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Clinton evades sniper fire in Bosnia

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They played the video on the Today Show this morning and her campaign advisers were all screaming about how it was just "misspoken". Yet, everyone that was after her was like: "She lied, yall!"
 
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gofreak said:
Excepting the 'if' in her statement, she said she misspoke:


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html

All of that, to me, is an admission of being wrong on it.
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It was part of prepared remarks, and she's repeated them several times. And she went into a level of detail - the ceremony was canceled (wrong), they dodged sniper fire (wrong), etc. And then there's this further exaggeration:

As the Clinton campaign now concedes, Sen. Clinton's claims about running from their military aircraft to evade sniper fire are not borne out by the video of the events in question. Now still others have come forward to dispute her account. And there's even more. Sen. Clinton has said on a number of occasions that she was "the first, you know, high- profile American to go into Bosnia after the peace accords were signed because we wanted to show that the United States was 100 percent behind the agreement."

But this also seems to incorrect.

According to some quick research we did, it turns out that Madeleine Albright, then UN Ambassador, then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs John Shalikashvili, then-Sec Def Bill Perry, various members of Congress and President Clinton himself had all visited Tuzla a few months earlier.

I think the real story here though is the big picture. People have faulty memories. Things get dramatized in people's recollections. And despite what happened on the ground, they did do one of those evasive 'cork-screw' descents [see update below] meant to guard against taking incoming fire, a relatively routine measure in conflict and post-conflict settings but one that I'm sure made everyone on board feel palpably that this wasn't some flight to Paris or Madrid. But this is an anecdote that's become something close to a staple of her foreign policy experience resume. And it's pretty clearly false. And it comes in the context of a whole slew of exaggerations -- some minor, some major -- that she's used to puff up her Commander-in-Chief resume.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185322.php

So it's not a matter of mis-speaking. She lied, repeatedly, and embellished the lie with other lies. And she's spinning that away as saying she "misspoke" and got some details wrong.
 
BotoxAgent said:
yup, a tell-tale sign of a bad leader.

She seems to live in her own kind of reality, just like Bush.
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To quote a famous Mythbuster, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
 
MassiveAttack said:
???

She's been pedaling the same misstatement for months. If I make the same "misstatement" over and over again, at what point does it move from misstated facts to an outright lie?
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It was a lie if she knew otherwise (and i'm sure she did), lies often are misstatements :p

My point is just that, coming from a politician, what she has said about it is to my eyes an admission that what she said was incorrect. Of course she isn't going to say she lied, but that's the obvious conclusion given her admission that what she said was incorrect, and the acceptable assumption that she knew the facts were otherwise.

Expecting anything more explicit from a politician is a little bit naive.
 
PhatSaqs said:
Hey, i'm sure dictionary.com aint mad at her. They're getting tons of "misspoke" lookups right about now.
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the clintons are great for dictionary.com... this is their biggest boom since the "is" definition search of 2000.
 
hopefully this starts an uprising of Sinbad fans, so we can, YES WE CAN, spearhead a movement with the goal of finally get our Houseguest 2, aka catharsis.
 
She's lied like crazy on Bosnia... back from Iowa! (credit http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/25/105346/318?detail=f for most of this).

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/12/29/hrc-no-tea-in-bosnia/

Recounting her visit to Bosnia shortly after the peace accords, Senator Clinton described a “corkscrew landing” at an airfield in the area, followed by a sprint out the door due to the threat of sniper fire.
“I don’t remember anybody offering me tea on the tarmac when that was happening,” she said with a grin.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgom0QWvLs

Says she was the first American in post-war Bosnia (Bill Clinton was there 2 months before) (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-18073374.html)

More lies on Feb. 29th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDkTUtTGXU (says the welcoming ceremony had to be moved because of sniper fire)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOd7NWJXSM (The speech right before the March 17th one when she first claims they had to "run to their cars". The press availability right after this is the lie seen on most of the videos, but it was the 2nd time she had said it).

http://www.attytood.com/2008/03/exclusive_clinton_acknowledges.html

Hillary said:
"Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK -- because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke -- I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire -- that's not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it.
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Hillary said:
"No, I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. you know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement."
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Maybe it was actually different from her point of view And the snipers really were shooting at her...... you know how vantage points can be

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thefro said:
She's lied like crazy on Bosnia... back from Iowa! (credit http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/25/105346/318?detail=f for most of this).

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/12/29/hrc-no-tea-in-bosnia/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgom0QWvLs

Says she was the first American in post-war Bosnia (Bill Clinton was there 2 months before) (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-18073374.html)

More lies on Feb. 29th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDkTUtTGXU (says the welcoming ceremony had to be moved because of sniper fire)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOd7NWJXSM (The speech right before the March 17th one when she first claims they had to "run to their cars". The press availability right after this is the lie seen on most of the videos, but it was the 2nd time she had said it).

http://www.attytood.com/2008/03/exclusive_clinton_acknowledges.html
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How the hell can you misspoke that many times?

One time we can roll our eyes but over and over months and weeks apart?

wtf?
 
I really hope Hillary wins this shitty competition!

US sure cant be worse with a woman at the top than it has been with redneck for the last years.

Best president ever was Clinton, atleast he got chicks
 
gofreak said:
It was a lie if she knew otherwise (and i'm sure she did), lies often are misstatements :p

My point is just that, coming from a politician, what she has said about it is to my eyes an admission that what she said was incorrect. Of course she isn't going to say she lied, but that's the obvious conclusion given her admission that what she said was incorrect, and the acceptable assumption that she knew the facts were otherwise.

Expecting anything more explicit from a politician is a little bit naive.
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:lol

Totally agree. I mean what politician would do something like freely admit to previous extra-marital affairs or defend someone close to them that said some racially charged statements. Nope that kind of candor is only in fairy tales.
 
robertsan21 said:
I really hope Hillary wins this shitty competition!

US sure cant be worse with a woman at the top than it has been with redneck for the last years.

Best president ever was Clinton, atleast he got chicks
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Hillary is NOT BILL
 
Clinton's people told CBS she didn't lie that she was actually referring to sniper fire in nearby hills and mountains.

Too Hilarious
 
my name is ed said:
you know seeing that bosnia video made me think it was possible Hillary Clinton could have been good looking at one point.
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Clinton at 60 could look a whole lot worse than she does now.

All things considered, she takes good care of herself and/or major props to whoever does her makeup.
 
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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full of win.. :lol
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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Nicely done :lol
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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:lol :lol
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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Hillary = New Fresh Prince?
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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:lol :lol :lol

If I could tag you, you'd be "The Male Lewinsky."
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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Well done, Well done.
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
Spank_Magnet said:
You know, I met Hilary in early 2000. She was in London staying at a top hotel with her entourage and I was going there to meet a friend who was staying on the floor below her. So I get in the lift and accidentally press the wrong button. I first realise this when the door opens and there are 2 secret service men with their guns pointing at me screaming for me to identify myself. Hilary was peeking around the door to her room which was a little way down the corridor. I slowly reached into my pocket and got some ID out and tried to explain what had gone wrong. Once they realised the mistake the situation was lightened and they even joked about it. By this time Hilary, eager to project a nice public image, had come out of her room and introduced herself. I made a few jokes as well and somehow charmed the pants off her. She invited me into her room and I didn't leave for about 6 hours. She got champagne in and one thing led to another and...well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Oh hang on I think I misspoke. I've never met Hilary Clinton.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
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