinion.
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No, really, maybe you should try it some time. If you have been trying, maybe you should practice to make it look less like something Felix Wankel would be proud of...
 
iapetus said:
No, really, maybe you should try it some time.
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That's your response? How about an apology? Or at least some sort of acknowledgement that you were attacking a straw man, rather than what I was actually saying?

Anyway, what's more important to you: trying to suppress my not immediately spinning an accident into a criminal tragedy, or folks calling homosexuality "sexual degeneracy" on the level of beastiality?
 
APF said:
I said Cheney may have been negligent, but that's not necessarily the case. I didn't lay blame except to suggest responsibility fell on him as the trigger-man. So get off my back; I even posted what you quote here. Heaven forbid I offer a realistic, balanced opinion--as usual I get a gaggle of OT's finest jumping down my throat for doing so.
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"Balanced?" You're being even more defensive than Cheney on the matter, brownshirt.
 
maynerd said:
You are about as balanced as Fox news.
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Disagree with me? Explain how. Don't make stupid sniping comments, then run away like you usually do. Man up. I respect that.
 
APF said:
How many times do I have to be called a Nazi here, yet I'm the one who is out of line?
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Brownshirt, I never said you were out of line or a nazi, just that you're fucking dumb -- not to mention too much of a pussy to admit what a right-wing apologist you are.
 
maynerd said:
Your posts speak for themself man.
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I said Cheney was responsible for knowing what he was shooting. Cheney agreed he was responsible, above.

I said it has yet to be proven that Cheney was reckless or negligent, that this wasn't just an unfortunate accident. That has yet to be shown. That was what I was discussing.


Call me a "right wing apologist," that's fine--I really don't give a shit about your opinion re: my political allegiances, real or imagined.
 
APF said:
I said Cheney was responsible for knowing what he was shooting. Cheney agreed he was responsible, above.
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You also said:

APF said:
Did the victim follow proper safety procedures set in place for his own protection? Reports suggest he did not. Sorry.
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What is the implication, here, Brownshirt? Pretty obvious: Cheney was responsible, but the victim is also somewhat responsible. A position that not even Cheney himself is advocating.
 
terrene said:
What is the implication, here, Brownshirt? Pretty obvious: Cheney was responsible, but the victim is also somewhat responsible. A position that not even Cheney himself is advocating.
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No, I didn't suggest anything about *responsibility,* but rather was addressing the question of negligence or recklessness, which was the topic of discussion at the time, pinko. Again, you can't attack what I actually was saying, and have to construct a straw man to attack, since apparently my point was even *more* fair and balanced than like a hundred Brit Humes.
 
APF said:
No, I didn't suggest anything about *responsibility,* but rather was addressing the question of negligence or recklessness, which was the topic of discussion at the time, pinko.
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WTF is the difference, Brownshirt? I'd say he who was negligent or reckless shared in the responsibility -- as would the law. So what's your point?
 
terrene said:
WTF is the difference, Brownshirt? I'd say he who was negligent or reckless shared in the responsibility
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Which doesn't differ with what I was saying one iota, pinko. I was saying that negligence or recklessness HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN AT THIS POINT. Even you, who appear to be too stupid to breathe, should be able to understand this after I've repeated it ad nauseam.
 
APF said:
Which doesn't differ with what I was saying one iota, pinko. I was saying that negligence or recklessness HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN AT THIS POINT.
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...No, it does differ. Calling out the victim for not "following safety procedure" is pretty obviously sharing the burden of responsibility. Calling others "stupid" after being caught so red-handed is quite laughable. But do rant on.
 
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