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Civilization V Brave New World |OT| More than Content Tourism
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GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
I find Science to also be pretty easy. Culture takes some doing given that you have to overwhelm everyone else's crap with your Tourism now.
AnotherNils
Member
Wait, Admirals give attack bonuses? I have no idea how I missed that. I remember thinking they should but for some reason thought they didn't.
Ah well.
I agree with Science being easy. On this last game I've started I've disabled it and also extended the turn limit since I hit that for the first time last game.
I've heard a few people mention playing on Epic length. Why the preference? Is it a make every unit count kind of thing (since they can't be quickly replaced)? I've played most of my games on quick, but the last one was on normal and I wasn't surprised I won by score at turn 500.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Passive 15% to all naval units w/in two tiles, just like the Great Generals.
Slows everything down. Enemy can't zerg you (and you can't zerg them back), wars take real time, and you won't be popping tech every other turn and getting sick of upgrading crap every few turns. Workers don't get bored. Empires don't get huge in a few decades. You have time to do some real strategy. You don't blow through the Rennaisance and Industrial eras.
It also makes those bonuses count. Who cares if your science/production bonuses just trim a few turns off... but when they trim off 10~11 turns, they're worth fighting over. You can set people back a good 50~75 turns by fucking up all their tiles and cities. On a multiplayer game, everyone cooperates for that very reason.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
So I'm in the middle of my first game as Venice, on Prince level, and its like 1736 AD give or take and I'm losing horribly.
Started out good enough, got my merchant of venice early and bought a nearby city state. I even got a few early wonders. But as the game went on I found myself lagging far, far behind everyone else. I mean, I've been in last place on the scoreboard for like nearly the entire game. After buying my second city state with a merchant I found myself in a happiness conundrum, and unable to even use my third merchant at all until I researched some happiness techs and built a few zoos and such. I even made some mercantile city state allies to boost my happiness. But I'm behind in research, cities, military power. I haven't gotten a wonder in over 1000 years because Darius has been eating them all up before I even research the techs to make them. I only have a few city state allies because Greece has most of them in his back pocket, and I simply can't compete with him on that front. I'm not earning enough culture from my meager couple of cities (with only three early wonders) to buy policies quick enough to help me out. I'm going to lose this game in any number of ways, and I'm going to lose it badly, and I'm not entirely sure how as Venice I could have played it any differently.
Yeah, I'm not sure I like Venice's gameplay styel in Civ V, lol. Way too limiting for me. Maybe I'm just playing them wrong...
Started out good enough, got my merchant of venice early and bought a nearby city state. I even got a few early wonders. But as the game went on I found myself lagging far, far behind everyone else. I mean, I've been in last place on the scoreboard for like nearly the entire game. After buying my second city state with a merchant I found myself in a happiness conundrum, and unable to even use my third merchant at all until I researched some happiness techs and built a few zoos and such. I even made some mercantile city state allies to boost my happiness. But I'm behind in research, cities, military power. I haven't gotten a wonder in over 1000 years because Darius has been eating them all up before I even research the techs to make them. I only have a few city state allies because Greece has most of them in his back pocket, and I simply can't compete with him on that front. I'm not earning enough culture from my meager couple of cities (with only three early wonders) to buy policies quick enough to help me out. I'm going to lose this game in any number of ways, and I'm going to lose it badly, and I'm not entirely sure how as Venice I could have played it any differently.
Yeah, I'm not sure I like Venice's gameplay styel in Civ V, lol. Way too limiting for me. Maybe I'm just playing them wrong...
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Except for the income from extra trade routes, I honestly find playing as Austria or Greece to be more entertaining if you want to become the lord of City-States. Or India if you just want to want to run a three city game. Venice is cute for one game for the giggles, I can't imagine going for any victory with them beyond maybe science or diplomatic. You can't do culture... everyone else is going to whip your ass on wonders so you'll never have the art for your museum. I'm not even sure if Domination is possible given that you just have to raze everything... how do you raze a capital? Hmm... sounds like I have an experiment for the weekend.
Does anybody know of a basic guide for a culture victory? I saw a few pages ago or so Frag said to avoid working specialists towards one of the great people until much later in the game, stuff like that. It's the only victory type I haven't done so far and I haven't yet played a game as Brazil, so thought I'd try that on Immortal next game.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I play on epic because even standard is toooo fast. I feel like I'm jumping periods before I've even deployed a newly acquired unit. Everything get obsolete within a few turns it feels like on standard. I want the different periods to last, and actually feel like full games in them selves. I like my civ 5 games to take a few days to play through.
It sucks when you embark an army to conquer someone on a different continent, and the units are already obsolete when they get there. I played my last game on Epic, it was...epic. I was still able to way out tech most of the AI civs on King though, Battleships and subs vs. privateers and frigates. They didn't stand a chance.
AnotherNils
Member
I think you guys are way better than me. My last game I started a war with subs knowing I'd need to research battleships before I could finish it. It was a long wait...
Still, I'm intrigued. Depending how long this normal/huge game lasts I might give one a shot. YOu guys certainly didn't let me down on the archipelago recommendation.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Not sure how you play, but by Late industrial I am hitting 1000+ Beakers, making a mostly vertical empire (3 major cities, sometimes more if i see needed resources pop up outside my territory). I also usually have 4 or 5 great scientist just hanging around doing nothing (as there worth increases as your science output increase, i believe they are valued at the average of the last 8 turns of science output) Worthless to use them for academies unless its really early in the game. When I hit the atomic era I unleash my scientist to quickly clean up tech im short on (or let my spies still it) or use them to push forward to tech I need at the moment.
If you have rainforst near you you are golden, Build trading post on every tile and watch the science pour in once you have education. I had one city, surrounded by rain forest and next to a lone mountain. By the end of the game the city alone was producing more science than any other AI in the game.
Epic is easier than standard and quick, it forces you to use your units and build order intelligently, something the AI can't do.
And rainforst can generate a lot of science, that's for sure. But also zero hammers. If your capital starts in a rainforst, you have to cut that down. At least half of it.
Still on my random immortal game as Siam btw. The game is taking an insane amount of time. I'm in the 1920's now and I can only play about 20 turns per evening. But, things are finally looking up. After a failed invasion of Ethiopia (1 city conquered, damn that unique ability) I saw the Nuclear age was approaching and that India didn't like me. 1+1=2, India needed to go down. 15 turns later I owned his three biggest cities and got the achievement for taking petra with a landship. A complete surprise btw, always cool when something like that happens.
And rainforst can generate a lot of science, that's for sure. But also zero hammers. If your capital starts in a rainforst, you have to cut that down. At least half of it.
Still on my random immortal game as Siam btw. The game is taking an insane amount of time. I'm in the 1920's now and I can only play about 20 turns per evening. But, things are finally looking up. After a failed invasion of Ethiopia (1 city conquered, damn that unique ability) I saw the Nuclear age was approaching and that India didn't like me. 1+1=2, India needed to go down. 15 turns later I owned his three biggest cities and got the achievement for taking petra with a landship. A complete surprise btw, always cool when something like that happens.
Pagusas
Elden Member
The hammer problem, at least in the early game, is easily fixed by using your trade routes (with a workshop) to send hammers to the city thats short on them. Makes things easy. I honestly think the trade routes kind of broke part of the game. They make late game cities super easy to populate and get running, and when you are short on cash they are a quick fix. Almost always too easy
And thats the problem with Civ (5 particularly, but they all suffer from it) once you start seeing how the AI works, how the systems are setup to counterbalance things, the game becomes super easy. Luckily I dont really play to be challenged, I play to build my empire.
Fragamemnon
Member
The hammer problem, at least in the early game, is easily fixed by using your trade routes (with a workshop) to send hammers to the city thats short on them. Makes things easy. I honestly think the trade routes kind of broke part of the game. They make late game cities super easy to populate and get running, and when you are short on cash they are a quick fix. Almost always too easy
workshops are not early game and the hammer benefit is really bad unless it's a sea route.
I'm firmly in the 'jungle sucks' camp. I can make a billion beakers with plains, hills, or grassland in a reasonable timeframe. Getting hammers out of a jungle city is like pulling teeth.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Sea Routes are the ONLY trade route you should ever be doing, Caravans are completely useless unless you are land locked (which I never ever am, I always build on the coast).
I consider workshops early/midish game, I guess medieval era is kinda mid, but still its one of the first jump points I have, especially if you used the Great Library to jump to Iron Working early.
Venice can still puppet cities, and crucially it can buy with gold even in puppeted cities. Considering the fact that you will make a ton of money off the double trade routes Venice you can utilize your puppets fairly well.
In fact, I'd say Venice is actually excellent for late game Domination if you can get a strong start. First of all, City states tend to build large armies which you receive when you buy them out.
Secondly, other civs require reinforcements from your cities or annexing conquered cities to build troops there, which is hard to do because of happiness and social policy costs, as well as being slowe (because of the revolt turns). Venice can puppet and buy units immediately straight on the front line.
Warmongering as Venice is especially ridiculous if you get Commerce, Big Ben and Autocracy, which will let you purchase units extremely cheap. In BNW you end up making lots of gold, especially as Venice, so you will be able to just grow an army on the front line. Finally, a city state taken by a Merchant of Venice is the perfect landing spot on another continent, as it comes with it's own army and potentially deprives whoever it is you're trying to kill from an ally.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
You know, when I wrote the post you quoted, admittedly a few hours ago, I'd completely forgotten about puppeting. I am getting old.
marvelharvey
Member
Seems that a small patch has been released...
CRASH
Fixed a crash that could occur when users try to replace a farm with another improvement (like a Holy Place, Manufactory, etc.).
Fixed a crash with the World Wrap when moving naval units across it (primarily on Windows 8, the FX draw could cause a crash due to memory constraints).
Fixed a crash when attempting to unlock the Raiders of the Lost Ark achievement. This affected only human Washington players who were completing an Archaeological Dig in neutral territory.
Fixed a crash that could occur during the AI turn if a city that had connected trade routes was razed.
Fixed some additional random crashes found via Steam Reporting.
AI
The number of Archaeologists built by the AI is now more reasonable.
Correct error in flavor changes for ranged unit construction strategies.
Espionage AI: Correct an issue that was causing the AI to assign diplomats improperly when there were no valid targets.
Tactical AI - Pillaging: Update tactical AI to include targeting Citadels and non-resource tiles for pillaging, to prioritize closer targets over farther targets, and to prefer to use damaged units (so they get the healing benefit).
BALANCE
Allow Wats to be purchased with Faith by Siam (instead of Universities).
UI
When pressing escape, the tech tree now uses the same close logic as hitting F6 or the close button. This was previously causing the pop-up system to fail in-game. After the error occurred, no more pop-ups would be shown until it is cleared by reloading, or by hitting "F6" multiple times. This would be most noticeable when capturing an enemy city and the player would not be able to choose to annex, puppet, or raze, as it would just annex it automatically.
Audio sliders now move in increments in 1 (was 10) and display as a percentage. Fixed how the Slider control moves based on keyboard and scrollwheel input so that it correctly uses the WheelSteps property.
The Declare War UI now displays whether the players have created a declaration of friendship or denounced each other. There's also now a turn counter specifying how long the Declaration of Friendship or Denouncement has left.
GAMEPLAY
Fixed a bug causing all "Victory" achievements to stop functioning for the base game and Gods and Kings.
Fix the "Dr Livingstone" achievement.
Fix the "Pickett's Recharge" achievement.
Fix a bug that was causing Barbarians to not properly target civilian units.
Fix "Greed is Good" achievement. No longer unlocks when the AI fulfills the requirements.
Fix the Venetian Great Galleass so that it can no longer both Melee and Range attack.
Fix cases where Cite-State units weren't being marked properly as dangerous or friendly. These could cause workers to wake up (or ignore danger) incorrectly.
MODDING
DLL connecters now link properly. Custom built DLL mods would previously not load properly (since last update).
Fix "flibby" antiquity sites bug that can occur when using a World Builder map that has pre-defined antiquity sites.
EXPLOIT
Venice can no longer annex cities through the Strategic View.
Venice can no longer annex cities that were previously their puppet, captured by another player, then recaptured as Venice.
MULTIPLAYER
Fix an issue that can occur when you start an MP game with AI players, and that AI meets a City-State, and if a human then joins the game and takes over that AI slot, the game prevents the human from moving into the City-State territory without declaring war.
Allow the game to read-in custom maps from any maps directory, not just the main game maps directory.
Unlocked the rest of the map-scripts for multiplayer play (there were some that were previously not hooked in from earlier releases) ContinentsPlus, Donut, PangaeaPlus, Sandstorm, Highlands, Lakes, Terra.
CRASH
Fixed a crash that could occur when users try to replace a farm with another improvement (like a Holy Place, Manufactory, etc.).
Fixed a crash with the World Wrap when moving naval units across it (primarily on Windows 8, the FX draw could cause a crash due to memory constraints).
Fixed a crash when attempting to unlock the Raiders of the Lost Ark achievement. This affected only human Washington players who were completing an Archaeological Dig in neutral territory.
Fixed a crash that could occur during the AI turn if a city that had connected trade routes was razed.
Fixed some additional random crashes found via Steam Reporting.
AI
The number of Archaeologists built by the AI is now more reasonable.
Correct error in flavor changes for ranged unit construction strategies.
Espionage AI: Correct an issue that was causing the AI to assign diplomats improperly when there were no valid targets.
Tactical AI - Pillaging: Update tactical AI to include targeting Citadels and non-resource tiles for pillaging, to prioritize closer targets over farther targets, and to prefer to use damaged units (so they get the healing benefit).
BALANCE
Allow Wats to be purchased with Faith by Siam (instead of Universities).
UI
When pressing escape, the tech tree now uses the same close logic as hitting F6 or the close button. This was previously causing the pop-up system to fail in-game. After the error occurred, no more pop-ups would be shown until it is cleared by reloading, or by hitting "F6" multiple times. This would be most noticeable when capturing an enemy city and the player would not be able to choose to annex, puppet, or raze, as it would just annex it automatically.
Audio sliders now move in increments in 1 (was 10) and display as a percentage. Fixed how the Slider control moves based on keyboard and scrollwheel input so that it correctly uses the WheelSteps property.
The Declare War UI now displays whether the players have created a declaration of friendship or denounced each other. There's also now a turn counter specifying how long the Declaration of Friendship or Denouncement has left.
GAMEPLAY
Fixed a bug causing all "Victory" achievements to stop functioning for the base game and Gods and Kings.
Fix the "Dr Livingstone" achievement.
Fix the "Pickett's Recharge" achievement.
Fix a bug that was causing Barbarians to not properly target civilian units.
Fix "Greed is Good" achievement. No longer unlocks when the AI fulfills the requirements.
Fix the Venetian Great Galleass so that it can no longer both Melee and Range attack.
Fix cases where Cite-State units weren't being marked properly as dangerous or friendly. These could cause workers to wake up (or ignore danger) incorrectly.
MODDING
DLL connecters now link properly. Custom built DLL mods would previously not load properly (since last update).
Fix "flibby" antiquity sites bug that can occur when using a World Builder map that has pre-defined antiquity sites.
EXPLOIT
Venice can no longer annex cities through the Strategic View.
Venice can no longer annex cities that were previously their puppet, captured by another player, then recaptured as Venice.
MULTIPLAYER
Fix an issue that can occur when you start an MP game with AI players, and that AI meets a City-State, and if a human then joins the game and takes over that AI slot, the game prevents the human from moving into the City-State territory without declaring war.
Allow the game to read-in custom maps from any maps directory, not just the main game maps directory.
Unlocked the rest of the map-scripts for multiplayer play (there were some that were previously not hooked in from earlier releases) ContinentsPlus, Donut, PangaeaPlus, Sandstorm, Highlands, Lakes, Terra.
Pagusas
Elden Member
"Fixed a crash when attempting to unlock the Raiders of the Lost Ark achievement. This affected only human Washington players who were completing an Archaeological Dig in neutral territory."
Thank god, this one was killing me. I like playing America as its so easy to block people off and grab land.
Fragamemnon
Member
Completely false. In a domination game-heck, any game with mid to late game war- a random non-allied CS caravel can completely wreck you during a war, where as land trade routes with the remnants of a conquered Civ is safe and secure. They can also still bring in decent cash, you just have to develop a city that's amenable for it.
edit: also the idea of a coastal jungle city with any production seems completely pie in the sky. You lose half your workable tiles to ocean, and the rest jungle? I mean, sure there might be decent food w/ fish and bananas but unless you spend time clearing off hills you are getting nowhere. Also I'm pretty sure trading posting jungles takes approximately one billion turns without liberty/pyramid buffs.
hypersheep
Member
Finally finished that Sweden game by science. Domination took too long because Shaka completed Manhattan and was dropping abombs all across his former territory, causing huge setbacks until I could pass nuclear non-proliferation. The war dragged on for a real long time because it was hard to build up a proper airforce on the other continent. Every time I attempted to buy an airforce in my one annexed city of Sukhotai, it got nuked by Shaka. Eventually I ended the game with science on turn 436.
AnotherNils
Member
Oh thank god. I hope that's my problem.
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In game news, I think I've run into the infamous Nabunaga charm. He attacked me earlier on (Turn 100?) sent a couple of Triremes to my newish seaside settlement, had them wiped and did nothing for the next 100 turns (outside of send a settler, which hells no). Every peace attempt was met with derision. Dude, if you want war, do something.
On the other side of the continent, the AI continues to stump me. Made friends with Catherine who had like 7 or so cities, which I can't understand how she's not drowning in unhappiness (even if the pops are low). Then she walks a good amount to plop a city just south of my capital. After amassing a small set of forces there, she declares war, which is WTF. Luckily I had made two defensive pacts, though one of them was with the worthless India. Still I don't get the betrayal (We had a DoF).
Anyway, the world hates her.
Catherine is a scheming asshole in all the games.
AnotherNils
Member
My first game with her.
I forgot to add she wasted a research agreement in attacking me. She had India and Arabia closer, too (and while I'm weak, India is a joke). It was completely stupid. I've been behind on tech most of the game. Getting the crap beaten out of me on wonders.
On the bright side, I learned that you can hold off forces when outnumbered 2-to-1 f you just set-up defensively and wait for attacks and are surrounded by jungle.
But then ~half your tiles aren't jungle. And the huuuge amount of beakers is reduced a lot.
Still, I'm only half in the jungles suck camp. Started a game with brazil were 3 quarters of my tiles were jungle, the rest were a combination of gold/silver and normal hills. That city was kind of awesome with sacred path, brazilwood and a university.
So I was playing one of those mod scenarios with a humongous Earth map and accurate start locations, and Catherine was my nemesis the entire game. First of all her expansion was ridiculous. I was Greece, and had taken out Rome and Germany early, and at one point she had almost all of Scandinavia, and everything east of Warsaw and Bucharest to the point where she took most of Mongolia and India, and like a third of the Ottoman empire, and then also had substantial expansions in western and southern Africa. She had the strongest military basically the entire game, and had flight by the time I got gunpowder. With the exception of like 20 turns after a war we had, her score was higher than mine the entire game.
Of course, since I was Greece, diplomatic victory was a lock because city states.
Architechnophile
Member
If anyone can translate, I'd be interested to hear what this means.
Damnit.
Every leader has a file with flavors, a sort of bias towards various strategies and behaviours in the game, from bullying city-states to backstabbing and building units. Each unit type has a different flavor: naval, air, mobile, ranged, naval, and others. Apparently, the line you quoted means the game had a problem with the strategy followed by the AI when building ranged units. Units are built according to the unit flavor and the strategy being followed by the AI (offensive, defensive, city defense, recon, etc), so it's variable in game, increasing or decreasing by 2 depending on what has happened.
Flavors go from 1 to any number, with maximum value being 10, but some values are >10 because they can be decreased in game. A value of 12 and above guarantees that it'll always be at 10.
A running joke in the series is Gandhi's nuke flavor. Due to a programming error in the first Civ, Gandhi was a pacifist right until he adopted democracy, from which point he got a roll with maximum flavor for aggression.
He's been a nuke lover in every game ever since, as you can see in his Civ 5 leader file:
<LeaderType>LEADER_GANDHI</LeaderType>
<FlavorType>FLAVOR_NUKE</FlavorType>
<Flavor>12</Flavor>
hypersheep
Member
I was playing a game as Indonesia where I was trying to get the "Enemy Blade No more" achievement where you take a capital with a Kris Swordsmen with the enemy blade achievement. But the funny thing was that I kept on building and buying Kris swordsmen and throwing into battle but would keeping getting all these great promotions like "Heroism" or "Invulnerability". The worst I got were Ambition and Recruitment. And then I quit the game because the time window where the achievement was feasible was gone.
Completely agree with Frag on his points. Coastal trade works provided you have good enough coastal trade partners to go with. In-land trade is more reliable and improves significantly as roads and road networks improve. It's a monster once RR is up.
And yes, jungle sucks. The only good jungle is an unimproved or chopped jungle. Or maybe when you have a worker that's not doing anything, at which point the benefit of a single tile improvement is minimal. I always leave masses of jungle unchopped though, in case the AI wants to invade.
Speaking of leader flavors - Gengis Kahn is a fucking asshole.
He declares that I'm his best friend, then ten turns later he calls me up: "Sorry about this, but that DOF was a big lol and now we're at war". When I beat his catapults and pikesmen he sues for peace. I didn't have the economy to keep fighting him so I agreed.
~50 turns later we're still at peace, he has a couple of caravans into my cities and I have one cargo ship into his capital, but suddenly I see five catapults and four swordsmen lining up on my border. For some reason he just keeps shuffling them near my border for ten turns or so, giving me enough time to build up a big army. My pal Rahmankangkansnanaah tells me Genghis is a proper bully and wants us to go to war against him and I of course agree.
Five turns later Genghis' armies are gone and this time all his cities and improvements will be burned, pillaged and razed. He will be mourned by none and I will make his capital into a monument of his foolishness.
He declares that I'm his best friend, then ten turns later he calls me up: "Sorry about this, but that DOF was a big lol and now we're at war". When I beat his catapults and pikesmen he sues for peace. I didn't have the economy to keep fighting him so I agreed.
~50 turns later we're still at peace, he has a couple of caravans into my cities and I have one cargo ship into his capital, but suddenly I see five catapults and four swordsmen lining up on my border. For some reason he just keeps shuffling them near my border for ten turns or so, giving me enough time to build up a big army. My pal Rahmankangkansnanaah tells me Genghis is a proper bully and wants us to go to war against him and I of course agree.
Five turns later Genghis' armies are gone and this time all his cities and improvements will be burned, pillaged and razed. He will be mourned by none and I will make his capital into a monument of his foolishness.
Haha I did the exact same thing to Ghengiz in my current game. Only I was the agressor because he kept taking over city states.
My game hasn't been friendly to city states at all btw, about 12 are left from the 22 we started with. Austria, Ethiopia and China have killed every single city state on their continent. But we also have a twin city - city state due to my war with India and my complete and utter anihilation of his military until I was able to propose peace. Always fun when that happens.
Still in the Random Siam game btw. It is won, I'm points leader and I could just cruise it for about 100 turns until I win.
In stead, I'm starting WW3. My first Civ5 big modern war. It's pretty cool. Only I had no idea how precious aluminium was to the modern warmonger. I beelined Stealth Bombers but was only able to upgrade one of my bomber because I had to many Modern Armors and Rocket Artillery. Building mines on pillaged or unused aluminium like crazy to get more.
Going for Conquest, seeing as how all other victory conditions except for points have been disabled. Would have been able to get a science or diplo victory by now.
So my current target is China, who is holding 3 of the worlds capitals, including their own. Already got Portugals capital and revived them back in the world after 300 years of living under the Chinese yoke. Next up: The Celts. I don't think they even made it to 1 AD.
I love the new diplomacy by the way, warmongering is still very much an option. You just have to denounce before you declare war and focus on liberating or getting cities through peace deals. I've taken India's top 3 cities, but we're friends because I liberated 2 cities on faraway continents. I don't even have the warmongering malus.
Pretty cool, my first Immortal victory ever (after playing civ for over 18 years) is in reach.
My game hasn't been friendly to city states at all btw, about 12 are left from the 22 we started with. Austria, Ethiopia and China have killed every single city state on their continent. But we also have a twin city - city state due to my war with India and my complete and utter anihilation of his military until I was able to propose peace. Always fun when that happens.
Still in the Random Siam game btw. It is won, I'm points leader and I could just cruise it for about 100 turns until I win.
In stead, I'm starting WW3. My first Civ5 big modern war. It's pretty cool. Only I had no idea how precious aluminium was to the modern warmonger. I beelined Stealth Bombers but was only able to upgrade one of my bomber because I had to many Modern Armors and Rocket Artillery. Building mines on pillaged or unused aluminium like crazy to get more.
Going for Conquest, seeing as how all other victory conditions except for points have been disabled. Would have been able to get a science or diplo victory by now.
So my current target is China, who is holding 3 of the worlds capitals, including their own. Already got Portugals capital and revived them back in the world after 300 years of living under the Chinese yoke. Next up: The Celts. I don't think they even made it to 1 AD.
I love the new diplomacy by the way, warmongering is still very much an option. You just have to denounce before you declare war and focus on liberating or getting cities through peace deals. I've taken India's top 3 cities, but we're friends because I liberated 2 cities on faraway continents. I don't even have the warmongering malus.
Pretty cool, my first Immortal victory ever (after playing civ for over 18 years) is in reach.
One Foul Note
Member
He is indeed, their are a few leaders Genghis, Shaka and Attilla are the first to mind, that you can just never trust no matter how friendly they appear. I'm in a multiplayer game currently where I settled fairly near the Zulu land, forgetting that they had both Zeus and the Terracotta Army and what followed is wave after wave of Impi crossing my border and trying to take the settlement while I desperately try to create a line of fortresses to keep them at bay. It was very dramatic stuff.
Yep, even though I hate him now, he certainly makes the gameplay more interesting. The other leaders seem to hate him too, so I can safely raze all his lands without them thinking I'm a warmonger. Or so I hope...
Shaka is agressive, but he's the most loyal guy in the game. Once you're good friends with him, he will never ever betray you.
I had this same problem with Oda Nobunaga. I was Babylon, so my tech was way ahead, but I only had a few powerful military units. Every 15 turns or so Oda would line up on my border and assault into my territory, lose all his guys, then sue for peace. We repeated the cycle 3 times before I finally got sick of it and burned down all of his cities (except for one which he hid behind Brazil on the other side of the world). He spent the rest of the game denouncing me - incapable of rebuilding.
Napoleon is the ultimate scheming cunt for me. He always tries to fuck me over.
AnotherNils
Member
I need to work on my pre-Artillery military game. I am completely gutless.
I think my current game is a wash. I managed to raze two of Catherine's cities, but my military is still weak and barely dented hers, I have no oil resources on my lands (so no planes), my GPT can't buy me a CS, and my strongest Ally, Elizabeth, is suspiciously boxing me in.
Also, I hate William's guts. He's been in like 80% of my games.
I think my current game is a wash. I managed to raze two of Catherine's cities, but my military is still weak and barely dented hers, I have no oil resources on my lands (so no planes), my GPT can't buy me a CS, and my strongest Ally, Elizabeth, is suspiciously boxing me in.
Also, I hate William's guts. He's been in like 80% of my games.
Architechnophile
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Ah, that's super helpful. Thanks for the info!
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
I hunt him down and murder him the second I see him in my game. Same with Atilla. They're always going to become a problem, so might as well get them before they start burning everything. I leave Catherine and Nobunaga to the AI. They can be dealt with by just not doing any deals with them. They'll eventually piss someone else off and they'll get killed by the AIs that don't react well to broken deals... like Suleiman or Bismark.
Gandhi dies the moment I see he's researching the Manhattan Project.
Architechnophile
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Funny how different civs are problematic for different players. I've never had a single issue with Nobunaga, despite all the hate thrown his way. Never been placed near enough to Atilla to have issues, though he's been cranky. And India somehow never survives long enough to get nukes in my games, through no effort of my own.
The last game I finished, Genghis was my bro from our first DoF straight on through to the end. He's rarely an issue for me. Catherine is 50/50. Sometimes she'll pout all game, sometimes we're besties all the way through. Siam is frequently a problem for me, due to placement and rapid growth. Boudicca usually hates me, but ineffectually. Austria ALWAYS hates me, and is usually a real thorn in my side. And Alexander is basically the devil. I've never coexisted with him.
AnotherNils
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Darius seems to always be a dick to me, and William of the Netherlands always turns into a stuck-up prick by end game.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
I agree with you, it is funny.
Siam is only usually an issue with me if they were nearby while I was stomping Atilla or Genghis, whereupon they'll concern-troll me, and I always get along with Alexander as long as I let him have his precious city states. For Maria Theresa, she's somewhere in between Catherine and Gandhi. Always scheming, and always being judgy. I'm constantly after her for spying.
Boudicca is usually only aggressive with me if we have shared borders. Otherwise, she's usually asking to be my ally, but that's probably because of my army.
Strangley, the most aggressive civilization I've noticed now that BNW has come out has been Indonesia. For some reason, that guy starts shit with everyone all at once. I always get denouce messages about him and then there's a bunch of wars.
jaundicejuice
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Playing as Venice and found it to be one of the most boring games of Civ V I have played yet. Randomed an archipelago world, had an island to myself, so I'm just sitting there wonder spamming once I had my trade routes maxed. Using money to buy city improvements and defensive military units while I wonder spam (or try to), hitting next turn over and over without doing anything. Occasionally re-assigning a trade-route.
And then I realised, due to my paranoia about being invaded by Askia, England, Babylon or the Zulus, I had the largest army in the game and became a war mongering asshole. Started picking off the aggressive cities settled on my island by Babylon and the Zulus and then started to take apart the Zulu empire. Then it became fun to play Venice. Can't Annex cities? No problem, no hits to my culture costs and I puppet your empire.
Also anytime the A.I. sues for peace, you have them beat. You have either completely eclipsed their military or wiped it out. That's when I go in for the kill.
And then I realised, due to my paranoia about being invaded by Askia, England, Babylon or the Zulus, I had the largest army in the game and became a war mongering asshole. Started picking off the aggressive cities settled on my island by Babylon and the Zulus and then started to take apart the Zulu empire. Then it became fun to play Venice. Can't Annex cities? No problem, no hits to my culture costs and I puppet your empire.
Also anytime the A.I. sues for peace, you have them beat. You have either completely eclipsed their military or wiped it out. That's when I go in for the kill.
Fragamemnon
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Archipelago anything is pretty boring. With Venice it's not that bad, just buy a CS with a bunch of galeasses already build, oxford navigation, mass upgrade the ships from the CS, and then conquer the world with frigates+privateers.
AnotherNils
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I don't think that's true. Just last night I was warring with Catherine her having the best military me in the bottom half of the world, and she sued for peace several times (offering it irnexchnage for all my cities, then dwindling). I also find they also get desperate when you start doing aggressive things like razing their cities and pillaging their tiles. She stalled me on taking over a third city and I decided I had had enough. She even threw in some gold.
jaundicejuice
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In my near 700 hours of playing I've found the A.I. only sues for peace when there's an extreme imbalance between the military strengths of the two warring Civs. It doesn't matter what the relative position of the A.I.'s military is in the world, if it's anywhere near any of your cities, if they can actually threaten your cities, it doesn't matter. If their army is simply larger than yours by a significant margin and you are at war the A.I. will make ludicrous demands. "Give me all of your cities, strategic and luxury resources, oh and open borders." How the game tallies up military strength is a bit nutty, the A.I. can have a large number of primitive early game units and those will still count towards an A.I.'s military strength despite there being a massive technological gap between those units and the present era.
But if you are winning the war and the A.I. sues you for peace, you likely more than have it on the ropes, should refuse their offer, puppet all of their cities and take their capital city.
But if you are winning the war and the A.I. sues you for peace, you likely more than have it on the ropes, should refuse their offer, puppet all of their cities and take their capital city.
Architechnophile
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I feel like there's a "city risk" modifier in there, somewhere. I've definitely had the AI beg for peace when their force exceeds mine, but I've put one of their cities at risk.