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[Brian Fellows]

There's also quite a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment behind it, though few will admit it.

I'll admit it.

 

[jakncoke]

Yes, because everyone hates Army and Navy.

ND is hated because they are ND not because they are independent.

I hate em just because they are bitches and schedule like such and NCAA rewards them with easy BCS bowl paths.

Sidethought: Seriously Joe PA, give the starting QB already -_-

 

[AlteredBeast]

Really? I thought people hated teams that could just pick their opponents and have all their games televised nationally.

Looks like BYU cant really be blamed when they are trying to schedule big opponents home and away.

 

[suaveric]

I wonder if that's just for football or everything. MSU got real lucky if that's the break down for basketball.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

There's also quite a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment behind it, though few will admit it.

BYU's religious stigma is even more severe.

Maybe old people that hate what the Irish and Italians have done to this country, but not me. I don't like them because the media tries to ram down my throat how great they are when they haven't done anything in 20 years.

 

[Cyan]

Yeah, come to think of it, I dislike ND for much the same reason I dislike the SEC.

 

[bachikarn]

There's also quite a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment behind it, though few will admit it.

I hate ND and I'm catholic.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

The Big 10 has been renamed the Big Zen:

 

[bucknuticus]

Wait guy, the best news of this conference split. Now OSU and Illinois get to play every year for the Illibuck! VICTORY!

 

[Brian Fellows]

I wonder if that's just for football or everything. MSU got real lucky if that's the break down for basketball.

Pretty sure its just football. There is no need for divisions in basketball when everything gets decided by a tournament at the end anyway.

 

[Cyan]

The Big 10 has been renamed the Big Zen:

Ok... that's awesome.

 

[bluemax]

People hate ND because they were sort of like the Yankees or Dallas Cowboys of college football, the band wagon team of choice that was always annoyingly good and what not. I'm sure there are some who hate them for being a Catholic school but I think that's a minority.

As someone who grew up in Washington, until I got to USC the most I really knew about ND was that stupid movie Rudy.

Now of course I hate those Golden Domers with every fiber of my being.

 

[BertramCooper]

The Big 10 has been renamed the Big Zen:

It looks like we'll have the Elephant Division and the Whale Division.

 

[andycapps]

Sources: Big Ten to reveal alignment


Here's the split, according to Katz:

• Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern and Minnesota.

• Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana and Illinois.

People on Bucknuts are saying that OSU and Michigan will still be playing the last game of the regular season. As long as that's true, I guess I'm okay with it. Still, I hate that they're going ACC-style with the split. There needs to be some geographic logic to them, and this doesn't have any.

Traditional power wise, I think that makes a lot of sense. Regionally, it makes no sense, but I don't think it was possible and to then preserve the matchups everyone wanted while still being balanced and not being a Big 12 North/South situation.

 

[BertramCooper]

Wait guy, the best news of this conference split. Now OSU and Illinois get to play every year for the Illibuck! VICTORY!

Fucket and Dipper will be thrilled.

 

[Subitai]

I hate em just because they are bitches and schedule like such and NCAA rewards them with easy BCS bowl paths.

Sidethought: Seriously Joe PA, give the starting QB already -_-

Bolden baby, BELIEVE!

Eh, doesn't really matter if the line doesn't gel. Let McGloin in there to soak up the sacks early on.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I had to go look up Illibuck.

So many things I expected before a wooden turtle.

 

[bucknuticus]

I had to go look up Illibuck.

So many things I expected before a wooden turtle.

:lol :lol :lol It used to be a real turtle that they carved the scores into its back lol.

 

[KingGondo]

I had to go look up Illibuck.

So many things I expected before a wooden turtle.

I was personally thinking it was a politically corrupt deer.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

The first thing I honestly thought it would be was something deal with the old Illini mascot and buckeyes.

Then I did think it was actually, some old timey-currency.

I don't know why, but I never really left the realm of weird craft fair items made of fake Native American items and buckeyes.

 

[Subitai]

Found this looking for the Illibuck

Now it's starting to feel real.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

How is it pronounced?

Ill-Eye-Buck?

Or

Ill-ee-buck?

 

[bucknuticus]

How is it pronounced?

Ill-Eye-Buck?

Or

Ill-ee-buck?

The second one. Ill-ee-buck, actually its more like Ill-a-buck

 

[BertramCooper]

More like Ill-ih-buck.

 

[Feep]

So guys (I'm serious), I have not given a flying fuck about all this offseason conference bullshit. Can someone give me a quick rundown of the final changes that have happened between last season and this season, conference-wise?

 

[chuckddd]

Actually, it's do-not-giv-a-shizzle. Alert me if Illinois gets a team strong enough to keep the turtle for more than one year out of every ten.

 

[BertramCooper]

So guys (I'm serious), I have not given a flying fuck about all this offseason conference bullshit. Can someone give me a quick rundown of the final changes that have happened between last season and this season, conference-wise?

This is not chronological, but here's an overview of what teams will be moving over the next couple of years (most take effect in 2011 or 2012).

-Colorado will leave the Big 12 for the Pac 10
-Utah will leave the Mountain West for the Pac 10
-Nebraska will leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten
-Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada will leave the WAC for the Mountain West
-BYU will leave the Mountain West to become independent (football only, will join West Coast Conference in all other sports)

Please correct me if any of this is wrong, or if I missed anything.

 

[Feep]

Yay Utah?

Thanks.

 

[Cyan]

This is not chronological, but here's an overview of what teams will be moving over the next couple of years (most take effect in 2011 or 2012).

-Colorado will leave the Big 12 for the Pac 10
-Utah will leave the Mountain West for the Pac 10
-Nebraska will leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten
-Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada will leave the WAC for the Mountain West
-BYU will leave the Mountain West to become independent (football only, will join West Coast Conference in all other sports)

Please correct me if any of this is wrong, or if I missed anything.

That's about it. Might also add that the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-12, and that the Pac-12, the Big Tenwelve, and the Big Xii will all be playing 9 game conference schedules. The Pac-12 and Big Tenwelve will add CCGs, the Big Xii goes round-robin.

The MWC remains the strongest non-BCS conference, but still has no hope of getting the auto-bid they've been chasing.

And the WAC is all but done. They've lost their three best teams, and have only six members, two less than is required to remain a going concern.

 

[chuckddd]

This is not chronological, but here's an overview of what teams will be moving over the next couple of years (most take effect in 2011 or 2012).

-Colorado will leave the Big 12 for the Pac 10
-Utah will leave the Mountain West for the Pac 10
-Nebraska will leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten
-Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada will leave the WAC for the Mountain West
-BYU will leave the Mountain West to become independent (football only, will join West Coast Conference in all other sports)

Please correct me if any of this is wrong, or if I missed anything.

That's a whole lot of fun boiled down into five boring bullet points.

 

[Cyan]

That's a whole lot of fun boiled down into five boring bullet points.

Yeah, it's much less exciting with all the drama excised.

 

[BertramCooper]

That's a whole lot of fun boiled down into five boring bullet points.

Perhaps I'll expand it into an opera starring Dan Beebe (Castrato).

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Yeah, it's much less exciting with all the drama excised.

Stupid MDC not being formed.


Oh well, I have to look forward to ESPN paying us 30 million in a year or two to be able to broadcast our games.

 

[Fisticuffs]

That's about it. Might also add that the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-12, and that the Pac-12, the Big Tenwelve, and the Big Xii will all be playing 9 game conference schedules. The Pac-12 and Big Tenwelve will add CCGs, the Big Xii goes round-robin.

The MWC remains the strongest non-BCS conference, but still has no hope of getting the auto-bid they've been chasing.

And the WAC is all but done. They've lost their three best teams, and have only six members, two less than is required to remain a going concern.

so at this point what do you think MWC needs to do to get back into position to get an auto-bid? I'm just curious im not against what you say or anything. I actually agree.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Stupid MDC not being formed.


Oh well, I have to look forward to ESPN paying us 30 million in a year or two to be able to broadcast our games.

Don't worry, it's destiny. It'll come up again in two years with Texas.

 

[dabig2]

Sources: Big Ten to reveal alignment


Here's the split, according to Katz:

• Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern and Minnesota.

• Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana and Illinois.

People on Bucknuts are saying that OSU and Michigan will still be playing the last game of the regular season. As long as that's true, I guess I'm okay with it. Still, I hate that they're going ACC-style with the split. There needs to be some geographic logic to them, and this doesn't have any.

Eh, not all too bad for the Illini. 2 very winnable games in Purdue and Indiana with both being long-time rivals. The important trophy games are preserved (Ohio St, Purdue). And I'm assuming Northwestern becomes the every year cross-division rivalry game to preserve that trophy game (Land of Lincoln I believe it was renamed). Though I wanted Iowa more as a nice little rivalry was brewing there.

So preserved cross-division rivalries will probably be Ohio St/Michigan, Illinois/NW, Wisconsin/Minnesota, Indiana/ Michigan St, Iowa/Wisconsin(?), Nebraska/Penn St(?).

 

[chuckddd]

so at this point what do you think MWC needs to do to get back into position to get an auto-bid? I'm just curious im not against what you say or anything. I actually agree.

I don't agree that the MWC had no hope of getting an automatic bid. As it is, they're screwed. I'm not sure how things are going to shake out, but their best hope is that the TaTBC

Spoiler

Texas and Texas' Bitches Conference

falls apart again and they somehow pick up some of the better football schools.

 

[BJK]

Ok... that's awesome.

As a Badger fan....it kinda sucks. Since the two schools that Wisconsin has long-standing rivalries with (Minnesota & the Axe, and they've been playing Iowa long before the Heartland trophy started up) and the school they wanted to start a football rivalry with (Nebraska) are all in the other conference.

If you were to seed the 12 schools by winning percentage (since Penn State joined the BT in 1993)

Division A
1) Ohio State
4) Penn State
5) UW
7) Purdue
11) Minnesota
12) Indiana


Division B
2) Michigan
3) Nebraska
6) Iowa
8) Michigan State
9) Northwestern
10) Illinois

Source: J-S Online Badgers blog.

The proposed alignment flips Minnesota and Illinois, taking away the only rivalry the Badgers would have preserved with the conference formatting. So we go from 3 potential rivalries, down to one annual rivalry game.

...and I would throw up a little if these divisions were to be used in Mens basketball.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

so at this point what do you think MWC needs to do to get back into position to get an auto-bid? I'm just curious im not against what you say or anything. I actually agree.

A formula does exist:

1. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average of each conference's highest ranked team at the end of each regular season.

2. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average computer rankings of every conference's full roster of teams at the end of each regular season.

3. The conference must accumulate a score of at least 50 percent of the highest ranking conference's score in the Adjusted Top-25 Performance Ranking, which measures how many teams each conference placed in the BCS top 25 and adjusts for conference size.

They actually fit into 1 and 3, but fail at point 2.

 

[Fisticuffs]

A formula does exist:

1. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average of each conference's highest ranked team at the end of each regular season.

2. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average computer rankings of every conference's full roster of teams at the end of each regular season.

3. The conference must accumulate a score of at least 50 percent of the highest ranking conference's score in the Adjusted Top-25 Performance Ranking, which measures how many teams each conference placed in the BCS top 25 and adjusts for conference size.

i call it the Jim Crow law of the BCS

 

[ccbfan]

A formula does exist:

1. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average of each conference's highest ranked team at the end of each regular season.

2. The conference must finish among the top six in a listing of the average computer rankings of every conference's full roster of teams at the end of each regular season.

3. The conference must accumulate a score of at least 50 percent of the highest ranking conference's score in the Adjusted Top-25 Performance Ranking, which measures how many teams each conference placed in the BCS top 25 and adjusts for conference size.

They actually fit into 1 and 3, but fail at point 2.

They'll probably fail 3 soon too after the add a bajillion dead weight from the WAC and CUSA to compensate for losing both BYU and Utah. (More importantly the TV sets that comes with them, I hear that 70+ percent of their TV rev comes from the state of Utah)

 

[ConfusingJazz]

i call it the Jim Crow law of the BCS

Pish, this isn't racist.



Its oligarchic, there is a difference.

 

[Subitai]

As a Badger fan....it kinda sucks. Since the two schools that Wisconsin has long-standing rivalries with (Minnesota & the Axe, and they've been playing Iowa long before the Heartland trophy started up) and the school they wanted to start a football rivalry with (Nebraska) are all in the other conference.

If you were to seed the 12 schools by winning percentage (since Penn State joined the BT in 1993)

Division A
1) Ohio State
4) Penn State
5) UW
7) Purdue
11) Minnesota
12) Indiana


Division B
2) Michigan
3) Nebraska
6) Iowa
8) Michigan State
9) Northwestern
10) Illinois

Source: J-S Online Badgers blog.

The proposed alignment flips Minnesota and Illinois, taking away the only rivalry the Badgers would have preserved with the conference formatting. So we go from 3 potential rivalries, down to one annual rivalry game.

...and I would throw up a little if these divisions were to be used in Mens basketball.

Yeah, Wisc. seems to lose the most in all of this as far as losing traditional rivalries. At the same time Wisc. gets OSU & Penn State EVERY YEAR along with two gimmes with the Indy teams for giving up Neb. and Mich. As a Penn State fan, I'm really pleased to have 2 easy games vs 4 trip up games Neb. and Mich. now have every year.

However, in the eventual expansion south or east, I think Wisc. might be sent back west anyway. Just a sucky place to thanks to Wisc. position in the conference pecking order. =/

 

[jstevenson]

Sept. 1, 2010

BIG TEN ANNOUNCES FOOTBALL DIVISION ALIGNMENTS
AND 2011 AND 2012 CONFERENCE SCHEDULES
Big Ten division winners to meet in inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game

Park Ridge, Ill. ? The Big Ten Conference office announced football division alignments beginning with the 2011 season as recommended by conference directors of athletics and reviewed and supported by the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors. Nebraska will officially begin conference competition in 2011, giving the Big Ten 12 football programs for the first time in conference history.

The winner of each Big Ten division will meet in the inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game, to be played December 3, 2011, at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. The championship game will determine the Big Ten Champion and the conference’s participant in the Rose Bowl Game or Bowl Championship Series National Championship Game.

The Big Ten football division alignments will include a division featuring Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin, and a division featuring Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska and Northwestern. Each school will play the other five schools within its division and will also face three teams from the other division, including one cross-division matchup guaranteed on an annual basis. The guaranteed cross-division matchups are Illinois-Northwestern, Indiana-Michigan State, Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State-Nebraska, Purdue-Iowa and Wisconsin-Minnesota. Names for each Big Ten football division will be announced at a later date.

“Over the past several months, Big Ten staff and directors of athletics have met on several occasions to discuss and finalize division alignments,” said Big Ten Commissioner James E. Delany. “We focused on competitive equality, traditional rivalries and geography. We considered multiple models and countless permutations in an effort to achieve the most competitively balanced divisions while at the same time respecting our traditions, preserving existing rivalries, and creating opportunities for the establishment and growth of new rivalries. We have listened to the feedback from our institutions, alumni and fans, and while we understand that no final alignments could possibly satisfy all of our constituents, we believe that we have achieved a very exciting result.”

With the division alignments finalized, the Big Ten also announced updated conference schedules for the 2011 and 2012 football seasons. The 2011 and 2012 intraconference schedules are attached as PDFs.

The 115th season of Big Ten football kicks off Thursday, Sept. 2, as Indiana hosts Towson, Minnesota plays at Middle Tennessee State, and Ohio State welcomes Marshall. The conference’s other eight teams open action on Saturday, Sept. 4.

 

[Cereal]

Here are some of the latest photos of the renovations to Neyland. So much orange, so beautiful...

 

[Subitai]

Champ games for proposed divisions:

2009 Ohio State vs Nebraska/Iowa
2008 Ohio State vs Michigan State
2007 Ohio State vs Michigan
2006 Ohio State vs Michigan
2005 Penn State vs Michigan
2004 Wisconsin vs Michigan
2003 Ohio State vs Michigan
2002 Ohio State vs Iowa
2001 Illinois vs Nebraska
2000 Purdue vs Nebraska/Northwestern
1999 Wisconsin vs Nebraska
1998 Wisconsin/Ohio State vs Michigan
1997 Penn State vs Nebraska/Michigan
1996 Penn State vs Nebraska
1995 Ohio State vs Nebraska/Northwestern
1994 Penn State vs Nebraska
1993 Ohio State/Wisconsin vs Nebraska

Only 6 games without 2 of the big 4 and none without either. That looks like a lot of big time money games even if only 4 of them are tOSU vs Mich. Maybe those consultants knew what they were doing after all sacrificing rivalry games.

 

[bucknuticus]

Sept. 1, 2010

BIG TEN ANNOUNCES FOOTBALL DIVISION ALIGNMENTS
AND 2011 AND 2012 CONFERENCE SCHEDULES
Big Ten division winners to meet in inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game

Park Ridge, Ill. ? The Big Ten Conference office announced football division alignments beginning with the 2011 season as recommended by conference directors of athletics and reviewed and supported by the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors. Nebraska will officially begin conference competition in 2011, giving the Big Ten 12 football programs for the first time in conference history.

The winner of each Big Ten division will meet in the inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game, to be played December 3, 2011, at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. The championship game will determine the Big Ten Champion and the conference’s participant in the Rose Bowl Game or Bowl Championship Series National Championship Game.

The Big Ten football division alignments will include a division featuring Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin, and a division featuring Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska and Northwestern. Each school will play the other five schools within its division and will also face three teams from the other division, including one cross-division matchup guaranteed on an annual basis. The guaranteed cross-division matchups are Illinois-Northwestern, Indiana-Michigan State, Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State-Nebraska, Purdue-Iowa and Wisconsin-Minnesota. Names for each Big Ten football division will be announced at a later date.

“Over the past several months, Big Ten staff and directors of athletics have met on several occasions to discuss and finalize division alignments,” said Big Ten Commissioner James E. Delany. “We focused on competitive equality, traditional rivalries and geography. We considered multiple models and countless permutations in an effort to achieve the most competitively balanced divisions while at the same time respecting our traditions, preserving existing rivalries, and creating opportunities for the establishment and growth of new rivalries. We have listened to the feedback from our institutions, alumni and fans, and while we understand that no final alignments could possibly satisfy all of our constituents, we believe that we have achieved a very exciting result.”

With the division alignments finalized, the Big Ten also announced updated conference schedules for the 2011 and 2012 football seasons. The 2011 and 2012 intraconference schedules are attached as PDFs.

The 115th season of Big Ten football kicks off Thursday, Sept. 2, as Indiana hosts Towson, Minnesota plays at Middle Tennessee State, and Ohio State welcomes Marshall. The conference’s other eight teams open action on Saturday, Sept. 4.

Got a link? Or at least a link to to the pdf?

 

[Subitai]

Sept. 1, 2010

BIG TEN ANNOUNCES FOOTBALL DIVISION ALIGNMENTS
AND 2011 AND 2012 CONFERENCE SCHEDULES
Big Ten division winners to meet in inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game

Park Ridge, Ill. ? The Big Ten Conference office announced football division alignments beginning with the 2011 season as recommended by conference directors of athletics and reviewed and supported by the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors. Nebraska will officially begin conference competition in 2011, giving the Big Ten 12 football programs for the first time in conference history.

The winner of each Big Ten division will meet in the inaugural Big Ten Football Championship Game, to be played December 3, 2011, at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. The championship game will determine the Big Ten Champion and the conference’s participant in the Rose Bowl Game or Bowl Championship Series National Championship Game.

The Big Ten football division alignments will include a division featuring Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin, and a division featuring Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska and Northwestern. Each school will play the other five schools within its division and will also face three teams from the other division, including one cross-division matchup guaranteed on an annual basis. The guaranteed cross-division matchups are Illinois-Northwestern, Indiana-Michigan State, Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State-Nebraska, Purdue-Iowa and Wisconsin-Minnesota. Names for each Big Ten football division will be announced at a later date.

“Over the past several months, Big Ten staff and directors of athletics have met on several occasions to discuss and finalize division alignments,” said Big Ten Commissioner James E. Delany. “We focused on competitive equality, traditional rivalries and geography. We considered multiple models and countless permutations in an effort to achieve the most competitively balanced divisions while at the same time respecting our traditions, preserving existing rivalries, and creating opportunities for the establishment and growth of new rivalries. We have listened to the feedback from our institutions, alumni and fans, and while we understand that no final alignments could possibly satisfy all of our constituents, we believe that we have achieved a very exciting result.”

With the division alignments finalized, the Big Ten also announced updated conference schedules for the 2011 and 2012 football seasons. The 2011 and 2012 intraconference schedules are attached as PDFs.

The 115th season of Big Ten football kicks off Thursday, Sept. 2, as Indiana hosts Towson, Minnesota plays at Middle Tennessee State, and Ohio State welcomes Marshall. The conference’s other eight teams open action on Saturday, Sept. 4.

Something inevitably wouldn't mesh nicely. Iowa and MSU get usually easy games that no one cares about. The rest of the protected games look really good.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Being a BYU football fan, I'm quite happy about the Cougars going independent, but I do feel for the MWC and WAC just a bit. This whole mess started when Craig Thompson (commissioner of the MWC) got the conference into a horrible TV deal and negotiated some truly awful bowl affiliations. Both BYU and Utah have carried the MWC in a very large way, and it's only right that they should be able to go out and seek better opportunity when the MWC was so insistent on bad TV deals.

When was the last time you saw a home MWC game if you don't live in the MWC market? It's probably been since they were on ESPN before the deal with Comcast and The Mtn channel. Craig Thompson absolutely killed the visibility of the conference when they played home games, which was ridiculous.

Now, the WAC is in a bad way, but throwing that blame on BYU is all wrong. BYU wanted to work it out with them, but the MWC swiped their top teams away. Why would BYU stick with a conference that's dead with or without them? It doesn't make sense. Also, why would they go back to the MWC and continue with their yearly trips to the Las Vegas bowl? Enough is enough.

The WCC makes great sense for BYU as they're religious schools and they'll fit in well. For football, independence is great because they have solid deals with ESPN already and BYU has BYU-TV which is an HD channel with good distribution already. This is the best thing to happen to BYU football since we had that one black guy that was fast.

 

[Battlezone]

There's a lot of handwringing about OSU/Michigan being at the end of the season and potentially playing two weeks in a row. Which got me thinking-has that situation ever occurred in any of the other CCG conferences? A rematch immediately after the regular season game?