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Core407 said:
This generation will be decided by first party software
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How do you get to decide this? PS1 versus N64 sure as hell wasn't decided by first party software, it was all about dominating third party support (something Wii already has done, they have 22 exclusives, mostly third-party, this holiday where 360 has eight and PS3 has five).

If somehow, I don't know how, first-party support does decide the generation, what does Sony have that will sell better than Gears or Halo in North America? Sure, Gears is second-party, but it might as well be first.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
How do you get to decide this? PS1 versus N64 sure as hell wasn't decided by first party software, it was all about dominating third party support (something Wii already has done, they have 22 exclusives, mostly third-party, this holiday where 360 has eight and PS3 has five).
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The N64 and PS1 were entirely different machines, which it made it advantageous (cartridges vs cds) for third parties to support the Playstation. The PS3 and XB360 are much more simmilar. Most third party games are going to grace both systems.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Oh no.

And I see I'm being trolled without having so much as set foot in this thread. Classy.
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Shut up. You're worse than IceBeezy and you know it. Just yesterday you panicked hearing about Halo 3 sales and you made a new thread called "Girlsgotech.org blogger doesn't think Halo3 sales matter"

True story.
 
fortified_concept said:
Shut up. You're worse than IceBeezy and you know it. Just yesterday you panicked hearing about Halo 3 sales and you made a new thread called "girlsgotech.org blogger doesn't think Halo3 sales matter"

True story.
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I never realized how fantastic a sarcastic fortified_concept would be but now I do!
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
How do you get to decide this? PS1 versus N64 sure as hell wasn't decided by first party software, it was all about dominating third party support (something Wii already has done, they have 22 exclusives, mostly third-party, this holiday where 360 has eight and PS3 has five).

If somehow, I don't know how, first-party support does decide the generation, what does Sony have that will sell better than Gears or Halo in North America? Sure, Gears is second-party, but it might as well be first.
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Because the cost of titles are too much for most third party companies to keep them exclusive (ignoring moneyhats) so you're likely to see all their top franchises on as many consoles as possible. The titles that'll make people really question which console to get will be the exclusives as they can only be found on one system.
 
Core407 said:
Slower sales for 360 and higher sales for PS3 will even it out pretty quickly.
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right now in Japan PS3 is selling 8,000 more per week than 360 that means its selling 32,000 average more consoles in Japan.

In UK 360 is selling slightly more than the PS3

In rest of Europe the PS3 is selling slightly more than the 360.

In USA 360 is selling around 50,000 more than PS3


That means on average 360 is selling around 10,000 more consoles every month WW than PS3, this does NOT include Halo 3 launch mind you

PS3 is around 5 million and 360 is around 11 million sold, that means if PS3 sells by approx more than 10,000 than 360 per month WW, then in 1 year it would sell 120,000 more than 360 and that would mean it would catch in 4 years taking into account 360 would be selling

In 4 years the 360 will be 6 years old and the 720 would be around the corner
 
theBishop said:
this sounds incredibly dubious.
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Which part? It is an assumption that the average new owner has their system for precisely half a month, but that's as close as I can get handling everything evenly.
theBishop said:
What do I care if the "average ownership tme" of a Wii is 22 vs 26 on PS3?
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For display purposes, let us say in the September NPD, Wii sells 0 and PS3 sells 2.3 million. This would give PS3 a higher LTD than Wii, but we could expect its tie ratio to take a heavy hit. Why? Most of the owners had their system for less than a month. It wouldn't be at all surprising if the overall PS3 tie ratio dropped drastically to 2 or below. The average Wii owner would have had their system for 27.8 weeks, while the average PS3 owner would have had theirs for 15.0 weeks. Shape of userbase growth matters.
 
PS3 is very nice piece of hardware, nicer build than 360, it has been my dedicated blu-ray player since the day I bought it, and not much else did I use it for.

Xbox360 is the game.
 
Core407 said:
Are people expecting Too Human to be a Halo 3 level seller or something?
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No, but there will be an almighty subcultural fuss on release - kind of like a controlled (ha !) explosion with gaming forums and sites as the epicentre.
 
Can we all just agree (excluding Wii) that the 360 has won the US? Are PS3 fanboys willing to concede the US?
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Hey eveyone, even though there're only 3 systems in the race, let's leave out the one that's actually in first place and pretend my little favorite system is on top. What kind of dumb fanboy shit is that?
 
knitoe said:
From my perspective, I have had the PS3 since Black Friday 06 and still have ZERO retail games for it. That's really bad. I bought tons of games for X360 over that time. 2008 can't come soon enough.
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i blame you for garbage like two worlds in the charts.
 
artredis1980 said:
right now in Japan PS3 is selling 8,000 more per week than 360 that means its selling 32,000 average more consoles in Japan.

In UK 360 is selling slightly more than the PS3

In rest of Europe the PS3 is selling slightly more than the 360.

In USA 360 is selling around 50,000 more than PS3


That means on average 360 is selling around 10,000 more consoles every month WW than PS3, this does NOT include Halo 3 launch mind you

PS3 is around 5 million and 360 is around 11 million sold, that means if PS3 sells by approx more than 10,000 than 360 per month WW, then in 1 year it would sell 120,000 more than 360 and that would mean it would catch in 4 years taking into account 360 would be selling

In 3 years the 360 will be 6 years old and the 720 would be around the corner
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I think people are expecting a longer console life cycle than just 4-5 years. Definitely minimum of 5 years.
 
Core407 said:
Because the cost of titles are too much for most third party companies to keep them exclusive (ignoring moneyhats) so you're likely to see all their top franchises on as many consoles as possible. The titles that'll make people really question which console to get will be the exclusives as they can only be found on one system.
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Which are precisely how MS has gained an advantage in this area! Just because they're unfair doesn't mean they don't exist!

That's a pretty sterling example of moving the goalposts to suit your argument.
 
Core407 said:
Because the cost of titles are too much for most third party companies to keep them exclusive (ignoring moneyhats) so you're likely to see all their top franchises on as many consoles as possible. The titles that'll make people really question which console to get will be the exclusives as they can only be found on one system.
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Well then Nintendo will dominate for sure. And I'm sure we'll see plenty of crow eaten just as when Gears and Bioshock sold way better than conventional PS3-fan wisdom predicted. So many want to think that the 360 doesn't have exclusive hits outside of Halo but they have been wrong so far...why should anybody think they have it right for the future?

Ignoring moneyhats? Whatever money was spent to make Bioshock an exclusive was smarter money spent than the development budget of Heavenly Sword.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Which are precisely how MS has gained an advantage in this area! Just because they're unfair doesn't mean they don't exist!

That's a pretty sterling example of moving the goalposts to suit your argument.
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If MS launched at the same time as Sony, they would have been dead in the water. The 1 year difference is what gave 360 the sales it got. It can't compete and it won't be able to.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Well then Nintendo will dominate for sure. And I'm sure we'll see plenty of crow eaten just as when Gears and Bioshock sold way better than conventional PS3-fan wisdom predicted. So many want to think that the 360 doesn't have exclusive hits outside of Halo but they have been wrong so far...why should anybody think they have it right for the future?
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Like I said before, I don't consider the Wii in direct competition with Sony and MS. It's a completely different market for the Wii. Their appeal is to generally simple games (not a knock or anything) with a different market audience. The core gamer will still enjoy the Wii but it isn't a console that can satisfy the user itself. It's more of a companion system which is actually the best thing Nintendo could have done with the system.

Edit: That maybe true for Heavenly Sword but what would you say if the game received ridiculously high marks? You'd be singing a different tune. The problem with these big PS3 titles is none of them has really been that HUGE massive AAA title to set the precedent for future games.
 
Core407 said:
If MS launched at the same time as Sony, they would have been dead in the water. The 1 year difference is what gave 360 the sales it got. It can't compete and it won't be able to.
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Look out your window. It's been competing for the entire year the PS3 has been available.
 
Core407 said:
If MS launched at the same time as Sony, they would have been dead in the water. The 1 year difference is what gave 360 the sales it got. It can't compete and it won't be able to.
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Umm...it's doing more than competing right now. If you put the PS3 can't compete, and won't be able to, then your statement actually makes sense. Also, there's no way in hell Sony EVER could have launched when MS did. Once again, not MS' fault Sony got beat to the punch. Quit trying to make these hypothetical situations that involve time changing/freezing. Things are the way they are and it's up to Sony to prove the most massive comeback ever can even take place.
 
Core407 said:
You'd be singing a different tune. The problem with these big PS3 titles is none of them has really been that HUGE massive AAA title to set the precedent for future games.
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Ive been thinking is this a Japan vs American thing? I have never seen so much hate for a company/console that resurrected gaming from the damn ashes. This has to be underground black marketing tactics going on this gen. Nintendo made the Wii because they were afraid of what Sony would bring to the table because of PS2's astounding success. They're system is selling but they did not anticipate the PS3 price point so they are left with mediocre graphics compared to the other guys. Microsoft also floundered with rushed hardware worrying about Sonys rolling juggernaut named playstation but also did not figure Sony would launch at that price point. Of course they're a great games on 360 but what's the 360's biggest problem gaf? Sony took a risk they paid for it but they have learned and indeed they're system is built for the long run just looking at the games that actually uses the hardware. Releasing a new PS3 for little Timmy is a good thing and he wasn't around that long to worry about BC. I for one am glad they developed the hardware they did and didn't look back. Where were these mofo's when the other peeps were floundering back in the day? Well CNET guess what? One day YOU will own a PS3. Just tired GAF of these Bullshitters on the web posting their propaganda.
 
Selling more consoles than the 360? Has Sony fallen so far that this is considered a win? Outselling the 360 and losing half it`s market share is a fail not a win. Now, for Microsoft to get anywhere near the sales of the PS3 is a huge win for them.

What is considered a win for the PS3?
 
Cnet dude is right. The PS3 is a cool piece of Tech, just not a very good game console - yet. Once Sony has built up a library of exclusive games (MGS4, GT5, FFwhatever) the story might change but for now I am going to wait. $399 might seem like a good price today but at the rate Sony is cutting prices and revising hardware I think it makes more sense to take the wait and see approach.
 
McLovin said:
As soon as he said the ps3 has no good games I stopped reading. Obvious flame bait.
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Are you accussing the random cnet dude of flamebait? How dare you! He's an official random blogger, you can't say things like that about him.
 
RavenFox said:
Ive been thinking is this a Japan vs American thing? I have never seen so much hate for a company/console that resurrected gaming from the damn ashes. This has to be underground black marketing tactics going on this gen. Nintendo made the Wii because they were afraid of what Sony would bring to the table because of PS2's astounding success. They're system is selling but they didn't not anticipate the PS3 price point so they are left with mediocre graphics compared to the other guys. Microsoft also floundered with rushed hardware worrying about Sonys rolling juggernaut named playstation but also did not figure Sony would launch at that price point. Of course they're a great games on 360 but what's the 360's biggest problem gaf? Sony took a risk they paid for it but they have learned and indeed they're system is built for the long run just looking at the games that actually uses the hardware. Releasing a new PS3 for little Timmy is a good thing and he wasn't around that long to worry about BC. I for one am glad they developed the hardware they did and didn't look back. Where were these mofo's when the other peeps were floundering back in the day? Well CNET guess what? One day YOU will own a PS3. Just tired GAF of these Bullshitters on the web posting their propaganda.
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Karma said:
Selling more consoles than the 360? Has Sony fallen so far that this is considered a win? Outselling the 360 and losing half it`s market share is a fail not a win. Now, for Microsoft to get anywhere near the sales of the PS3 is a huge win for them.

What is considered a win for the PS3?
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I'm not even sure Sony knows. They got kicked out of their 10 year plan, which I'm sure did not consist of releasing 4 SKUs and $200 price drop within 11 months of its release.
 
fortified_concept said:
Are you accussing the random cnet dude of flamebait? How dare you! He's an official random blogger, you can't say things like that about him.
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Actually never mind, stop being sarcastic. The moment is lost.
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13506_1-9794764-17.html

With a rumored $399 40GB Playstation 3 on the way, a cheaper device hitting shelves in Japan and UK, and announcements of an all-out price blitz this holiday season, is Sony really as desperate as it looks?

Read the rest at the link
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GAF Before 40Gb : Sony NEEDS $399, or else GAMEOVER !

GAF After 40Gb : SONY IS DESPERATE !!!!! DOOM !

Anyhow, i think 399 is exactly what Sony needs ... although i really think BC is what gamers really need. So much for supporting PS2 for at least 4 yars to come ...
 
beerbelly said:
I'm not even sure Sony knows. They got kicked out of their 10 year plan, which I'm sure did not consist of releasing 4 SKUs and $200 price drop within 11 months of its release.
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Well thank goodness your on the board. We wouldn't have gotten this inside info and Company outline if you weren't around. Praises I say.
 
beerbelly said:
It's okay. I know it hurts.
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lol [I really did laugh] I actually have a job and don't work for Sony so I think not. I buy electronics for entertainment but my post was an observation. Yours is a dream your wishing to come true. One day you'll laugh at all this. Well I hope you will.
 
Rayne.S said:
GAF Before 40Gb : Sony NEEDS $399, or else GAMEOVER !

GAF After 40Gb : SONY IS DESPERATE !!!!! DOOM !

Anyhow, i think 399 is exactly what Sony needs ... although i really think BC is what gamers really need. So much for supporting PS2 for at least 4 yars to come ...
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The 80gig isn't going anywhere in the US, at least. EU is on its own though lol
 
What a strange argument. Of course they need a cheaper unit to sell, they're getting murdered on their pricing.

They do seem to be losing a lot of their exclusive titles though, but isn't that due to low market penetration of the hardware more than anything else? If there's not enough consoles sold out there, then going exclusive will lower sales and hurt the game developer unless there's quite a sizable moneyhat involved. So they need to sell more consoles, which means they need a competitive price.
 
Wollan said:
Observing.
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I was hoping you were going to say drawing. I've been worried about that poor vomiting fellow's health. I'd heard he only has a few months to live, and there's already a big healthy neighbor eyeing his swank apartment.
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
It is what it is. As soon as I hit submit reply, the legion of Sony fans ascended on this thread Why? They aren't playing their PS3, they are waiting for 2008. You are basically confirming what he says in his blog.
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With all due respect, my guess is you spend you spend at least as much on Neogaf as you spend actually playing games, which makes this post hilarious...
 
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