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China blasts U.S. 'rape and murder' at U.N. Human Rights Council
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Succinct Verbosity
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Gonna be a lot of whataboutisms in this thread.
Maintenance
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Pot calling the kettle black.
Both should avoid a Trump rally though.
Both should avoid a Trump rally though.
malingenie
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They're not wrong, just assholes.
Pretty much.
Crimson_Fate
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Fu 2
GhostWriter24
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China throwing shade regarding human rights abuse? Surely they jest.
theignoramus
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Difference being can a Chinese man speak those criticisms of China in China without government harassment?
America has its dirt, but at least you can call it out without being thrown in jail. (even if thats a relatively recent phenomenon in American history)
America has its dirt, but at least you can call it out without being thrown in jail. (even if thats a relatively recent phenomenon in American history)
Vigilant Walrus
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At a certain point it does not matter anymore. At least not enough not to have this conversation based on who the sender is.
I'm not American, and I find this rhetoric to be a shorthand for deflecting from these accusations because China has a lousy record. You can be an appalling country and still have a good point.
In the case of China, they are not marketed as the best country of the world. There motto is not freedom and equality. That's not the case for America- A country which has raped and pillaged itself literally to becoming the sovereign self ruler of the world.
Wanting to call out the US on this and wanting them to reform doesn't have to mean anything more than a desire to simply seeing a country living up to its potential. The US doesn't have to be this way, because it is better than the road it has currently gone down in the last 35 years.
But on GAF and elsewhere you do have apologists who excuse Iraq, NSA, Drones and everything else is justified because of this perceived threat. It's all bullshit. You have a way bigger chance of being killed by guns than anyone from this war on terror. That doesn't mean the US hasn't engaged in genocidal killings that they have tried to keep hidden from the public..
PeskyToaster
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Yeah but as americans we talk actually talk about all the shit and try to make some change.
Morrigan Stark
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"Burn"? Are you kidding me OP?
How About No
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In China if you say something the government doesn't like you get arrested
In America if you say something people don't like you get shot
Don't know which one I like more honestly
In America if you say something people don't like you get shot
Don't know which one I like more honestly
The U.S. was pretty rough with Edward Snowden. Here is the 2015 World Press Freedom Index.
USA - #49
Meanwhile, China is #176.
I just think that the U.S. needs to practice what it preaches.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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The UNHRC is quite literally a gigantic troll-vehicle used by nations with shoddy human rights records. The only thing they agree on is criticising Israel (not hard when only the US is really willing to make excuses for them), otherwise any actual examination of human rights abuses is studiously avoided.
Example: Testimony by an NGO on the well-documented state oppression faced by atheists in a number of countries, including Saudi Arabia, is repeatedly interrupted when the Saudi delegate repeatedly throws a tantrum.
Example: Testimony by an NGO on the well-documented state oppression faced by atheists in a number of countries, including Saudi Arabia, is repeatedly interrupted when the Saudi delegate repeatedly throws a tantrum.
Yeah. The emperor has no clothes.
This is America 101, of course, and it's been going on forever. We were criticizing the Soviet Union and the evils of communism while lynching blacks and murdering civil rights workers.
Seductivpancakes
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Yea but you have the freedom to get your own gun to shoot back in America.
USA USA USA
lol
Obvious whataboutism from China but kinda justified seeing how the US has a history of great hypocrisy when it comes to these things
True. It's still funny.
No its just sad.
NYCmetsfan
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Hexa
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Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Boy it sure would have been easier to read the OP without that constant looping gif within my FOV.
This has to be a joke.
Vigilant Walrus
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The U.S. was pretty rough with Edward Snowden. Here is the 2015 World Press Freedom Index.
USA - #49
Meanwhile, China is #176.
I just think that the U.S. needs to practice what it preaches.
Bradley Manning exposed mass murder hidden by the US military. It is staggering to me how many Americans actually believe that he deserves to sit in a dungeon from exposing the inexcusable fuckup that has never been addressed or apologized for before (to my knowledge.)
It's one of those myths that people like him and Snowden leaked information, that doing that supposedly "endangered" US foreign sensitive interests like sleeper agents and such, despite the contrary having been confirmed time and time again- Except for one case, where a journalist didn't know how to use Microsoft Paint to censor bar sensitive information in an article.
This myth joins others like many Americans belief in the death penalty and that torture is an appropriate use of force, despite the fact that all evidence shows tha neither the death penalty or torture causes effective results.
The belief that these things work are mental constructs. The Anti-Snowden/Manning rhetoric is a completely different beast though. I don't quite understand the reasons behind it, but I find it bonkers that so many people are defending Obama and Hillarys stance on them.
I find it in an act of evil that you want to give yourself a free pass when you commit genocide. It's not up for the debate that the US military haven't purposely tried to cover a lot of this shit up.
The difference is that Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are much more marketable with pictures that makes those programs harder to defend. Manning is spending most of his life in isolation. Something the UN has deemed in and of itself, an act of torture.
TheLostBigBoss
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How About No
Pagusas
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In Europe if you say something people don't like you get stabbed
In Australia if you say something a kangaroo doesn't like you get strangled to death
Exaggerating/making shit up is fun.
PeskyToaster
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maquiladora
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China and human rights lol.....
Enjoy : https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/
Enjoy : https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/
And then the kettle returns the favour.
How About No
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Ok I might have been a little hyperbolic about my country's problems here. You don't actually have to say or do anything at all to get shot. Like a leg cramp, it just sorta happens!
I say that on some fronts change has not happened and conversation in the public sphere about these things is near impossible, yes. Still killing people and overthrowing governments of countries that are not yours like it's 1973, still supporting big business exploitation of poor development countries like it's 1987.
Now don't spin this into thinking I thus condone China's behavior, they're the same.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Yup, there's almost always going to be some level of hypocracy when governments call each other out on something, but China is one of the least qualified countries to talk about any of this.
Even Hong Kong isn't safe any more, some publishers linked to anti-Chinese Government publications "mysteriously" vanished and wound up days later in custody in mainland China.
Tallshortman
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Given the current political divide your claim would indicate no one in America is left alive.
Good post. I can't believe I forgot about her. She uncovered footage of U.S. soldiers playing with a mini gun and murdering a Reuters reporter. It really is rather scary that there are so many willing to defend such things due to nationalism.
At everyone else, there's really no question that China has a horrible human rights record. They were called out by a bunch of countries in the OP. However, the Chinese diplomat has pointed out that there is a hypocrite among those countries. That country is the U.S. The U.S. is rather unique in the West in this regard.
Does it not bother you that your country preaches freedom, equality and human rights but ignores all of these things? I find that many turn a blind eye to the ugly truth. Everyone in the west knows about China but not everyone knows about the U.S.'s darkness.
I find it amusing and even cathartic that the country with one of the worst human rights records on this Earth can call the U.S. out as hypocrites on human rights and actually be right.
I'm more surprised that we are 1/3 as bad as SA in this. That gap should have been wider
aronnov reborn
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It's ok to China as long as it's the government....
silvermember
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Both of them suck, but only one of them pretend to be morally superior. For decades America has preach being better than most countries and recent events are showing America has no leg to stand on. you cannot preach human rights violations when you are doing the same crap.
Not to mention the fact that they use "human rights violations" as pretexts for invasions and as an excuse to impose economic sanctions against countries that they don't like. Meanwhile, they give their bedfellows like Saudi Arabia a free pass.
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