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CIA-Style "Black Sites"...in Chicago.

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TheJLC said:
the building they are talking about is not a black site. It is not hidden from the public, it just isn't open to the public. There are squad cars parked in front, uniformed officers walking in an out all day. There is no torturing when there are hundreds of officers, federal agents, city employees walking in and out to and from court, to jobs, and other duties. The building is home to many specialized units which is why it is not open to the public.

The mayor himself used to proudly show off all the confiscated weapons in news briefings in that building. I have walked those halls too and there is no torturing going on especially on such a grand scale as many of those articles that came out a few months ago imply. Lol
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thoughts on the denial of basic constitutional rights or specific abuses to specific people outlined in the OP? do you feel everything is okay because there isn't torture happening "on such a grand scale"? Is just a lillbit okay with you so long as it's not a lot?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
thoughts on the denial of basic constitutional rights or specific abuses to specific people outlined in the OP? do you feel everything is okay because there isn't torture happening "on such a grand scale"? Is just a lillbit okay with you so long as it's not a lot?
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Gentleman Jack said:
Yeah no torture, just systemic abuses of civil rights on a disproportionately minority population.

lol so funny lololol
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It simply isn't happening. Not, it isn't happening at a grand scale. The media portrayed it when the articles first came out like there are thousands in there, when there was nobody inside there. Many of the claims made by plaintiffs on allegations of torture at homan square have been defeated in civil court, the investigations and ultimately the sentences were held up in court. This isn't a Burge facility.

Frankly this isn't a black site where people go in and are never heard of. This place is a warehouse of the department where special teams are located, evidence is held, and police can stay fit.

And I found it funny because I had literally just come out of that building a few hours earlier when those articles came out. So yeah, it's funny because I have seen with my eyes what happens in there and can compare and contrast that with the article and laugh at the stupidity being spewed.
 
The Albatross said:
Where is the political fallout for this? You see plenty of posts in here "America is dystopian police state," but let's be clear here.. This is Chicago, Illinois, and involves the Chicago PD, a strong hold of Democratic power politics and progressive labor unions. This isn't a covert, black ops, under the radar CIA site with dubious constitutional backing and underground black books keeping it financed... This is democratically elected mayors, councilmen/women, and selectmen in a supposedly liberal, progressive city, involved with a group represented by a high-profile democratic, liberal labor union.

I don't live in Chicago or Illinois, but I'd be outraged if this were happening in my city, with organizations that I'm tacitly in support of (e.g., local politicians, labor unions). Is there motivation to change this?
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You do know that Chicago is the most segregated city in the US, right?

Was called it in 2012 and again in 2015.
 
Rembrandt said:
You do know that Chicago is the most segregated city in the US, right?

Was called it in 2012 and again in 2015.
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Well, no, I didn't know that, but... still? It's a very liberal, progressive city... And the city government is still widely liberal and democratic. What mechanisms within the city are preventing abuses like this from ending?
 
The Albatross said:
Well, no, I didn't know that, but... still? It's a very liberal, progressive city... And the city government is still widely liberal and democratic. What mechanisms within the city are preventing abuses like this from ending?
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glow said:
What's your point?
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i think segregation allows people to ignore what happens there. may be wrong, but there's a lot that could be done to help on the south and west side.
 
TheJLC said:
It simply isn't happening. Not, it isn't happening at a grand scale. The media portrayed it when the articles first came out like there are thousands in there, when there was nobody inside there. Many of the claims made by plaintiffs on allegations of torture at homan square have been defeated in civil court, the investigations and ultimately the sentences were held up in court. This isn't a Burge facility.

Frankly this isn't a black site where people go in and are never heard of. This place is a warehouse of the department where special teams are located, evidence is held, and police can stay fit.

And I found it funny because I had literally just come out of that building a few hours earlier when those articles came out. So yeah, it's funny because I have seen with my eyes what happens in there and can compare and contrast that with the article and laugh at the stupidity being spewed.
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Like, I get that shit is made up likely all the time in the name of a scoop or sensationalism, but if you've got repeat cases from different people coming forward talking about the abuse they've suffered, lack of access to legal representation etc, when I can't recall seeing a story quite like this for any other non CIA/federal building before, you can understand why some people might think there's something to these claims, even if it isn't on a scale the likes the Guardian is claiming. Also, you're involved in law enforcement in that area, why would you confirm these allegations?
 
Rembrandt said:
i think segregation allows people to ignore what happens there. may be wrong, but there's a lot that could be done to help on the south and west side.
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You're kind of implying that minorities can't stand up for themselves here and only white people can help shut it down. That's the only reason I can see for bringing segregation into the conversation.

I'm not sure public perception would be any different if this building was located in Lincoln Park, Bucktown or downtown. It's the fact that it exists period, not because it's located on the West side. Let's be honest, finding a cheap location for this site would be much easier in a fairly desolate area like this part of the west side.

And yes, white people do care about this. Also let's not forget one of the most vocal people detained at Holman square in early reports was a white guy
 
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