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[ItsTheNew]

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How is it different?
Use a wireless mouse and keyboard. And use Steam big picture mode if you want to use a controller.
Definitely not rocket science. If you can't do that then for sure stick to consoles.

People thinking pc's are hard to game on are the new old people thinking pc's are difficult to use. Aside from double clicking the steam shortcut to open up your list of games, consoles behave like pc's (or is it the other way around?) when it comes to ease of use and automated updates. PC gaming is seriously the best route to go unless you play mp with people who won't do it on PC.

 

[KAL2006]

It all comes down to where are your friends playing. And if you play competitive shooters do you like to play on mouse and keyboard or a controller

 

[papo]

did MS not announce it already?

Nope not at all. They talked about Project Scorpio. They teased what they were aiming for. Zero official specs announcements or official anything was announced. People are making all the judgements based on nothing but speculation.

The premium is pretty small for gray boxes. $40-$100 to have my local place assembly it for me. If it was to take me more than 2h then it's cheaper from a time/money trade off for me to pay them to do it.

40-100 dollars to not spend 1 hour building your own PC seems a bit much to me with how easily it really is to build one. It literally takes you 1 hour or less, maybe a bit more if you are learning, but it is a skill you should have.

 

[dragonelite]

Nope not at all. They talked about Project Scorpio. They teased what they were aiming for. Zero official specs announcements or official anything was announced. People are making all the judgements based on nothing but speculation.



40-100 dollars to not spend 1 hour building your own PC seems a bit much to me with how easily it really is to build one. It literally takes you 1 hour or less, maybe a bit more if you are learning, but it is a skill you should have.

Seems pretty sure that it will contain a 6Tflops gpu and have 300GB/s bandwidth which
DF said equals to 12GB of gddr5. The only big mystery is what CPU will scorpio have.

You can build a pc in one hour if everything goes well and my first two build went like that.
But last two build i had to spend almost a complete evening because i needed to chase
bios codes.

Spoiler

Forgot the cpu power supply cable xD

 

[gatti-man]

If you really think every Xbox exclusive will hit PC I have a bridge to sell you. MS has said stuff like this several times. It only lasts a short while. Banking on the PC even getting eventual ports of Xbox exclusives has been a fools bet so far.

Nope not at all. They talked about Project Scorpio. They teased what they were aiming for. Zero official specs announcements or official anything was announced. People are making all the judgements based on nothing but speculation.



40-100 dollars to not spend 1 hour building your own PC seems a bit much to me with how easily it really is to build one. It literally takes you 1 hour or less, maybe a bit more if you are learning, but it is a skill you should have.

Paying someone to build your PC for you yikes. PC building when done right can make your rig perform far better than a quick and dirty assembly. I would never let someone build my PC for me ever. And it's so easy to learn.

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

People thinking pc's are hard to game on are the new old people thinking pc's are difficult to use. Aside from double clicking the steam shortcut to open up your list of games, consoles behave like pc's (or is it the other way around?) when it comes to ease of use and automated updates. PC gaming is seriously the best route to go unless you play mp with people who won't do it on PC.

Have you ever worked in software? Support? IT? Majority of consumers have the hardest time with the simplest of tasks on a pc. I frequently see people that can't even get their TV setup and running correctly. I'm surprised people don't have more issues using more common household items like toasters and microwaves. You aren't everyone. No matter how stupid you think it is a barrier of entry does exist for the mass market. And it's not even just getting it setup and running. I'm FREQUENTLY having to help out with friend's and family's computers... They're changing settings they have no clue about, installing random horrible applications, network issues, viruses, driver/firmware issues.... It's endless. It's not as easy for others as you think it is.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If you have XB1/Xb360 BC games and you want to continue using them in a seamless way on Scorpio. If getting 4 free games a month through Gold is important to you. Scorpio is rumored to have 12GB GDDR5x memory and >320Gb/sec memory bus. I haven't seen a graphics card yet with those two qualities. For $500 I'm going Scorpio.

- Gold is not free
- Like you said; "rumored to have"
- Was a price point announced?

 

[TheGreyHulk]

I'd rather buy scorpio than upgrade my PC slightly better than scorpio.

Like another poster pointed out, it's all up to the user to decide which is better.

For me, I have no desk or monitor. Just a large 1080p TV in my living room. My PC is dated now (i5 750, gtx 670 2gb) and my xbone pretter much does everything I need at the moment. I can power on the system and play or stream easily and that's really all I need, so scorpio will do for me.

Others might be the opposite and that's fine, but there's plenty of people out there who would prefer the console route over pc.

 

[muu]

Are you a technophobe? Do you like to tinker on occasion? Are you willing to spend some time figuring out problems if they occur? Should things just work out of the box?

The bar's gotten much lower, but PCs are still complex multi-use devices that happen to be great gaming machines. If you're not willing to spend some time being PC mechanic, expect to spend significantly more than those low-cost estimates you see online.

 

[Collateral22]

I'm faced with the option of upgrading my PC or getting a Scorpio. Since all XB1 exclusives are basically coming to PC that I want, I will probably throw another 8GB RAM in and get a 1080ti or Titan equivilant. Have my PS4 for everything else. If you have a good PC there is no reason to get a Scorpio

 

[bedlamite]

ITT: PC experts who've never done any kind of PC support, either professionally or for friends/family

"It's like playing with Lego!"

"Just Google it!"

if you knew...if you only knew

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

If you have a good PC there is no reason to get a Scorpio

Not true at all. Plenty of people have listed a lot of reasons, in this very thread, explaining why we would put both to good use. Instead people just ignore it and go with their opinion as being absolute fact. The human condition I guess.

ITT: PC experts who've never done any kind of PC support, either professionally or for friends/family

"It's like playing with Lego!"

"Just Google it!"

if you knew...if you only knew

.

 

[Papilloma]

I'm faced with the option of upgrading my PC or getting a Scorpio. Since all XB1 exclusives are basically coming to PC that I want, I will probably throw another 8GB RAM in and get a 1080ti or Titan equivilant. Have my PS4 for everything else. If you have a good PC there is no reason to get a Scorpio

Not true for me either. Have a good PC, still want a Scorpio. I do get that other people would make different decisions though.

 

[kodecraft]

We don't just play consoles because of exclusives, but ease of use. One system plays all the games released on it. Point blank.

And technically Xbox still has its exclusives. PC sure....but through the WinStore.

is this a reassurance topic?

You know it is.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

By the time the Scorpion comes out you'll be able to buy a GPU that costs less than the console but has significantly more horse power and if you have a PC from the last few years you probably won't have to upgrade anything else unless you want to. Did that last year with a EVGA 970 SSC for $325 instead of buying a PS4 and ended up getting four games with it.

I'm heavily considering it, but I'm also buying a new car soon so I either don't go full out on a gaming pc or continue with console gaming.

But on the other side I need a new laptop too mine is starting to have issues and it's out of warranty. So might spring out for a gaming laptop too. Maybe with the 1070/1080 coming out then the gaming laptops one or two graphics card gens below become worthwhile buying.

Wont be as cheap as building a gaming pc, but I don't have to build a gaming pc and buy a laptop too since I use my laptop way too often.

Laptops will be coming out with full 1070 and 1080s in them just with a lower clock, NVIDIA is doing away with making mobile versions of their GPUs.

 

[Pif]

Guys, if this console mantains the sale pattern of the X1, you think Nadella is gonna send it the way of the Lumia?

This is make or break for MS it seems, no wonder they are being so agressive.

 

[Sydle]

Guys, if this console mantains the sale pattern of the X1, you think Nadella is gonna send it the way of the Lumia?

This is make or break for MS it seems, no wonder they are being so agressive.

You mean rebrand it and try again under the Surface name?

 

[SwolBro]

i can't believe there's another one of these threads. Is there no rule against this? It seems like there's 2 or 3 threads being posted about this everyday and they always end up going down the shit hole.

 

[ninjablade]

Buy a RX 480 at the end of this month for $199 and voila - you now have a Scorpio.

For $199. Right now. With the same games.

ok if i want to start building a pc, what do i need? i just wanna hook it up to my tv. a case, cpu, and the 199$? gpu and i'm good.

 

[RealityCheque]

I'm not particularly interested in building and maintaining a Gaming PC, so I'd pick the Scorpio, personally.

What's to maintain? It's not like you have to get under it once a year in a set of overalls to change the oil filter!

Install new drivers once in a whole. That's about it, which isn't much more than installing new FW on a console.

 

[wonderful103]

ok if i want to start building a pc, what do i need? i just wanna hook it up to my tv. a case, cpu, and the 199$? gpu and i'm good.

And some shadows.

Click here.

 

[Novocaine]

ok if i want to start building a pc, what do i need? i just wanna hook it up to my tv. a case, cpu, and the 199$? gpu and i'm good.

Fan for the CPU, motherboard, PSU, Ram, HDD, KB/M, OS. Then you're good to go.

 

[120v]

if this were 10-15 years ago it'd be worth debating. but there's no reason to choose any console over PC in 2016 if graphics/performance are your chief concern

 

[ItsTheNew]

Have you ever worked in software? Support? IT? Majority of consumers have the hardest time with the simplest of tasks on a pc. I frequently see people that can't even get their TV setup and running correctly. I'm surprised people don't have more issues using more common household items like toasters and microwaves. You aren't everyone. No matter how stupid you think it is a barrier of entry does exist for the mass market. And it's not even just getting it setup and running. I'm FREQUENTLY having to help out with friend's and family's computers... They're changing settings they have no clue about, installing random horrible applications, network issues, viruses, driver/firmware issues.... It's endless. It's not as easy for others as you think it is.

My fiancée is tech illiterate, but she wanted a gaming PC. I helped her choose parts, she put the machine together with a little help from me, and asked what program she needed to download games (something anyone can do). She even grabbed the Xbox 360 controller dongle so she doesn't have to play DA:I with a KBM. So yes, some people are morons with computers but only if they choose to be ignorant.

 

[Patrick Young]

PC is the most future friendly option. Your games will look better over time. In ten years your PC will still be plugged in.

I've made a transition to PC in the lead up to the current console generation but stubbornly continued to buy multiplayer shooters on PS4. Until Uncharted released, the only games I played on it were Battlefront, Battlefield and Destiny; the first two I could've played on PC and the latter I should've avoided from the start.

It's actually my PS4 that I regret buying mostly. I didn't need one until Uncharted 4. On Xbox One I needed Forza and Halo and now the PC will cover those as well.

 

[ninjablade]

And some shadows.

Click here.

Fan for the CPU, motherboard, PSU, Ram, HDD, KB/M, OS. Then you're good to go.

thanks to both of you. i'm sure ill get some nice shadows when i build my pc just waiting to see if sony upgrades those specs before i make my decision.

 

[QuantumBro]

As for difficulty for building a PC, if you have a GAF account, you really should have no problem building it in once you have all the parts. I built my first one about a week ago and it took me an hour, and most of that was watching a video to make sure I was doing everything correctly.

ok if i want to start building a pc, what do i need? i just wanna hook it up to my tv. a case, cpu, and the 199$? gpu and i'm good.

Here's a build guide to get you started. It's missing the 480 since it's not out yet.

You'll also need mouse, keyboard, and OS if you don't already have it.

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

Guys, if this console mantains the sale pattern of the X1, you think Nadella is gonna send it the way of the Lumia?

This is make or break for MS it seems, no wonder they are being so agressive.

I don't see that happening. Just because the Xbox One isn't 1st place doesn't mean it's a failure either. There are no comparisons between the Mobile Phone and Xbox divisions.

Hey guys, we're making lots of money, but Company X is doing better. Pack it up we're shutting down!

 

[roadrunn3r]

My fiancée is tech illiterate, but she wanted a gaming PC. I helped her choose parts, she put the machine together with a little help from me, and asked what program she needed to download games (something anyone can do). She even grabbed the Xbox 360 controller dongle so she doesn't have to play DA:I with a KBM. So yes, some people are morons with computers but only if they choose to be ignorant.

I sometimes wonder how can these type of people even play games. There are a lot of games out there with way more complicated mechanics than figuring out how to use a PC. (or build it)
I know the web is full of walkthroughs but I thought these people didn't want to follow tutorials but just to play a game... which is funny.

On the other side I think some people jump on PC gaming for the wrong reasons. You have to first accept that it's an open platform with all the advantages and disadvantages that it brings with. People who prefer closed platforms are better served on console and it's better that things remain this way.

 

[wonderful103]

thanks to both of you. i'm sure ill get some nice shadows when i build my pc just waiting to see if sony upgrades those specs before i make my decision.

Sony isn't going to be releasing a $5-600 console, so you're safe in your building.

 

[gamz]

My fiancée is tech illiterate, but she wanted a gaming PC. I helped her choose parts, she put the machine together with a little help from me, and asked what program she needed to download games (something anyone can do). She even grabbed the Xbox 360 controller dongle so she doesn't have to play DA:I with a KBM. So yes, some people are morons with computers but only if they choose to be ignorant.

But you helped her choose the parts.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Guys, if this console mantains the sale pattern of the X1, you think Nadella is gonna send it the way of the Lumia?

This is make or break for MS it seems, no wonder they are being so agressive.

They're focusing on building a unified service/platform.

It's why they're being all "eh, we're not really gonna do anything for Windows Phone until next year".

They're basically treating their unified ecosystem as their whole service/platform. It's why people mocking X1 "Play Anywhere" titles are really short-sighted. If you can extend your games to PC, and those PC players can play with your X1 players/community, you've effectively added more customers to the X1 ecosystem...which is soon going to be the "same" as Windows 10 or at least will share a LOT of the same elements.

Bringing it back to Windows Phone, they're banking on getting more support, apps, games, etc. via Windows 10 on Xbox and PC, and that will naturally lead to more apps and dev support on Windows Phone/Mobile, since the platforms are unified.

You mean rebrand it and try again under the Surface name?

This, too

PC is the most future friendly option. Your games will look better over time. In ten years your PC will still be plugged in.

It's important to remember last gen (PS3/360) had a lifespan of almost a decade. Given the power increase of the Scorpio, it's not completely unreasonable to think it will be pretty future friendly. We also don't know if they'll make it possible to expand the hardware in the future, either.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

some people simply just don't get computers. it's really that simple. following tutorials is easy to setup a pc, but there's just a lot more things that can go wrong for various reasons with a pc.

for instance, my usb wifi adapter doesn't have a working driver for windows 10. i can't even go online via wifi. i know other methods to try and fix this, basically searching google for driver solutions, but some people wouldn't know wtf to do.

what happens when a new game comes out and the drivers aren't right and the game runs like crap and you need to install a beta driver to resolve it? how does a non computer savy person fix this? to them, that's a hassle... they just wanted to power up and play a game but can't and might get frustrated from it.

we're familiar with pc's and for most people, there aren't many issues that come up...but with all the random configs out there, there's just so many more chances for things to go wrong for the most random reason. a pc just isn't as convenient as a console for the general population who don't know crap about pc's

 

[ItsTheNew]

But you helped her choose the parts.

...And you can ask someone you know or the Neogaf PC thread?

 

[samn]

Doesn't make sense to me. Is it just a thing with having to validate your console purchases with exclusives? Why the hell do I care if PC people get to play something I'm interested in on Xbox? Now with Play Anywhere I can play a lot of the stuff I buy for my Xbox on my PC also.... THE HORROR!

If you already have a PC, and you just don't have any other uses for the Xbox in this scenario, then don't buy one. You have to buy one less piece of hardware and MS keeps you in their ecosystem still purchasing games. This is bad? And Sony would be going in this direction also if they were in MS' spot with both Windows and Xbox.

Honestly, Microsoft can't please anyone. Either they're gimping PC gaming or the Xbox is worthless because you can get the games on PC also. Fanboy nonsense.

I'm not some whining fanboy. I'm expressing some thoughts on the potential success on Microsoft's strategy. jesus christ you don't need to go off on one about it.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Do you want to spend 600 bucks, plug something into your tv and never question anything again? Just play games and watch Netflix? buy Scorpio

This is me

Although I'm considering a good laptop to play Civ V and VI

 

[Chill Penguin]

I have absolutely no desire to fiddle around with drivers and what not. Scorpio without a doubt for me.

 

[Collateral22]

Not true for me either. Have a good PC, still want a Scorpio. I do get that other people would make different decisions though.

Fair enough but there is no reason for me to. Each to their own I guess.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

What's with the paranoia around Scorpio? I mean this idea that it has no exclusive just because you can play the games on a pc? I reckon most people would have to shell out more money then Scorpio is going to cost for a beefed up gaming pc. Going by that since you can't play these games on any other console it kinda still makes the games exclusive not everyone wants to build a pc or worry about upgrading it every time a new card comes out. Some people might still like the idea of a closed powerful box they upgrade every 4 years.

 

[petran79]

some people simply just don't get computers. it's really that simple. following tutorials is easy to setup a pc, but there's just a lot more things that can go wrong for various reasons with a pc.

for instance, my usb wifi adapter doesn't have a working driver for windows 10. i can't even go online via wifi. i know other methods to try and fix this, basically searching google for driver solutions, but some people wouldn't know wtf to do.

what happens when a new game comes out and the drivers aren't right and the game runs like crap and you need to install a beta driver to resolve it? how does a non computer savy person fix this? to them, that's a hassle... they just wanted to power up and play a game but can't and might get frustrated from it.

we're familiar with pc's and for most people, there aren't many issues that come up...but with all the random configs out there, there's just so many more chances for things to go wrong for the most random reason. a pc just isn't as convenient as a console for the general population who don't know crap about pc's

The difficult thing when building a PC is when you have to do all from scratch.
Connect motherboard, cables, hard disk, add CPU, custom cooler, etc
I did it once and would never repeat it again. It took me and my dad over 4 hours. Also we were fortunate that all the bought parts worked.

Recently I did another motherboard upgrade but decided to send the PC to the store instead. Wise decision. Except avoiding a tiresome session, the new motherboard was defective and they had to order a new one. Had I bought it myself it would be a hassle. Store ordered it from their own retail providers and it was easier to bring it back. How could I know if it was the motherboard, the CPU, the PSU etc that were defective? They had many motherboards to try it out.

But once the main rig is ready it is easier to swap parts like RAM, GPU, hard disks etc. The difficult part is assembling it. But really, this is my last major upgrade. The way things turn out, I am better off with a new laptop. Currently have one but it is beginning to show its age.

 

[Anton Sugar]

What's with the paranoia around Scorpio? I mean this idea that it has no exclusive just because you can play the games on a pc? I reckon most people would have to shell out more money then Scorpio is going to cost for a beefed up gaming pc. Going by that since you can't play these games on any other console it kinda still makes the games exclusive not everyone wants to build a pc or worry about upgrading it every time a new card comes out. Some people might still like the idea of a closed powerful box they upgrade every 4 years.

Also, maybe I missed something, but Play Anywhere is an MS initiative that third parties don't have to use whatsoever, right? It's mostly for first party games at this point, right?

My favorite and most-played games aren't first party nor exclusives.

 

[Eumi]

I'll accept pc as the better option when I can be sure that a game will work when I buy it. That is not the case right now so I'll stick with consoles.

 

[Sarobi]

If you think PC is the better option, then it probably is.

 

[Trup1aya]

Sigh... The beauty of it is you can choose whichever hardware makes sense for you.

Some people prefer consoles (plug-n-play, portable, streamlined interface for multimedia, no tinkering for optimal performance, less cheating, etc)

Others prefer PC (multiple storefronts, mod support, customizable hardware, cheaper software , more software to choose from, etc)

It boils down to your personal preference. The idea that buying a gaming PC is the ideal solution for everyone is asinine

 

[Dr. Buni]

Choosing between PC and any current console, PC is the only way, really.

 

[Ozium]

Games with launchers that need a mouse to navigate, DRM on top of DRM, not being able to launch Xbox games easily from Steam Big Picture Mode, driver updates needing keyboard+mouse, mandatory Windows 10 updates, etc.

who the fuck downloads keyboard and mouse driver updates in 2016?

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

Also, maybe I missed something, but Play Anywhere is an MS initiative that third parties don't have to use whatsoever, right? It's mostly for first party games at this point, right?

My favorite and most-played games aren't first party nor exclusives.

Yeah majority of mainstream gamers buy consoles for third party games. They buy the madden COD generic game to play online with their buddies on PlayStation or Xbox. This whole console exclusive argument is non existent in the large scheme of things.

 

[Collateral22]

You know me personally, so you know that right now building a pc is scary af since I have zero to no knowledge on what I need to do. With a step by step instructions site I might be able to do it sure but it doesn't make it any less scary.

Just chiming in on this, but I felt the exact same way when I made mine. Back in April all my parts came, and I sat there for like 2 days just trying to muster up the courage to make it. Few little bumps here and there but nothing major, with the help of a video and GAF, it was actually a really easy process. Don't let fear stop you if it's something you really want to do.

 

[Novocaine]

who the fuck downloads keyboard and mouse driver updates in 2016?

No one, re-read the post.

 

[jdstorm]

Depends on your budget and how urgently you want to play the games.

Scorpio is going to be somewhere between a rx480 and a 1070 most likely so that's 2-4 hundred dollars just for an equivalent GPU of a console that will be out next year