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[Mojovonio]

Fucking Agent Icebreezy with his flamebait threads.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

To everyone putting the hate on Agent Icebeezy: chill out. Sure, his console of prefence is the 360, but he's no AltogetherAndrews or theBishop. I think he's one of the finest members GAF has.

I sure as fuck wouldn't say that :lol However, I do play games and yes, I do have a preference for my 360, but they (Microsoft) have surely fucked up in some aspects as well. I, along with a lot of other people will by buying way more PS3 games next year than this year, but, we are concerned with this year. Waiting for 2008 didn't stop Capcom from putting MH3 o the Wii did it? Sony wouldn't be making all of these cost reductions if they didn't think time was running out, would they? So, while 2008 will bring great games, it is quite possibly too late for them, at least in North America.

Fucking Agent Icebreezy with his flamebait threads.

I don't know if this is sarcasm, but outside of my Gamestop release date post, my last thread made in gaming forum was in July.

 

[Mesijs]

"The Xbox 360 currently has the best software library and that console has been selling for $399 since its release. The Nintendo Wii is riding a wave like nothing we have seen in this industry and that console costs just $250. Simply put, if I want to play video games, why would I choose the Playstation 3?"

That just about says it all.


I really think the current situation for the PS3 is that dire.

No, that's just plain bullshit. You can also ask: if I want to play video games, why should I choose Xbox 360?

PS3 has all the great PlayStation franchises and some new ones like Resistance and MotorStorm.

And most 360-games are also on PC.

You can argue either way. This quote says more about the argumentative incapability of the writer than about the situation of the PS3.

 

[gkryhewy]

Expecting this gen to turn out exactly like any previous gen, with respect to any of the 3 consoles, is incredibly shortsighted.

Plus the market has expanded to the extent that there's really no chance for any of the three consoles to be abandoned in any territory, as the Saturn was in the US. Even the 360 in Japan will continue to be supported as a bi-product of its North American success.

 

[Sharp]

I think it all depends on how well the 40GB model is selling, if its any point to bring back the PS2 BC. Or it could be that the production costs for the GS chip, and maybe even the EE chip will be cheap enough to start including them again. Is there any word on removing it from the 80GB model too? I forgot.

I doubt the production costs of either EE or GS are likely to go down much further given how much time they've had to optimize them. I'm hoping that either (1) the rest of the console is going to go down in price enough to include them again, or (2) Sony makes PS2 software emulation a top priority once again. Even if (2) takes long enough that it doesn't bear fruit until the PS4, I'd still be happy to know that the PS2's legacy was not going to become lost.

Not that this is really relevant.

 

[kammy]

360 has the best software line up.

If you like western games. Me wants my Japanese shite!

Thats were Sony has let me down, its trying to do the 360 thing when it should be doing the Sony thing.

 

[Firewire]

I think it all depends on how well the 40GB model is selling, if its any point to bring back the PS2 BC. Or it could be that the production costs for the GS chip, and maybe even the EE chip will be cheap enough to start including them again. Is there any word on removing it from the 80GB model too? I forgot.

The 80GB which will basically replace the 60GB will still have BC.

 

[typhonsentra]

It's funny how things go. For years the media chastises the industry for relying too heavily on sequels. When one of them works on bringing out mainly new IPs, they're told that was a mistake.

 

[Kestastrophe]

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[JoshuaJSlone]

Where do you get this week's ownership stat? PS3 and Wii launched within days of eachother.

It's a spreadsheet thing I do.

If before August a system had a userbase of 1 million, and August was a 4 week NPD month, then after August those owners have added 4 million additional weeks of ownership. If 200K people bought the system new in August, I'll assume on average they had it for half a month. Thus, they account for an additional 400 thousand weeks of ownership. Do this for each month, and it allows us to get a total "weeks ownership" for a system, as well as to calculate the average amount of time each system's owner has had theirs, by dividing by the LTD.

By my calculation through August the average US Wii owner had their system 22.8 weeks, the average US PS3 owner had their system 26.6 weeks, and the average X360 owner had their system 48.1 weeks. Since the Wii's userbase has as a percentage grown faster than PS3 in recent months, the average owner hasn't had it as long.

Getting a stat of "average games per week per owner" is definitely not a perfect way to look at purchasing behaviors, but I think it's better than plain tie ratio since it takes more information into account.

 

[Manmademan]

I think if the 40GB creates the sales that some think it might, we could see a price drop before the holidays are over. In the end, it really comes down to what the new model does for Sony.

Keep in mind that the 360's division is under pressure to produce a profitable fiscal year (it hasn't yet since 2000), They just ate a billion dollar tab from the RROD fiasco, there just WAS a price drop that they're currently taking a hit on, and by FAR the most hardware and software sold per year is in the 4th quarter leading up to christmas.

If it was POSSIBLE for microsoft to drop the price again and gain a definitive advantage over the PS3 in the 4th quarter then they would have done so. As it is, their answer to a $100 price dropped PS3 was...bundles.

That alone speaks volumes. If the 360 can't produce a profit in the same year where their biggest title launches (halo3) as well as when the competition is at it's weakest, it never will, and personally I think they're under pressure to prove the Xbox project isn't a money pit.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I have to admit, this thread has made me chuckle.

 

[VonGak!]

Fanboys calling them self journalists trying to convey their biased view as the ultimate truth. It's straight out pathetic to see a so called grown up man cry over a console getting a price cut because that's exactly what he's doing while trying to legitimize it with the reasoning of a pre-school kid (though they got an excuse for not knowing how things work).

Will gaming journalism ever grow up and will self proclaimed gamers ever learn that their taste =/= everyone's taste?

 

[artredis1980]

No, that's just plain bullshit. You can also ask: if I want to play video games, why should I choose Xbox 360?

PS3 has all the great PlayStation franchises and some new ones like Resistance and MotorStorm.

And most 360-games are also on PC.

You can argue either way. This quote says more about the argumentative incapability of the writer than about the situation of the PS3.

by that logic you should play Unreal Tournament 2008 on the PC as it has more features on that than on PS3 and releasing before PS3 version

 

[Mojovonio]

I sure as fuck wouldn't say that :lol However, I do play games and yes, I do have a preference for my 360, but they (Microsoft) have surely fucked up in some aspects as well. I, along with a lot of other people will by buying way more PS3 games next year than this year, but, we are concerned with this year. Waiting for 2008 didn't stop Capcom from putting MH3 o the Wii did it? Sony wouldn't be making all of these cost reductions if they didn't think time was running out, would they? So, while 2008 will bring great games, it is quite possibly too late for them, at least in North America.



I don't know if this is sarcasm, but outside of my Gamestop release date post, my last thread made in gaming forum was in July.

You...yo...yo....YOU SHUT UP!

I ALWAYS SEE YOU SAYING HOW THE PS3 IS NO GOOD AND IT HAS NO GAMES!!!

WHAT ABOUT THESE

-HAZE
-KILLZONE 2 (HALO KILLER)
-FF12
-HAZE
-HAZE 2 (TBA)

 

[tehbear]

To everyone putting the hate on the PS3: far too early to decide anything in this console race. The 360 has won... in the US. The rest of the world is a big open battlefield.

I love my PS3, I loved the moment I realize Japan was not going to embrace the 360 as their HD platform of choice. Though it's abundantly clear now the PS3 is also a lost cause there. Outright PS3 cancellation is just one of those signs. Of course the 400 price alone means little, but combined with some solid titles and they can do exceptionally well in Europe and at least make it a close battle in the States. Japan is lost and I think no amount of WMDs is gonna save that mess.

 

[artredis1980]

Keep in mind that the 360's division is under pressure to produce a profitable fiscal year (it hasn't yet since 2000), They just ate a billion dollar tab from the RROD fiasco, there just WAS a price drop that they're currently taking a hit on, and by FAR the most hardware and software sold per year is in the 4th quarter leading up to christmas.

If it was POSSIBLE for microsoft to drop the price again and gain a definitive advantage over the PS3 in the 4th quarter then they would have done so. As it is, their answer to a $100 price dropped PS3 was...bundles.

That alone speaks volumes. If the 360 can't produce a profit in the same year where their biggest title launches (halo3) as well as when the competition is at it's weakest, it never will, and personally I think they're under pressure to prove the Xbox project isn't a money pit.

Microsoft will make up the 1 Billion charge on Halo alone

 

[mepaco]

Keep in mind that the 360's division is under pressure to produce a profitable fiscal year (it hasn't yet since 2000), They just ate a billion dollar tab from the RROD fiasco, there just WAS a price drop that they're currently taking a hit on, and by FAR the most hardware and software sold per year is in the 4th quarter leading up to christmas.

If it was POSSIBLE for microsoft to drop the price again and gain a definitive advantage over the PS3 in the 4th quarter then they would have done so. As it is, their answer to a $100 price dropped PS3 was...bundles.

That alone speaks volumes. If the 360 can't produce a profit in the same year where their biggest title launches (halo3) as well as when the competition is at it's weakest, it never will, and personally I think they're under pressure to prove the Xbox project isn't a money pit.

I admit I might be a little out of the loop, but are you saying they are losing money on each one sold now or just decreased profits? I also thought they were already in the black now after the Halo boost. In any case, pressure or not I don't see MS hesitating to drop the price if they consider it to be in their best interests. I think they are just continuing to take the wait and see approach and will only react if they think it is necessary, not preemptively drop the price when they might not have to.

 

[test_account]

I doubt the production costs of either EE or GS are likely to go down much further given how much time they've had to optimize them. I'm hoping that either (1) the rest of the console is going to go down in price enough to include them again, or (2) Sony makes PS2 software emulation a top priority once again. Even if (2) takes long enough that it doesn't bear fruit until the PS4, I'd still be happy to know that the PS2's legacy was not going to become lost.

Not that this is really relevant.

Ye, maybe. As long as it gets included again I'm "afraid" that it wont be, but its impossible to say. BC is not that important to me, but i would like to have the feature if i have the opportunity to get it. I'm debating if i'm going to get a PS3 now or not, since Sony said that the 40GB would be the only SKU for sale in the SCEE territories after than 60GB SKU is sold out. If a new SKU will SKU with BC will be sold here is impossible to say :\

The 80GB which will basically replace the 60GB will still have BC.

Ok thanks, good to hear that I wonder how it will be in Europe tho. As mentioned above, Sony said that only the 40GB SKU will be sold in SCEE territories after the 60GB SKU is sold out, but who knows if a another SKU is comming up for sale again or not in the future.

 

[squatingyeti]

Does everyone not realize that the PS3 is in its first year and the 360 is in its second?

Ok, let's freeze time for MS and let Sony continue selling. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Sony is the one that has to make up that lost time, MS beat them to the punch and Sony needs to start bringing the heavy hitters to recover.

 

[Firewire]

Microsoft will make up the 1 Billion charge on Halo alone

OMG! :lol

 

[VonGak!]

You...yo...yo....YOU SHUT UP!

I ALWAYS SEE YOU SAYING HOW THE PS3 IS NO GOOD AND IT HAS NO GAMES!!!

WHAT ABOUT THESE

-HAZE
-KILLZONE 2 (HALO KILLER)
-FF12
-HAZE
-HAZE 2 (TBA)

Ah crusading bots You are all alike.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

No, that's just plain bullshit. You can also ask: if I want to play video games, why should I choose Xbox 360?

PS3 has all the great PlayStation franchises and some new ones like Resistance and MotorStorm.

And most 360-games are also on PC.

You can argue either way. This quote says more about the argumentative incapability of the writer than about the situation of the PS3.

No, it does not. It will, but you're quoting a person who claims that the 360 currently has the best library. Which it does.

I wonder how it will be in Europe tho. As mentioned above, Sony said that only the 40GB SKU will be sold in SCEE territories after the 60GB SKU is sold out, but who knows if a another SKU is comming up for sale again or not in the future.

SCEE also said that they were going to stick with the 60GB and weren't going to do a price cut. Sure, they'll take away the 60GB unit, but they'll likely introduce the 80GB unit before those are completely depleted.

 

[Hunter D]

Microsoft will make up the 1 Billion charge on Halo alone

Sorry, but :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

This thread is a goldmine. If Sony or MS shit in a bag and wrote "awesome magic" on it quiet a few people in this thread would buy it.

 

[Raist]

Microsoft will make up the 1 Billion charge on Halo alone

Yeah, clearly

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

You...yo...yo....YOU SHUT UP!

I ALWAYS SEE YOU SAYING HOW THE PS3 IS NO GOOD AND IT HAS NO GAMES!!!

WHAT ABOUT THESE

-HAZE - ROFL
-KILLZONE 2 (HALO KILLER) Paid Off the day the sku hit
-FF12 - Owns collector's edition
-HAZE LOL
-HAZE 2 (TBA)LMAO

.

 

[painful fart]

Yeah, cutting the price is a really bad thing.
Why make it more affordable?
What are they thinking?

Stupid, stupid Sony.

Seriously, why does this guys brain farts deserve a separate thread?

 

[Mojovonio]

Ah crusading bots You are all alike.

 

[dynamitejim]

If anything, this new 40GB model is the system Sony should've launched with (perhaps at $449, dropping at E3 to $399). Right now it looks like it might be too late.

 

[Loudninja]

Microsoft will make up the 1 Billion charge on Halo alone

What the hell?

 

[Firewire]

I admit I might be a little out of the loop, but are you saying they are losing money on each one sold now or just decreased profits? I also thought they were already in the black now after the Halo boost. In any case, pressure or not I don't see MS hesitating to drop the price if they consider it to be in their best interests. I think they are just continuing to take the wait and see approach and will only react if they think it is necessary, not preemptively drop the price when they might not have to.

Yes. Shane Kim said it about 2 weeks ago I believe. They still don't make any money when a 360 is sold. In fact the gap widened a bit due to their last price drop. Kim did mention though that the game division could however see a slight profit for this year, if Halo 3 sells above & beyond MS's expectations.

 

[theBishop]

It's a spreadsheet thing I do.

If before August a system had a userbase of 1 million, and August was a 4 week NPD month, then after August those owners have added 4 million additional weeks of ownership. If 200K people bought the system new in August, I'll assume on average they had it for half a month. Thus, they account for an additional 400 thousand weeks of ownership. Do this for each month, and it allows us to get a total "weeks ownership" for a system, as well as to calculate the average amount of time each system's owner has had theirs, by dividing by the LTD.

By my calculation through August the average US Wii owner had their system 22.8 weeks, the average US PS3 owner had their system 26.6 weeks, and the average X360 owner had their system 48.1 weeks. Since the Wii's userbase has as a percentage grown faster than PS3 in recent months, the average owner hasn't had it as long.

Getting a stat of "average games per week per owner" is definitely not a perfect way to look at purchasing behaviors, but I think it's better than plain tie ratio since it takes more information into account.

this sounds incredibly dubious.

 

[Kestastrophe]

If Sony or MS shit in a bag and wrote "awesome magic" on it quiet a few people in this thread would buy it.

:lol :lol So true. Tell me, is this "awesome magic" a timed exclusive though?

 

[Manmademan]

I admit I might be a little out of the loop, but are you saying they are losing money on each one sold now

yup. especially considering the hit from the RROD fiasco, but I'm not sure how that factors into things. Someone more knowledgable than I in financial matters indicated it was a one time hit to the division attributed to last fiscal year, or something.

I also thought they were already in the black now.

Nope. Still in the red.

In any case, pressure or not I don't see MS hesitating to drop the price if they consider it to be in their best interests.

It IS in their best interests, but we've yet to see a significant price drop from microsoft in the face of overwhelming competition. The Wii is slaughtering everyone, and the PS3 was more or less tracking their worldwide sales at a price point $200 higher. If it was possible for MS to drop the price more than they did (and admit it, that last drop was anemic) they would have.

I think they are just continuing to take the wait and see approach and will only react if they think it is necessary, not preemptively drop the price when they might not have to.

Wait and see for what? the 4th quarter is THE most important quarter bar none. If you don't perform well during the christmas season, there goes your fiscal year. Letting your competition gain on you over the holidays only to drop in march when no one is buying systems is lunacy.

 

[artredis1980]

Ok, let's freeze time for MS and let Sony continue selling. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Sony is the one that has to make up that lost time, MS beat them to the punch and Sony needs to start bringing the heavy hitters to recover.

IN the united states

this is true, from Launch to November 2006, Xbox 360 had ONE BIG system seller, and that was Gears of War

PS3 from Launch to November 2007 has had /will have 4 system sellers (or hyped potential sellers) and those are Heavenly Sword, Lair, Unchartered and Ratchet and Clank

in 2007 alone, 360 has 3 system sellers and those are Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect

in 2008 alone, PS3 will have 3 system sellers and those are MGS4, Killzone 2, and GT5

in 2008 alone, 360 will have Alan Wake, Fable 2, and Too Human as 3 system sellers

So 360 is basically going neck and neck nomatter how much effort Sony puts out. In the end the quality of games will matter, we will wait and see if GT5 still has the system selling power , If Killzone 2 is still graphics > gameplay and if MGS4 lives up to its selling status

 

[artredis1980]

yup. especially considering the hit from the RROD fiasco, but I'm not sure how that factors into things. Someone more knowledgable than I in financial matters indicated it was a one time hit to the division attributed to last fiscal year, or something.



Nope. Still in the red.



It IS in their best interests, but we've yet to see a significant price drop from microsoft in the face of overwhelming competition. The Wii is slaughtering everyone, and the PS3 was more or less tracking their worldwide sales at a price point $200 higher. If it was possible for MS to drop the price more than they did (and admit it, that last drop was anemic) they would have.



Wait and see for what? the 4th quarter is THE most important quarter bar none. If you don't perform well during the christmas season, there goes your fiscal year. Letting your competition gain on you over the holidays only to drop in march when no one is buying systems is lunacy.

how do you know MS is still in the red? the conference in on October 25th. why dont you wait for the financial results

 

[Duke Togo]

Thats it, I'm throwing out my ps3!!! Too much negative press makes me feel bad about my purchase.

 

[Firewire]

:lol :lol So true. Tell me, is this "awesome magic" a timed exclusive though?

you would pay more if it was right?...right? :lol

 

[KINGMOKU]

this sounds incredibly dubious.

Well, anything that doesnt support my version of reality would sound dubious to me as well.

 

[Mojovonio]

IN the united states

this is true, from Launch to November 2006, Xbox 360 had ONE BIG system seller, and that was Gears of War

PS3 from Launch to November 2007 has had /will have 4 system sellers (or hyped potential sellers) and those are Heavenly Sword, Lair, Unchartered and Ratchet and Clank

in 2007 alone, 360 has 3 system sellers and those are Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect

in 2008 alone, PS3 will have 3 system sellers and those are MGS4, Killzone 2, and GT5

in 2008 alone, 360 will have Alan Wake, Fable 2, and Too Human as 3 system sellers

So 360 is basically going neck and neck nomatter how much effort Sony puts out. In the end the quality of games will matter, we will wait and see if GT5 still has the system selling power , If Killzone 2 is still graphics > gameplay and if MGS4 lives up to its selling status

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Beer Monkey]

In a personal preferences thread, this constant '360 games are on the PC' retort can actually have some merit, but in sales-age threads like these it needs to go away. Most people buying games on consoles don't give a flying fuck if some of those same games are available on the PC, because they have no interest in hardcore PC gaming. If the fact that Bioshock is on the PC meant anything, the 360 version wouldn't have outsold the shit out of it.

 

[Kaako]

IN the united states

this is true, from Launch to November 2006, Xbox 360 had ONE BIG system seller, and that was Gears of War

PS3 from Launch to November 2007 has had /will have 4 system sellers (or hyped potential sellers) and those are Heavenly Sword, Lair, Unchartered and Ratchet and Clank

in 2007 alone, 360 has 3 system sellers and those are Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect

in 2008 alone, PS3 will have 3 system sellers and those are MGS4, Killzone 2, and GT5

in 2008 alone, 360 will have Alan Wake, Fable 2, and Too Human as 3 system sellers

So 360 is basically going neck and neck nomatter how much effort Sony puts out. In the end the quality of games will matter, we will wait and see if GT5 still has the system selling power , If Killzone 2 is still graphics > gameplay and if MGS4 lives up to its selling status

Pure awesomeness. :lol

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

:lol :lol :lol

Too Human will get pushed, but not like Fable 2 and Alan Wake, for various reasons.

 

[Kestastrophe]

Well, anything that doesnt support my version of reality would sound dubious to me as well.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[kevm3]

wahhhhh wahhhh ps3 is too expensive! I can't afford it! $600 dollars!

*Sony drops price

This isn't what Sony needs! Where are the games? PS3 dropping the price won't help!

Will these guys choose something and stick with it?

 

[squatingyeti]

Keep in mind that the 360's division is under pressure to produce a profitable fiscal year (it hasn't yet since 2000), They just ate a billion dollar tab from the RROD fiasco, there just WAS a price drop that they're currently taking a hit on, and by FAR the most hardware and software sold per year is in the 4th quarter leading up to christmas.

If it was POSSIBLE for microsoft to drop the price again and gain a definitive advantage over the PS3 in the 4th quarter then they would have done so. As it is, their answer to a $100 price dropped PS3 was...bundles.

That alone speaks volumes. If the 360 can't produce a profit in the same year where their biggest title launches (halo3) as well as when the competition is at it's weakest, it never will, and personally I think they're under pressure to prove the Xbox project isn't a money pit.

Well, Bungie leaving may have just subsidized the RROD charge. Furthermore, that charge was ALREADY taken. It doesn't drag out. It would be interesting to see if MS became profitable with the xbox, the H&E still took a loss, and MS didn't break down the division in order to now protect the Zune business model just as they had protected the Xbox.

 

[Mojovonio]

Too Human will get pushed, but not like Fable 2 and Alan Wake, for various reasons.

no no, i was laughing at his choices for system sellers.

Lair and HS!

WHAT A RIOT!!

:lol :lol

 

[MassiveAttack]

If anything, this new 40GB model is the system Sony should've launched with (perhaps at $449, dropping at E3 to $399). Right now it looks like it might be too late.

Too late. Too late. Too late.

Stop trying to compare Sony to Sega. The comparison is so fundamentally broken that it winds up sounding like a sensationalist CNET article. Oh wait...

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Well, he lists Too Human as a 360 system seller, but at least he balances it out with Lair and Heavenly Sword as system sellers for PS3. They certainly did their job.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Too Human will get pushed, but not like Fable 2 and Alan Wake, for various reasons.

GTA IV episodes and Banjo Kazooie will be bigger system sellers than Too Human. But that's not a big compliment.