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[Chinner]

Not playing as Snake. I realize it's just an avatar change, but man, what a bait-N-switch. Starting off that way didn't help me when it came time to judge the rollerskating bomb boss, Rose's constant annoying interruptions, the hilariousness that is escorting Otacon's sister for so long only to have her die, the incredible stupidity of the ending twist after twist after twist after twist (the worst in my mind still being Fortune's "Bullets miss me magically, no wait it's a box, no wait! It's actually magic! [later explained as "nano machines", but at the time, MAGIC!], NOT actually fighting Fortune and finding a cool way to kill her (this is why Psycho Mantis was fun and acceptable).

*Smugly sits back* Heh, he doesn't 'get it'.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Not at all, there are quite a few people that can see past a lot of the originals flaws, and can see that objectively Bioshock 2 is a better game than the original.

See here for example - SPOILERS!!
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top...better-than-bioshock-1/a-20100212164450805076

It doesn't disentegrate in the last third of the game, combat is much better and varied, the environments are much more open and less linear.

Subjectively, the story in Bioshock 2 is even better to me, it's quite a touching personal affair that resonates much more with me than the originals bombastic storyline.

I've said it before on here, the only problem Bioshock 2 had was that the Rapture money-shot had already been blown, so it didn't have the same impact.

Of course, Bioshock 2 starts off quite slowly, and I can see why that put a few people off, but it gathers pace and never lets up - the final 3rd is fantastic.

I'd put Siren's Alley from Bioshock 2 up against anything from the original game, including Fort Frolic.

I think Bioshock 2 is vastly superior to the first game too

 

[desh]

I prefer JK2 overall but I can see what you mean. In the singleplayer you are just tearing down dumb AI enemies so having more pre-defined attacks adds some more diversity to the combat. In the multiplayer though the saber combat was very well balanced and it was completely ruined in JA.

Out of curiosity, what did JA "break" in the multiplayer aspect of the game?

I would also say that JA had the best lightsaber combat in any star wars game I've played. This includes, but is not limited to, JK1, JK2, JA, Obi Wan (xbox), and Force Unleashed.

 

[desh]

Learn to Straif jump bro.

Rocket Arena 2 was the greatest competitive mod in FPS history. During my summer vacations back in high school I literally played RA2 like a job (posting well over 100 hours of gametime most weeks). Nothing will ever match up to that time of playing for me.

First of all, it's spelled strafe. Second of all, air-strafing > strafe jumping. Thirdly, you can strafe jump in Q1.

If you want a fast game (speedwise), Q1 ctf is one of the fastest FPS games you'll ever play, the speed you attain while grapple jumping, and then learning to bunny-hop to maintain your speed from said grapple jump, will allow you to move around the level very quickly.

 

[Apath]

What the what? Have you even played it before? N&B is a damn good game.

My vote:

Not a bad game, but hardly the stand-out title like its previous entries.

Killed the Warcraft lore and my hopes of WC4, (potential) sequel to the greatest game ever, Warcraft 3.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Do we forget so quickly?

The CD-i Zelda games?

Simon's Quest?

imagine waking up on christmas morning and finding the bright shining turd sandwich that was Mario is Missing under the tree, waiting for you.

these games almost certainly ruined parent/child relationships in many households. i'd say that's good reason to want them un-done.

Those weren't sequels, those were side projects. This thread more generally deals with direct sequels to games, because otherwise, you can just choose the most irrelevant game in a series. More interesting entries than CD-i Zeldas and Mario is Missing are Pokémon RuSa, Resident Evil 5, and Phantom Hourglass.

 

[Buckethead]

MGS 4
Uncharted 2
Force Unleashed 2

Every WWE game after Shut Your Mouth
Every Madden game after 2003

 

[dorkimoe]

Anything after guiitar hero 2. Coulda been one of those games that just lived on for being original and awesome. Instead, , milked it to the point of hatred

 

[Shaneus]

Star Control 3

Holy shit, first page. Bravo!

Oh, my contribution:

Seriously. TWO CARS?!? There were more cars in the first one! Also the fact that while the graphics *were* improved, they weren't significantly better. Handling wasn't really improved, either.
And it was the first game I played that introduced add-on packs. When said packs were around 300kb each, they *must've* just been unlock codes. Shameful.

 

[Kazzy]

The Devil May Cry reboot? Wat?!

Baffling considering its not even out yet. I may be the rare exception here but I'm looking forward to it. The 1st and 3rd games were great, whilst the other two left me cold.

 

[CrocMother]

Games don't necessarily have to be bad under the objective definition to wish they never existed. For example, when beloved franchises take a direction that you see as a downgrade...

However, here are some sequels that may also do this but are also shite and particularly detestable to me because they followed up beloved games and/or ruined beloved franchises.

 

[Nemesis_]

Not at all, there are quite a few people that can see past a lot of the originals flaws, and can see that objectively Bioshock 2 is a better game than the original.

See here for example - SPOILERS!!
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top...better-than-bioshock-1/a-20100212164450805076

It doesn't disentegrate in the last third of the game, combat is much better and varied, the environments are much more open and less linear.

Subjectively, the story in Bioshock 2 is even better to me, it's quite a touching personal affair that resonates much more with me than the originals bombastic storyline.

I've said it before on here, the only problem Bioshock 2 had was that the Rapture money-shot had already been blown, so it didn't have the same impact.

Of course, Bioshock 2 starts off quite slowly, and I can see why that put a few people off, but it gathers pace and never lets up - the final 3rd is fantastic.

I'd put Siren's Alley from Bioshock 2 up against anything from the original game, including Fort Frolic.

While I felt that BioShock 2 was weaker and somewhat unnecessary compared to the first, I think these are very very valid points.

 

[Ellis Kim]

I expected more Dino Crisis 3 in this thread, lol.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Parasite Eve 2
The Third Birthday (if we suppose it's PE 3)
Devil May Cry 2
Dragon Age 2
Champions of Norath Return to Arms

I can probably find more but my mind is blank for now. I didn't include stuff like FF 13 and Legend of Mana since they are not really "sequels".

 

[WonkyPanda]

Not at all, there are quite a few people that can see past a lot of the originals flaws, and can see that objectively Bioshock 2 is a better game than the original.

See here for example - SPOILERS!!
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top...better-than-bioshock-1/a-20100212164450805076

It doesn't disentegrate in the last third of the game, combat is much better and varied, the environments are much more open and less linear.

Subjectively, the story in Bioshock 2 is even better to me, it's quite a touching personal affair that resonates much more with me than the originals bombastic storyline.

I've said it before on here, the only problem Bioshock 2 had was that the Rapture money-shot had already been blown, so it didn't have the same impact.

Of course, Bioshock 2 starts off quite slowly, and I can see why that put a few people off, but it gathers pace and never lets up - the final 3rd is fantastic.

I'd put Siren's Alley from Bioshock 2 up against anything from the original game, including Fort Frolic.

Fuck. Yes. Let's make a clan or something because there are far too many lost souls out there. Everything you mentioned is exactly how I feel about BS 1 vs. BS 2. BS 1 has one of the most contrived plot twists in the history of mankind. The ONLY thing that BS 1 has going for it is the use of rapture as an awe-inspiring vessel for us to ride on through a mundane, forced story.

BS 2 is a far more relatable story and can resonate far more with the general gamer. At it's core, BS 2 is a love story that goes no deeper than a 'father' looking for his 'daughter'. Sure, it does start a little slow, but the game doesn't take a massive shit like BS1 did after 2/3 of the game was done.

With BS 1, I forced myself to finish after the drunk goggle effect of Rapture had worn off. BS 2 may have started slower, but the narrative gradually picked up to the point where it was far more exciting than anything 1 ever attempted. Not to mention that the gameplay was far better (seriously? pipedream hacking?) and the environments were far more varied an interesting.

 

[kswiston]

Final Fantasy XIII - This was the first mainline Final Fantasy that ever disappointed me. I liked-loved every game from FFIV-FFXII (even VIII) and was really anticipating number 13. Unfortunately what we got was not worth the 3.5 year wait, and has tarnished my blind faith in the series.

 

[MalboroRed]

make a current gen Jak game.

The storyline has long been wrapped up in 3, there's nothing to make here and Naughty Dog has moved on, let it be.

 

[Zeal]

Xenosaga series.

 

[SykoTech]

The storyline has long been wrapped up in 3, there's nothing to make here and Naughty Dog has moved on, let it be.

Having just finished Jak 3 this weekend, not really. They never really explained

Spoiler

if Jak is THE Mar, and how did he establish Haven City and everyting else if he is. The Percursors hinted at more adventures in the past too

Though story was hardly the main appeal of Jak & Daxter anyway.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Wario Ware

 

[Ellis Kim]

Final Fantasy XIII - This was the first mainline Final Fantasy that ever disappointed me. I liked-loved every game from FFIV-FFXII (even VIII) and was really anticipating number 13. Unfortunately what we got was not worth the 3.5 year wait, and has tarnished my blind faith in the series.

but its not a sequel.

 

[TheBaldEmperor]

RE 5.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Devil May Cry 2

 

[AniHawk]

Though story was hardly the main appeal of Jak & Daxter anyway.

especially when they tried to make it the main appeal of jak & daxter.

 

[Rahxephon91]

but its not a sequel.

I don't know how it is'nt a sequel. It's got a number in it and it is building off past ideas and mechanics of other FF titles. Games that aren't sequels usually aren't like that.

 

[Almighty]

Probably been said many times, but Dragon Age 2. I would have to say followed closely by Oblivion.

I don't know if it counts since I am not sure it counts as a sequel and not just a spin off, but World of Warcaft gets an honorable mention in my book.

 

[rhino4evr]

I cant believe you folks are saying Uncharted 2...

So hear is one that I'm sure will enrage a few. Zelda 2: Adventures of Link.

I'm sorry but this game just isn't very good. Thank god Zelda 3 brought Zelda back to it's top down roots.

 

[Enkidu]

Out of curiosity, what did JA "break" in the multiplayer aspect of the game?

I would also say that JA had the best lightsaber combat in any star wars game I've played. This includes, but is not limited to, JK1, JK2, JA, Obi Wan (xbox), and Force Unleashed.

It's been a while since I played JA so I can't really give any specifics but it was a lot of small things that changed the timing and feel of the combat which you probably wouldn't pick up on unless you played a lot of JK2. Also, the new lightsabers (dual wielding and darth maul style) screwed up the balance.

 

[SykoTech]

especially when they tried to make it the main appeal of jak & daxter.

It definitely did seem that way, but I sure wasn't caring. Especially when I discovered how convuluted some of it was. The characters were kinda nice (Ashelin <3), but I sure wasn't playing to find out what happens...except maybe towards the end of Jak 3.

 

[cartman414]

I cant believe you folks are saying Uncharted 2...

So hear is one that I'm sure will enrage a few. Zelda 2: Adventures of Link.

I'm sorry but this game just isn't very good. Thank god Zelda 3 brought Zelda back to it's top down roots.

Purist.

I hope you're happy now. We haven't gotten another one like it. Instead, we're more likely to get either 3d Zeldas that aren't expedient enough in some cases (that they didn't fix the real issues with the Water Temple while claiming that the boot switching was all that was needed in the Ocarina of Time 3d update seems proof enough), or 2d Zeldas of the touch controlled type with not enough in the way of reflex gameplay.

So here's a little more payback: Donkey Kong Country. There are a couple great entries in the series as a whole, but it screwed the overall perception of what a Donkey Kong game is, and is imitative at its worst.