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[MoonFrog]

I dont understand the hate for Colin. I disagree with his politics most of the time but he is always great at understanding the game industry.

Idk I found his editorials annoying and wrong-headed back on IGN. Throw in he seems fond of Ayn Rand, whose writing presents extremely troubling world-views on things such as love, charity, rape, social responsibility, class, etc. while being obnoxious about it.

Then I tried Kinda Funny once. Tim had something negative to say about Nintendo. Suddenly Colin became like a Sith Lord telling him to embrace the hatred and let it out, as if it is only natural growth that being a Nintendo fan is a shell to be broken and a Past to be discarded. It was like the video-form of the stereotypical hyperbolic "Stockholm" syndrome post that gets levied against people who just happen to honestly like Nintendo.

I associate a lot of bad anti-Nintendo talking points with him in general. Idk. Think he was first guy I heard talking about Wii being an anomaly, for example. And use that damn graph like Ross Perot, was it? I think it was on Beyond or something. Maybe Game Scoop?

Then I find his GAF posts amusing. I feel guilty about this one, because his threads are such trainwrecks and he is treated so badly with tons of bad arguments and ad hominems among the good arguments as to why, no he's not right.

But anyways he comes on here, only talks to the people saying good things or stupid things; tells us he is loved by his girlfriend for being open-minded as if we know him like she does rather than by his refusal to engage here or acknowledge how he's wrong rather than just going "GAF gonna GAF lol;" says things like being a conservative against trump means he did more against trump than someone who isn't in that toxic movement to begin with, right in line with his "if you'd voted for Romney instead...;" assumes no one he is talking to does anything with their life, and then doesn't apologize when, no they happen to be a lawyer and not just some netizen running their mouth.

Basically, he comes across as someone who refuses to engage and throws up various proofs of his character and belittles the character of others instead of argument.

But idk. I feel bad that I enjoy the popcorn. Guy seems confused and hurt by disagreement and seems to just lash out.

Like, I don't disbelieve him that in personal life people find him engaged and respectful. He really doesn't act that way in public life from what I've seen.

But I haven't seen too much to be fair. Could just be his bad days.

Edit; but seriously it's a bad habit I have. I didn't come in here to contend with the video, which I didn't watch, but to lurk and see any fireworks.

 

[Suzushiiro]

After GT6, I'm not sure how true that is anymore. I doubt GT Sport will sell more than Uncharted 4, The Last of Us Part II and potentially God of War, unless GT6 was an anomaly and a victim of the PS4 launch hype.

GT6 was one of the first data points in the trend we saw of interest in last-gen consoles falling off a cliff instantaneously after the new generation hit, I'd say. At the same time I'd also agree that the series is past its peak and Sport probably won't outsell Sony's modern juggernauts like GoW and UC4, but it'll probably do significantly better than GT6.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I dont understand the hate for Colin. I disagree with his politics most of the time but he is always great at understanding the game industry.

He's always come across as the guy who's always been able to be slightly smarter than everybody else in the room, so he's never had to question his hardened ideological priors, either in gaming or politics.

I mean, the whole 'Colin Was Right' thing was a funny joke on Beyond that he's turned into an actual brand for reasons.

Even if he was a hardcore social democrat like me, I'd still find him annoying for his gaming opinions. He can write a hell of an article about the history of a company, but I question how many people at IGN couldn't have written that same article about their favorite developer given the same access and time.

I mean, I have zero doubt Marty Sliva for example could write a wonderful multi part series about Rare that's just as good as Colin's Naughty Dog pieces if he was given the opportunity.

 

[Unknown?]

The PS3's problems were worse than Xbox ones, imo. And they came back strong.

You know why? Cause they brung the games, apologized for their mistakes, and learned from them (instant game collection) and consistently brung out the games...

Ended the gen with a bang with TLOU, and surprised everyone with that February conference.

That's all you, they, have to do. Fuck the promises, the politics, the Bs... just keep the games coming.

If you don't have that, what's the point?

Spoiler

standing in line for a switch tonight

Heck no it wasn't! The only sin Sony made with the PS3 was its price. It was chock full of technology it's competitor didn't have such as full BC, wireless, hdmi, blu ray, and more! It was powerful and showed that in its first party content.

Whereas the Xbox One was expensive too but it had weaker tech. Then all of their anti consumer policies piled on top. They wanted more money for weaker hardware and they wanted to take away privileges that consumers were used to. Where as the PS3 wanted more money for superior hardware.

 

[kitzkozan]

There is simply no comparison. It has better graphics in most cases and absolutely better exclusive line up (Like, exponentially better). There's a total of zero reasons if you don't like GeOW, Halo and Forza to look at the Xbox side when you have a PS4 already. Taht's a shame because the 360 was a great great console. Most people I know migrated from brands, andf that's really surprising.

The Switch might be the real companion console imo.

This is saddening for me because it was refreshing to have a relatively new player on top or near it for a while. It brought me exposure to western developers since I skipped the original Xbox (thx to BC, I could still play games like Ninja Gaiden black). I ended up with near ~40 games on the 360 as it was my main console until 2012 at which point I bought more PS3 titles lol (you could tell Sony was seizing all the momentum).

Haven't bought the Xbox one since I don't care about Halo, Gears or Forza enough given that I know exactly what to expect out of those. :s

 

[rokkerkory]

It def won this gen but war is far from over.

 

[Bold One]

Here I thought Colin would be more inclined to the Xbox One's America First approach...

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Is it really, though?

It kinda still is, even GT6 sold 5m on the PS3. And that was after PS4 released. Don't underestimate EU, they also get cheaper PS4's there.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

I never said this, either. What I did say was that PS3's problems were microscopic (not minuscule) compared to Xbox One's. Because it's true.

I should do an episode of Colin Was Right chronicling the things NeoGAF users quote me as saying that I never said. It would be about five hours long, and would only cover the last two years. =)

Wait, are you taking issue with me misquoting you on microscopic vs minuscule? Can you explain what substantive difference you're taking from this objection?

 

[Herp Derpington]

Heck no it wasn't! The only sin Sony made with the PS3 was its price. It was chock full of technology it's competitor didn't have such as full BC, wireless, hdmi, blu ray, and more! It was powerful and showed that in its first party content.

Whereas the Xbox One was expensive too but it had weaker tech. Then all of their anti consumer policies piled on top. They wanted more money for weaker hardware and they wanted to take away privileges that consumers were used to. Where as the PS3 wanted more money for superior hardware.

Well to be fair Sony backed off full BC fairly early on. Wi-Fi was nice, MS added HDMI early enough where that advantage wasn't that big a deal, and Blu-ray necessitated HDD installs which was annoying. It was nice for movies though for sure. It's dashboard was Spartan at best and wasn't designed for in-game usage. MS got that part right. The standard HDD was nice. I'd argue against the more powerful part too as you can't compare 1st party stuff. Xbox had plenty of really good looking 1st party games and had the better GPU and RAM setup.

All in all their situations are more comparable than you give it credit for. That's the point. MS can make it respectable by focusing on the games because as much as someone want to bang the power difference drum it's not that big a deal. Only nerds like us care.

 

[Darth Smurf X]

Oh yeah, and he made a video about how Trump's taxation on imports plan will change the gaming industry. As if that's the only thing we should be worried about. Christ...

That video was posted in the "Kinda Funny GAMES" channel. You know, the channel DEDICATED TO VIDEO GAMES. Holy crap. I don't usually do actual facepalms when reading posts, but you, sir, pulled it off somehow. Congratulations.

And back on topic, I'd say the sins of the PS3 were equal to the Xbox One's. I was a loyal Sony fan until the PS3 reveal. That reveal tainted the entire system to the point where the PS3 was the only Sony console I never purchased and went full Xbox 360 that gen. The Xbox One reveal poisoned that system so completely, that I swung back into Sony's loving arms and the only way I see myself ever buying an Xbox One is if my X360 dies a horrible, red death and I feel the need to play Minecraft or some other BC game again.

 

[LordBaztion]

He's right, there is no much to say except in the part that PS3's problems were miniscule to X1's. That is not true, in the contrary, PS3 was in a worse situation exacerbated by the fact that Sony was a slow company and took a while to realise the problems in it's platform. Even though, after solving them were still behind MS' offerings.

Certainly MS has a rough way ahead but I see that they are trying to differenciate from Sony with a strong line of services. Games with Gold is consistently more mainstream appealing than Plus, EA Access and now Xbox Game Pass. Those are headed to lowering the entry cost for gaming and it's an innovative and forward thinking investment.

Besides, they are building a strong more open platform, first of all they have Windows Store wich is a great place for community to grow (they need to invest on gaming focused app developers, though), Backwards Compatibility is a loveletter to fans, Creator program, Xbox Play Anywhere.

Xbox future is exciting and I think they are going back to their strengths, disruption and innovation. However, it is no excuse to forget game development.

 

[Rumblebones]

In my estimation Microsoft did more to lose the war than Sony did to win it.

Horrendous policies, weak hardware, limited choice, inflated pricing and terrible messaging following a generation where they actually beat Sony is what cost them the momentum they had built with the 360.

If the XB1 was just a far more powerful 360 that focused on performance, they would have likely coasted on third party games alone and benefited from a lot of PS3 owners jumping over rather than the way it's gone this generation.

Microsoft have no one but themselves to blame however. Sony bounced back from their mistakes with the PS3 and they've earned every bit of the tremendous success they enjoy today.

 

[Thorrgal]

I liked it. I also look forward to the interviews next week. Sounded really interesting

 

[sugarhigh4242]

PS3's problems were miniscule to X1's. That is not true, in the contrary, PS3 was in a worse situation exacerbated by the fact that Sony was a slow company and took a while to realise the problems in it's platform. Even though, after solving them were still behind MS' offerings.

Yeah, I would like to discuss this too. Like not only was PS3 a year behind and $200 more expensive, Microsoft showed huge leadership with Xbox Live that completely blind-sided Sony. Coupled with games routinely performing worse on PS3 despite Sony pitching the machine as a super computer, and the whole launch period was a bloodbath.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

In my estimation Microsoft did more to lose the war than Sony did to win it.

Horrendous policies, weak hardware, limited choice, inflated pricing and terrible messaging following a generation where they actually beat Sony is what cost them the momentum they had built with the 360.

If the XB1 was just a far more powerful 360 that focused on performance, they would have likely coasted on third party games alone and benefited from a lot of PS3 owners jumping over rather than the way it's gone this generation.

Microsoft have no one but themselves to blame however. Sony bounced back from their mistakes with the PS3 and they've earned every bit of the tremendous success they enjoy today.

Microsoft's launch seemed to focus on "entertainment" more than gaming, and it was a massive misfire. The early adopter crowd is the hardcore gamer, and Sony spoke to them so much better than Microsoft did.

I got both the PS4 and XB1 on launch, and I've probably sunk 20 times more time into the PS4 than the XB1. I just don't like the XB1's interface, how slow it is to do anything (I installed and updated Halo 5 this week...it took 4 hours to be playable even on a wired 50Mbps connection), and how non-gaming stuff is still given so much real estate in the ecosystem.

Microsoft lost because they did almost everything wrong.

 

[Humdinger]

Said a lot of obvious stuff, stuff I already knew, and stuff we've been over a hundred times. Still, it's nice to hear it again, I suppose.

 

[Thorrgal]

$199 is about as low as they will ever go

Well PS4 Slim is 199 today in Eu so I'm sure it will go lower in the next 3 years, at some point

 

[Some Nobody]

I enjoyed watching this video, though I don't feel as if it offered much in the way of new information. One thing Colin did come across that I found particularly insightful was how Sony is really the cross-section of Nintendo and Microsoft, in that Wii U had the exclusives, XBox One had the multi-plats, and yet neither of them really got off the ground like the PS4 did. Seemingly, you really need both to get the message across to gamers that you're really about them.

Yeah there's a lot more involved in why both of those systems failed, but ultimately Sony proved the PS4 was for gaming enthusiasts by bringing the big multi-platform titles and killer exclusives. Sony really didn't rest on their laurels at all, and I appreciate that.

Well PS4 Slim is 199 today in Eu so I'm sure it will go lower in the next 3 years, at some point

Realistically, probably not. The most you'll see is like a bundle. At some point you run into the fact that they can't shrink it any further and the hard drive will be a fixed cost, so they'll be stuck and can only make buying it at $200 a better value.

 

[DangerMouse]

Heck no it wasn't! The only sin Sony made with the PS3 was its price. It was chock full of technology it's competitor didn't have such as full BC, wireless, hdmi, blu ray, and more! It was powerful and showed that in its first party content.

Whereas the Xbox One was expensive too but it had weaker tech. Then all of their anti consumer policies piled on top. They wanted more money for weaker hardware and they wanted to take away privileges that consumers were used to. Where as the PS3 wanted more money for superior hardware.

This.

 

[Curufinwe]

I dont understand the hate for Colin. I disagree with his politics most of the time but he is always great at understanding the game industry.

That's not even close to being true. His views on disc based games and PS4 Pro being an "unforced error" show a profound misunderstanding of the game industry. Like many American conservatives, he just ignores facts that get in the way of what he wants reality to be. Like console games being significantly cheaper to buy in disc format, and the obvious benefit to Sony of having a premium SKU they can sell millions of units of in years 4-6 of the PS4.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Heck no it wasn't! The only sin Sony made with the PS3 was its price. It was chock full of technology it's competitor didn't have such as full BC, wireless, hdmi, blu ray, and more! It was powerful and showed that in its first party content.

Whereas the Xbox One was expensive too but it had weaker tech. Then all of their anti consumer policies piled on top. They wanted more money for weaker hardware and they wanted to take away privileges that consumers were used to. Where as the PS3 wanted more money for superior hardware.

PS3 didn't have trophies, game invites, or an in-game system menu at launch. The store was a shitty webpage. It never got a cross game party/chat system. And basically every game ran better on 360 in the first 2-3 years. You're right about the extra tech in PS3, but none of that was essential to users to justify paying a $200 premium (most of which was added in 360 revisions).

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

Why does everyone act like PlayStation didn't sell 130 million PlayStation 2's. Both 360 and ps3 sold 88 million systems. With the ps3 coming out a year later and at 599. Also who in the world didn't have to buy at least 2 360's because of red ring of death?

The reality is the ps4 is successful because Sony launched a PlayStation at a good price with easy to use hardware. The PlayStation brand has been the strongest gaming brand for 20 years.

But as an American I know we love telling ourselfs how great we are. So with a little success we go from underdog to king of the world even when having to spend 1 billion dollars fixing all the holes in out s*it.

Don't think I've ever read truer words on neogaf.

:ThumbsUp:

 

[SatansReverence]

More powerful and heaper

Vs

Less powerful and more expensive.

Add in most big ticket games being multiplat.

Anyone who thought it was going to turn out differently was delusional.

 

[Thorrgal]

I enjoyed watching this video, though I don't feel as if it offered much in the way of new information. One thing Colin did come across that I found particularly insightful was how Sony is really the cross-section of Nintendo and Microsoft, in that Wii U had the exclusives, XBox One had the multi-plats, and yet neither of them really got off the ground like the PS4 did. Seemingly, you really need both to get the message across to gamers that you're really about them.

Yeah there's a lot more involved in why both of those systems failed, but ultimately Sony proved the PS4 was for gaming enthusiasts by bringing the big multi-platform titles and killer exclusives. Sony really didn't rest on their laurels at all, and I appreciate that.



Realistically, probably not. The most you'll see is like a bundle. At some point you run into the fact that they can't shrink it any further and the hard drive will be a fixed cost, so they'll be stuck and can only make buying it at $200 a better value.

We'll see!! A bundle is a given buy I'm sure it will get as low as 150 at some point

 

[Conduit]

360 was more powerful,

Naaaah. It was just easier for game development. That's why multiplatform games performed better on X360

 

[DiscoDave]

Bit obvious but yes was the messaging plus the world wide recognised playstation brand.

 

[Archtreyz]

That's not even close to being true. His views on disc based games and PS4 Pro being an "unforced error" show a profound misunderstanding of the game industry. Like many American conservatives, he just ignores facts that get in the way of what he wants reality to be. Like console games being significantly cheaper to buy in disc format, and the obvious benefit to Sony of having a premium SKU they can sell millions of units of in years 4-6 of the PS4.

Disc based games are cheaper right now, but the mainstream will adopt a disc-less culture rather quickly. Anyone who thinks otherwise, look at PC gaming. As consoles try to adopt more PC-like structure, they're marketplaces will also become more like that too. You also see tens of reports every year from big name publishers about how digital gaming is on the rise. People switch to digital year after year. You can deny it all you want, but it's a process that's already started.

 

[Unknown?]

Disc based games are cheaper right now, but the mainstream will adopt a disc-less culture rather quickly. Anyone who thinks otherwise, look at PC gaming. As consoles try to adopt more PC-like structure, they're marketplaces will also become more like that too. You also see tens of reports every year from big name publishers about how digital gaming is on the rise. People switch to digital year after year. You can deny it all you want, but it's a process that's already started.

Just taking advantage of people's laziness. That's the primary reason why digital is on the rise but it won't take over for awhile until internet providers step up their game.

 

[Snakeyes]

Being up against two of the biggest PR and marketing disasters in console history is a good start.