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[BibiMaghoo]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying- theres nothing to "prove," its just basic. Any online connected device that can dl firmware updates can be bricked. Theres nothing to debate there.

As to your 2nd point- we don't know about the OS, because we don't have all the info- what we do know is MS banned him from live, and from there- either through user error, or through an expired OS- he THOUGHT he couldnt play offline. But he can. So theres no brick.

The problem is?

I will try again to explain this, one last time.

You say that MS / Sony had the ability to ban a last gen console from offline play, at the flick of a switch. I ask you to show where the evidence is for this being true, and you tell me there is nothing to prove.

There is something to prove. You need to show me how you conclude that they could do this. You are saying in your last post that any device with firmware can be bricked, but that is not what is being argued. That is not MS / Sony banning a console from offline play, at the flick of a switch.


Do you understand what I am asking of you?

 

[PBY]

I will try again to explain this, one last time.

You say that MS / Sony had the ability to ban a last gen console from offline play, at the flick of a switch. I ask you to show where the evidence is for this being true, and you tell me there is nothing to prove.

There is something to prove. You need to show me how you conclude that they could do this. You are saying in your last post that any device with firmware can be bricked, but that is not what is being argued. That is not MS / Sony banning a console from offline play, at the flick of a switch.


Do you understand what I am asking of you?

I understand what you're asking of me... and I've explained it to you 3 times already. A broken OS can render a console useless. You can push firmware to break an OS through an update.

Theres nothing to show? It was possible last gen and its possible now. Its possible on PCs, and on pretty much any other platform that can download updates.

 

[Teletraan1]

....

Can he be trusted though?

Read through his tweets. Guy is kinda all over the place. I personally wouldn't take it as gospel but if it makes people sleep better then go for it. All will be revealed soon enough. As I said before I am glad I dont have a pre-order because the waters of this launch have been pretty muddy with these last minute bombs dropping about resolution, remote play capabilities, OS issues and mp3 playback. I am hoping it is all just pre-launch FUD but there seems to be some reputable people hinting some ill shit that we dont know about yet.

 

[Steel]

I will try again to explain this, one last time.

You say that MS / Sony had the ability to ban a last gen console from offline play, at the flick of a switch. I ask you to show where the evidence is for this being true, and you tell me there is nothing to prove.

There is something to prove. You need to show me how you conclude that they could do this. You are saying in your last post that any device with firmware can be bricked, but that is not what is being argued. That is not MS / Sony banning a console from offline play, at the flick of a switch.


Do you understand what I am asking of you?

Ms and sony can send you an update. Update could be a program that deletes your OS. Bricked console. That's what he's saying.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I understand what you're asking of me... and I've explained it to you 3 times already. A broken OS can render a console useless. You can push firmware to break an OS through an update.

Theres nothing to show? It was possible last gen and its possible now. Its possible on PCs, and on pretty much any other platform that can download updates.

I just can't even...

Never mind man. You clearly do not understand.

 

[DarkCloud]

Another bit is with how GAF is pretty adamant on preventing "bullshit" in general if they thought that CBOAT was a negative element in terms of information he discloses they would have given him the boot a long time ago. So I think that says something too since we all know how fast people who spread general false information / overly negative constantly last around here.

I'm not saying he doesn't know his stuff. He does but he's not perfect. And I accept that.

But you don't think the many pissed off people on the internet might not have wanted that drm removal leak a bit sooner than we got it? That was BIG news and it was leaked by a HiFi site. With as much as he knows chances are good he knew about that as well and he just sat on it. And not just sat on it...he fanned the negativity right after it was leaked with his 60sigh comment.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Kinda glad I didn't follow this thread now, haha.

 

[PBY]

I just can't even...

Never mind man. You clearly do not understand.

Read this:
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-ps3-v4-45-firmware-yanked-after-bricked-consoles-19287022/

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/po...osoft-sending-new-consoles-to-those-affected/

Its happened before to MS and Sony. Not intentionally- but it shows they have the capacity to. Nothing nefarious.

 

[Parakeetman]

I'm not saying he doesn't know his stuff. He does but he's not perfect. And I accept taht.

But you don't think the many pissed off people on the internet might not have wanted that drm removal leak a bit sooner than we got it? That was BIG news and it was leaked by a HiFi site. With as much as he knows chances are good he knew about that as well and he just sat on it.

Thats the hard thing with having information is knowing when to release it. Since depending can put ones own identity at risk.

Asides from that dont really have much else to say on the guy and what he does, besides the insight is appreciated as its something most of us wouldnt be seeing without him and others around.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

lol... funny how this thread panned out. But at least the guy got a few thousand more twitter followers. And in the end, isn't that what really matters?

 

[mrg6290]

I will try again to explain this, one last time.

You say that MS / Sony had the ability to ban a last gen console from offline play, at the flick of a switch. I ask you to show where the evidence is for this being true, and you tell me there is nothing to prove.

There is something to prove. You need to show me how you conclude that they could do this. You are saying in your last post that any device with firmware can be bricked, but that is not what is being argued. That is not MS / Sony banning a console from offline play, at the flick of a switch.


Do you understand what I am asking of you?

I'm with you in that I don't think they could ban offline play last gen. It makes no sense for them to do this.

However, they are also not doing this in the new gen. I'm not sure why you think they are. That is exactly what this thread is about. This user was banned, but is still able to play offline. It just took him a while to figure it out due to the nature of pre-release software and the console ban. Albert was in here speculating, and what some posters took from it seems incorrect, but it appears the user just didn't know he needed to disconnect his console in order to truly play offline.

This gen is the same as the last. For better or worse.

 

[sith ewok]

I just can't even...

Never mind man. You clearly do not understand.

Any item that downloads firmware *can* be bricked from the other end. Companies wouldn't dare do it, probably, but the ability is there and it isn't too difficult.

 

[Zyae]

Thread needs a wall of shame.

for real, holy shit. People had the pitchforks out

 

[Hockeymac18]

I'd buy that more if it weren't for the fact that all of his posts since e3 have been negative leaks when regarding the XB1. You can say that there's been no good news to post but that's not true. DRM removal, region free, headset in the box, consoles as "dev kits", indies having all access to the system that a major pub has, and the (minor but still better than nothing) spec bump on the gpu and cpu. Basically all the lol 180 stuff.

He didn't post about any of that. Instead we get MS will make devs pretend ps4 versions don't exist at e3 (didn't happen), low yields leading to downgrades (low yields maybe but downgrades no), snapgate, resgate, impending "ass storm", and stupid 1 word drive-bys like 60sigh, and imagine designed to make people flip out.

Personally I'm not sure if he has an agenda or is playing to the current majority on gaf. But he definitely has a bug up his butt when it comes to the Xbox One.

Yea, I agree with your sentiment here. This is something I've noticed to, and honestly I've never wanted to bring it up in a CBOAT thread. But CBOAT's behavior lately does make me question his (or her?) true intentions...I don't know if I'd so far as to call it an agenda, but it certainly is very one-sided when it comes to the leaks.

I think since early this year, I've only seen one or two positive Xbox One thing leaked, and everything else has been downright negative. Sure, MS deserved a lot of shit pre-E3, but I think there have been A LOT of positive things that CBOAT, but didn't. Which is unfortunate because he/she has to know his/her status here on this board and what power he/she has...this is especially true with the one/two word drive by posts that get blown way up and throw the board (and sometimes gaming world) into a frenzy (often unnecessarily).

I appreciate what CBOAT does in bringing insider information to us, but I've definitely looked at his/her more recent leaks with a lot more bags of salt than I previously did.

I don't think Cboat ever said anything about downgrades.Not that I recall, at least.

I'm pretty sure one of CBOAT's leaks talked about processor down clocks, which I think might be what DarkCloud was referencing. And not too long after that leak, MS announced up clocks on the GPU (and later CPU), which caused a lot of head scratching (at least for me).

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I will try again to explain this, one last time.

You say that MS / Sony had the ability to ban a last gen console from offline play, at the flick of a switch. I ask you to show where the evidence is for this being true, and you tell me there is nothing to prove.

There is something to prove. You need to show me how you conclude that they could do this. You are saying in your last post that any device with firmware can be bricked, but that is not what is being argued. That is not MS / Sony banning a console from offline play, at the flick of a switch.


Do you understand what I am asking of you?

It might be off-topic but neither have banned people from playing games offline. I'm sure it may be possible but the user would have to download something that causes it to brick and not work. I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves since this isn't what happened to this guys XBox One.

 

[DarkCloud]

Any item that downloads firmware *can* be bricked from the other end. Companies wouldn't dare do it, probably, but the ability is there and it isn't too difficult.

And sadly it has happened before. The most recent being the last PS3 update that bricked certain upgraded hard drives.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Good news

 

[Teletraan1]

And sadly it has happened before. The most recent being the last PS3 update that bricked certain upgraded hard drives.

Are you suggesting this was intentional?

 

[Parakeetman]

And sadly it has happened before. The most recent being the last PS3 update that bricked certain upgraded hard drives.

I remember the phantasy star online 2 fiasco here in Japan which the patch for the game started to delete peoples system critical files for the OS lol.

Good times living in the days of "updates"...

 

[DarkCloud]

Are you suggesting this was intentional?

Absolutely not. In fact I applaud the fact that Sony was able to fix that issue as cleanly as they did. Just saying bugged firmware can and sadly sometimes does happen.

I remember the phantasy star online 2 fiasco here in Japan which the patch for the game started to delete peoples system critical files for the OS lol.

Good times living in the days of "updates"...

Heh...that actually reminds me of one of the old obsidian pc games that would wipe your C:drive if you installed it in root and then uninstalled it. Gotta love oops moments like that (unless you got hit by it.)

 

[Steel]

Yea, I agree with your sentiment here. This is something I've noticed to, and honestly I've never wanted to bring it up in a CBOAT thread. But CBOAT's behavior lately does make me question his (or her?) true intentions...I don't know if I'd so far as to call it an agenda, but it certainly is very one-sided when it comes to the leaks.

I think since early this year, I've only seen one or two positive Xbox One thing leaked, and everything else has been downright negative. Sure, MS deserved a lot of shit pre-E3, but I think there have been A LOT of positive things that CBOAT, but didn't. Which is unfortunate because he/she has to know his/her status here on this board and what power he/she has...this is especially true with the one/two word drive by posts that get blown way up and throw the board (and sometimes gaming world) into a frenzy (often unnecessarily).

To be fair, the only piece of positive ps4 leak info was a couple of game leaks, right? By that criteria, didn't CBOAT pretty much release the xbox one E3 lineup before E3?

 

[NoirVisage]

all I've got from this thread is that Penello knows as much as gaf when it comes to the inner workings of the Xboxone, the fact he couldn't get into settings should have been the biggest giveaway that he was still online.

 

[Parakeetman]

With things like these, you would think the companies by now would have at least a two tiered system which before going live with a firmware update for said system of choice that there is an initial group of willing guinea pi... I mean beta testers from the public who download it then check to see if there are any problems.

I mean there is only so much one can do with internal testing and these days with updates patches etc seems like folks rushing with schedules and what nots is only going to lead to more problems in the future. Even more so now with how we will be getting whole features patched in rather than just updates to existing software alone.

Absolutely not. In fact I applaud the fact that Sony was able to fix that issue as cleanly as they did. Just saying bugged firmware can and sadly sometimes does happen.




Heh...that actually reminds me of one of the old obsidian pc games that would wipe your C:drive if you installed it in root and then uninstalled it. Gotta love oops moments like that (unless you got hit by it.)

I think from what someone here managed to figure out was the problem that happened to folks with that patch was something similar. Since it was if you had the game installed in a certain way then the whole deleting of files would occur.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Have at it guys.

I lol'd.

Pump those brakes!

 

[jordan0386]

Joe Blow fucked up, then Albert gave out software info most of us didn't need to know.

 

[Chobel]

I'm pretty sure he alluded to games at e3 looking worse when we get them at launch. Saying they were going to downgrade the visuals either due to e3 machines being more powerful hardware and or horrible devtools.

Ryse looks better than E3 as does Killer Instinct. Forza 5 is a wash. So yeah didn't happen.

He never said any of those things.
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Have at it guys.

And let me get this stright, this guy was not able to play offline not because DRM, OS bug, Old build but because he's fucking stupid.

 

[onanie]

Penello said he was banned from Live- it gets unclear form there, whether the issue is an expired OS or dumb user error, but he's playing single player now. So its not a brick?

It's not an expired OS either, is it?

In the future, peterb0y, "essentially saying" something is not quite the same as saying it.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Ugh, why is it competent people never get things early.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I'm pretty sure one of CBOAT's leaks talked about processor down clocks, which I think might be what DarkCloud was referencing. And not too long after that leak, MS announced up clocks on the GPU (and later CPU), which caused a lot of head scratching (at least for me).

CBOAT never said a downclock, he said there were yield problems. Thuway chimed in stating a downclock and ever since then people have attributed the whole downclock nonsense with CBOAT.

 

[Chobel]

So we know now for sure it's not expired OS build, So why did Penello say that the guy can't play SP because he didn't have the latest OS build?

 

[onanie]

So we know now for sure it's not expired OS build, So why did Penello say that the guy can't play SP because he didn't have the latest OS build?

Because when you have a NeoGAF member as a source, who needs a technical fellow?

 

[ShootingB1anks]

There is no way Activision puts DRM on a X1 game and not on the PS4 version. That would make M$ look soooooo bad. I mean M$ is not stupid, they would get a ton of $hit for this.

 

[Hockeymac18]

CBOAT never said a downclock, he said there were yield problems. Thuway chimed in stating a downclock and ever since then people have attributed the whole downclock nonsense with CBOAT.

Ok, my mistake. Must have mixed those two up.

 

[bigboss370]

CBOAT never said a downclock, he said there were yield problems. Thuway chimed in stating a downclock and ever since then people have attributed the whole downclock nonsense with CBOAT.

right and cboat also mentioned positive things for black tusk's X1 game. Not to mention the games he revealed for E3. He doesn't have a bias against MS, he just releases info about it. He's allowed to not like the direction of the company. He's been here a loooong time, even before the 360.

 

[Steel]

There is no way Activision puts DRM on a X1 game and not on the PS4 version. That would make M$ look soooooo bad. I mean M$ is not stupid, they would get a ton of $hit for this.

Did... Did you even read the full OP?

 

[sol_bad]

Did this guy seriously not think of just pulling the Ethernet cable out or disconnecting the wifi?

 

[Garrett 2U]

There is no way Activision puts DRM on a X1 game and not on the PS4 version. That would make M$ look soooooo bad. I mean M$ is not stupid, they would get a ton of $hit for this.

haha this has to be a joke post

Did this guy seriously not think of just pulling the Ethernet cable out or disconnecting the wifi?

seems like it
maybe he was on wifi?

 

[ascii42]

Did this guy seriously not think of just pulling the Ethernet cable out or disconnecting the wifi?

He said something about not being able to access settings. If he was on wifi, then that would probably prevent him from turning off wifi. Though...I'm not sure exactly what would have changed to allow him to do so now.

 

[Bsigg12]

There is no way Activision puts DRM on a X1 game and not on the PS4 version. That would make M$ look soooooo bad. I mean M$ is not stupid, they would get a ton of $hit for this.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[CLEEK]

He said something about not being able to access settings. If he was on wifi, then that would probably prevent him from turning off wifi. Though...I'm not sure exactly what would have changed to allow him to do so now.

He could turn off his router / change his wifi password.

 

[Ambient80]

Wait, what? Why are we still having a debate in this thread? Did I miss something?

Dude. Console Wars. The Logic Boat sailed months ago.

 

[sol_bad]

He said something about not being able to access settings. If he was on wifi, then that would probably prevent him from turning off wifi. Though...I'm not sure exactly what would have changed to allow him to do so now.

Turn your router/modem off to check if it works in offline mode?

 

[ascii42]

Turn your router/modem off to check if it works in offline mode?

Right, I'm guessing he didn't think to do that, and Major Nelsen suggested it.

 

[Night Angel]

There is no way Activision puts DRM on a X1 game and not on the PS4 version. That would make M$ look soooooo bad. I mean M$ is not stupid, they would get a ton of $hit for this.

Did I accidentally log in to gamefaqs or gametrailers? Jesus.

Aaand of course it was nothing. Maybe we need to chill out a bit.

 

[Glass Shark]

EDIT: Nevermind. I misread "offline" as "online". Turns out that's kinda important.

 

[FaintColt388301]

To me, that implies he has an old OS and they do not want people to see it. That is totally fair enough. My point of contention is that this means they can shut down your console for offline play at their discretion. There is nothing to imply some kind of timer on the OS that prohibits gameplay without updating firmware. The user was banned, and could not play offline. That is horrendous.

I think you are confused as to what actually happened. He was banned and his console was not immediately bricked as a result of said ban. He both didn't know what he was doing and made something out of nothing and might be facing problems due to the OS not being completely ready. You are just making up a case of MS for the first time ever bricking a console by banning somebody and that just didn't happen. And you are saying that this is the first time ever a console manufacturer could do this, and as it's been said that also isn't true. It could have been done before but it (to our knowledge) never was.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So we know now for sure it's not expired OS build, So why did Penello say that the guy can't play SP because he didn't have the latest OS build?

I'm wondering the same. I believed him, but it seems that may have been misplaced.

If he didn't know, probably should have just stayed quiet until Nelson was able to respond and sort it out. Penello is coming across as someone who doesn't know very much about the technical side of the console and yet continues to try and address any and all technical issues/arguments.

Penello, I say this as much respect as possible, it's time to stop posting when it comes to technical issues. Just don't do it...

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Have at it guys.

What a twist.

 

[DragonSworne]

Turn your router/modem off to check if it works in offline mode?

That's a pretty shitty workaround.

So if you're console is banned and you have wifi, you need to disconnect all internet access for your house so your Xbox One can play offline games?

Unacceptable, won't believe that's the workaround.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

So why can't you access system settings when you're online and banned from Live? Why doesn't the console automatically go to offline mode after not being able to connect to Live? That's... a weird design decision, to say the least.