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Climax predicts publisher bail out on PSP
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Aurora said:
Not to go off on too far a tangent, but first: it's not a port, it's a remake (FFIV Advance, FFV Advance, VP:L are ports, DQV PS2, Wild Arms ACF, FFIII are remakes); second, it's never seen a North American release anyway.
Regardless, it's fine because VP:L has, quite thankfully, sold well despite being a port of a game that people largely ignored on the PlayStation.
As to the topic at hand, I already went into detail about my explanation for why I think the PSP software isn't selling well, in the last NPD thread. No need to rehash that. There are a lot of different potential reasons, noting which doesn't change things.
NintendosBooger
Member
The problem with the PSP is that, aside from Loco Roco, it hasn't continuously spawned original and appealing franchises. Look at the Game Boy and Pokemon --- Pokemon doesn't sell nearly as good on the consoles as it does on the handheld.
Sony needs to create handheld only franchises that will rarely, if ever, see the light of day on consoles.
Sony needs to create handheld only franchises that will rarely, if ever, see the light of day on consoles.
ToyMachine228
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Pureauthor said:
When I use my PSP, I don't use it to play games. I use it to listen to music, or watch a UMD on the road like twice a year. And I think there's a lot of people out there who are in the same situation.
Everyone in this thread is saying Sony needs to do this, Sony needs to do that, but it seems pretty clear to me that the only thing lacking is quality games. Sure....it would be nice if the dpad was fixed and battery life was better, but the only thing lacking is good 1st party games and 3rd party games. I wanted to see new content on the PSP, but all Sony was throwing at me was rehashed PS2 games that were actually worse than the originals. The reason I sold my PSP a year ago is because there weren't enough games coming down the pipeline. Sony wasn't even successful at making PSP a proper PS2 portable machine.
binary said:
GTAVCS? MGSPOPS? Lumines 2? Syphon Filter Dark Mirror? Socom? Daxter? There are a good number of high quality games either already released this year or due later this year. The problem with some of the games is that they feel too much like console games, face it, the PSP is essentially a portable PS2 for all intents and purposes, and people often have to make a choice between a PS2 game and a PSP game, having the PS2 still thriving really doesn't help the PSP because there is too much cross platform competition between the two.
monchi-kun
Member
Consumers have spoken....we like living in the handheld ghetto
That's not true, though. The system has an incredible lineup. People aren't complaining about the quality of the games, rather, the fact that those games aren't selling. Unfortunately, as you demonstrate, many people seem to have no clue what the system is offering.
Seeing as a touch screen is fundamentally different from motion control, yeah, I'd say so. Same reason nobody would say that GBA had too many games you could play on home consoles--the likes of Pokemon, Metroid, Castlevania, Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, etc. could all be found on consoles, but in radically different forms from their GBA counterparts.Musashi Wins! said:
pancakesandsex
Member
Legend of Heroes is underrated and awesome.
Everyone saying psp has no rpgs needs to play LoH. Sure alot of what it does has been done before, but that doesnt make it any less charming of a game, Falcom has the magic touch. Too bad noone buys psp games.
Everyone saying psp has no rpgs needs to play LoH. Sure alot of what it does has been done before, but that doesnt make it any less charming of a game, Falcom has the magic touch. Too bad noone buys psp games.
pancakesandsex said:
Bought it. Played it. It's horribly generic and not very good. Decided to give the sequel a shot, so I bought that, played it, it was even worse.
Look, I can't speak for why anyone else, such as the market at large, isn't buying as much PSP software, but I can speak for myself and say why I'm not buying as much (perhaps one can try to frame that as trolling, but in a thread about the games not selling and why, it strikes me as relevant): in a word, RPGs.
I'm a huge fan, it's my favorite genre, it's why the PSX and the PS2 became my two favorite systems and why I have more games for them than any other system. The PSP hasn't delivered. I'm not saying it doesn't have any RPGs, just that it has very, very few, and most of the ones it has are crap (I bought Dungeon Siege but haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, and I'm looking forward to a handful of games that are on the way but not out yet). Until that situation changes, I'm not going to be buying as much PSP software.
And as long as the PSP fanbase is trying to sell me on the idea that shitty RPGs like PoPoLoCrois and Legend of Heroes are worthwhile, "awesome" RPGs, I'm going to continue to just shake my head and sigh. It's not out of a love for Nintendo -- I've disliked most of their systems, and as stated, my two favorite systems are both Sony systems. But I'd like quality RPGs, and the PSP hasn't delivered on that front -- and that's the software that I would be buying but that I'm not because it isn't here.
Jiggy37 said:
The GBA also had the benefit of being two generations removed from the SNES. Kids born after 1995 that bought GBAs in 2001 and onward probably never got to experience Nintendo's ported classics. The PSP and PS2 exist within relatively a similar timeframe, and there is more fanbase overlap.
Shaved Moustache
Banned
Pureauthor said:
High software tie in is bad remember?
Perhaps he actually was referring to Legend of Heroes 6 - Sora no Kiseki FC. I've played FC and SC on the PC and they were pretty solid games. Dunno how the PSP version is, but I've heard it's much better than those awful LoH games released in the US.
I sure as hell wouldn't sell you on those. The PSP is not a good machine for RPGs right now. The BEST RPGs are simply ports. That does not mean the system is lacking in great software, however (it's certainly not).
pancakesandsex
Member
ethelred said:
I dont like popolocrois
I like LoH because i am a fan of falcom, i'd play the pc ones, but the PSP versions are far superior in this case, and in english. That being said, don't touch YS VI on psp, its trash, Gurumin however, is adorable and well done. I'd kill for a port of VM Japan on psp.
frAntic_Frog
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bad games? didnt GTA/Killzone/Lumines2/AceCombat just come out in the last 2 months or so? or do people like to pretend that PSP has no games?
teiresias said:
QFT.
Don't forget that the article says that Sony hasn't had the best attitude when it comes to their 3rd party developers lately. It's like "Here it is. Now make games for it, and don't bother us." I still believe that Nintendo hired a voodoo witch to make the spirit of Yamauchi leave his body and possess the body of Kutaragi.
"People don't know what they want to play." - Yamauchi
"People will want to save for this system." - Kutaragi
Coincedence? I think not.
dark10x said:
Oh... yeah, I'm not going to knock LoH 6, the one actually done by Falcom. I'm just knocking the horrible, horrible Bandai remakes. I've heard Sora no Kiseki is much better, and hopefully that'll get an English release.
dark10x said:
Yeah. Believe me, I'm not criticizing the PSP's software library as a whole... it's definitely got some excellent action, sports, puzzle games... other genres as well. But it's terrible for RPGs, and that's the kind of software I always loved the most on the PSX and PS2. So the PSP isn't achieving the full level of software diversity that its home console brethren did -- at least not in the genre I prefer. And that's why I personally am not buying as much software for it. The DS is delivering for me where I, two years ago, expected the PSP would.
pancakesandsex said:
I'm a fan of Falcom, too, and that's why I was excited for the Legend of Heroes games (despite that they were remade by Bandai). I BOUGHT my PSP for A Tear of Vermillion. And it's a completely below average game. A bad game, I'd go so far as to say. And the follow-up is much worse.
emomoonbase
I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
PSP is too expensive for cheap asses like me.
splattergnome
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-Rogue5- said:
I doubt it - if anything, PSP software sales will even go down when downloadable PSOne games start to compete with PSP games for the same audience and same dollars. I can imagine that many companies would rather sell their old games via that route with minimal conversion costs than create new games for the PSP.
splatty
emomoonbase
I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
PSP is too expensive for cheap asses like me.
monchi-kun
Member
Zer0 said:
is this an attempt to corelate Britney Spears fans to DS gamers?
insert coin and try again please
Chris Michael
Banned
As long as Konami/Namco/Capcom keep making games for the PSP, it will be fine.
NintendosBooger
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Oblivion said:
A lot of successful titles start off as niche.
Also, how many developers are actually taking full advantage of the PSP's capabilities? Look at the DS, without Nintendo software supporting it, the machine would be dead regardless of any third-party support. Square, Capcom, and Konami could even develop exclusively for the DS but without Nintendo to make games for the machine, the DS would be a joke. Nintendo developed software is the reason why the DS is a success. So perhaps all the PSP needs is a very talented, active, and famous developer to make handheld specific games exclusively for the PSP.
slidewinder
Banned
Same here. Seems inevitable though, and has for a while, given the way the games have been (not) selling, whatever the reason for that.Kbsmoker said:I really hope something like this doesn't happen. I really like my PSP and use it every day.
Father_Brain
Banned
The whole DS/PSP war is a fascinating story. Seldom have so many people (both in the gaming industry and on GAF) been so wrong.
Have you LOOKED at the DS software typically available at various retailers? There is so much garbage on the machine and it SELLS extremely well. Some of the great games sell as well, but like the GBA before it, DS is filled with shovelware that sells. The masses HAVE spoken...monchi-kun said:
Chittagong
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teiresias said:
Well, there is not much where they could drop. I mean, there is no product with a 4" screen and an optical drive even close to PSPs price. The processors and Wi-Fi come on top of that.
PSP is worth a lot more than its price when looking at the components, but that's not how consumers thing - but Sony applied the same logic for PS3: 850USD worth of components nobody appreciates to that value.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Kreuzader said:I want to try and get the $170 Black Friday deal at Wal-Mart, or a used one I guess... Metal Gear Portable Ops is pretty much the only title I want for it, and it's hard to justify getting even a handheld for one title
Just quoting this because I dig the avatar. Quake 4 represent.
Also the only PSP game I want is MGS: Portable Ops as well.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I'm sad to say that the PSP has been about as successful as I expected. Which is to say, it's gotten good software and decent sales, but has not overtaken Nintendo.
I do hope a price drop and software price drop keep it going.
Even still, it's been worth it to me, and will continue to be as I have not play half the games I want to that are already out.
I do hope a price drop and software price drop keep it going.
Even still, it's been worth it to me, and will continue to be as I have not play half the games I want to that are already out.
Region-FreeWii
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cvxfreak said:
The hot girl laughing at her DS makes a good point.
dark10x said:
That the PSP's high selling EA and Take 2 shovelware is targetted at a different age bracket doesn't make it any less shovelware than the shit on the DS. Have you looked at the bulk of the top of the PSP charts? The situation's not any prettier there.
Yeah, I'm disgusted by a lot of the stuff topping the DS charts on a monthly basis -- and I've said so two monthly NPD threads in a row. But seriously, man, most of the highest selling PSP games are not any better. Shovelware can be directed at 19 year old males or 10 year old girls and it's still shovelware. Most of the really good stuff, like Capcom or Namco's stuff or even niche Sony games like Field Commander or Loco Rocco, are still being ignored.
Companies bail on the looser. Always do. Look at the Dreamcast or the Cube. It starts off slowly... Sega sports on the Cube.. and it opens the floodgates. First company to stop PSP development will open up the bail out signs
Regardless. It was gonna happen. The Handheld Market Skewers to a younger demographic. Always has. Sony tried to go after the iPod music/techie crowd to counter it. But the PSP doesnt compare to an iPod in terms of a music player. So their product was marketed as a Gameboy/iPod hybrid and didnt do either very well. That was their problem.
Regardless. It was gonna happen. The Handheld Market Skewers to a younger demographic. Always has. Sony tried to go after the iPod music/techie crowd to counter it. But the PSP doesnt compare to an iPod in terms of a music player. So their product was marketed as a Gameboy/iPod hybrid and didnt do either very well. That was their problem.
The reason why I am not buying the PSP is hardware related. The directional pad and square button is atrocious. I played Mega Man Powered Up on a friends PSP and goddamn, the console wouldn't register my directional taps if I wasn't hammering the buttons with force. It's ridiculous. How in the world could this error slip pass the quality control?
I really want this simple error to be fixed so I can play all the great games
I really want this simple error to be fixed so I can play all the great games