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College Football 2010 Week 1: Destiny Unmanifested
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Bolden gets the starting QB, although all 3 will likely get time during the blowout this weekend.
Bolden gets the starting QB, although all 3 will likely get time during the blowout this weekend.
NEOPARADIGM
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So there were three fairly viable options regarding UM and OSU, and of course the B10 chooses the one I like least.
Just heard someone on BTN comment that these moves weren't about money, but about preserving rivalries, blah blah blah. I see it exactly the other way: B10 officials saw that they could potentially have an OSU-UM game 13, 14 or 15 times per decade instead of 10, and their eyes lit up with dollar signs.
UM-OSU game, instead of being for the B10 title as it has been historically, evolves into being for the right to play in the conf. title game. Seems like a perfectly appropriate trade-off in the wake of the changes.
Now we get the potential for there to be an OSU-UM game where both have already clinched their divisions. That'll be awesome. :eyeroll:
Not to mention,
Just heard someone on BTN comment that these moves weren't about money, but about preserving rivalries, blah blah blah. I see it exactly the other way: B10 officials saw that they could potentially have an OSU-UM game 13, 14 or 15 times per decade instead of 10, and their eyes lit up with dollar signs.
UM-OSU game, instead of being for the B10 title as it has been historically, evolves into being for the right to play in the conf. title game. Seems like a perfectly appropriate trade-off in the wake of the changes.
Now we get the potential for there to be an OSU-UM game where both have already clinched their divisions. That'll be awesome. :eyeroll:
Not to mention,
there is no way to finagle this new alignment into NCAA 11!
BertramCooper
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Yeah, it's definitely not ideal. East/West would have been as close to ideal as we could have gotten.NEOPARADIGM said:
But if Michigan's current state is any indication, it's not something we'll have to worry about for at least 3-4 years, and it still might be a rarity even if both teams are competitive. Plus, if the Big Ten chooses to expand again, there's a possibility that the divisions will need to be overhauled in the future.
Well there is no reason to finangle it into NCAA 11 since it doesn't go into effect until UNL joins you.
Also, I don't really see the issue. It's still a rivalry game and while both teams may have theoretically clinched their division it could still have national title implications. Texas and OU was a huge rivalry game well before we were in the same conference at all.. and OU/NU is still a huge rivalry as well. The problem there being they only play twice every 4 years. In that case, I don't actually think those two have met in a Big 12 title game yet. I guess it's this year or bust for the biggest rivalry matchup inthe B12 title game.
The bigger issue is they should have moved the annual game. I know you people would have had a shit storm if you didn't close the season against them, but the real yawner is going to be potential back to back games between the same two teams.
Also, I don't really see the issue. It's still a rivalry game and while both teams may have theoretically clinched their division it could still have national title implications. Texas and OU was a huge rivalry game well before we were in the same conference at all.. and OU/NU is still a huge rivalry as well. The problem there being they only play twice every 4 years. In that case, I don't actually think those two have met in a Big 12 title game yet. I guess it's this year or bust for the biggest rivalry matchup inthe B12 title game.
The bigger issue is they should have moved the annual game. I know you people would have had a shit storm if you didn't close the season against them, but the real yawner is going to be potential back to back games between the same two teams.
NEOPARADIGM
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BertramCooper said:
Agreed, but just knowing it's possible ... 11-0 vs. 11-0, #1 vs. #2, and it would literally mean jack shit.
I mean, we'll see how it shakes out, obviously. I'm not bent out of shape or anything. Just doesn't seem right.
BertramCooper
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Yeah, this is true as well.StoOgE said:
If both OSU and UM find themselves in the hunt for a national championship (like in 2006), they're certainly not going to overlook the regular season game because of a guaranteed rematch. Late-season losses are far too devastating in college football.
And envision this scenario: Both OSU and UM enter The Game undefeated. UM wins, knocking OSU out of national championship contention. But the next week in the conference championship, OSU beats UM, winning the conference title, securing a spot in the Rose Bowl, and knocking UM out of the national championship game AND the Rose Bowl.
I'm still not sold on it, but there are definitely some interesting possible scenarios.
It would be what I'd worried about. If you split the games up (if the scenario happened) and played in the middle of the season, then rematched in the CCG, enough time has passed to build up that hype train.
Play it back to back, and the 1st game is a waste of time, because the only game that'd matter would be the CCG.
Unless say, one team beating the other, causes the other team to miss the CCG game
Play it back to back, and the 1st game is a waste of time, because the only game that'd matter would be the CCG.
Unless say, one team beating the other, causes the other team to miss the CCG game
Vanillalite
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I'll get this in before the seasons starts...
GT goes 10-2 and to another high profile bowl. We won't go undefeated, but our offense should be fine. Our D just needs to be just slightly better and we win a few close games to go 10-2. D should be better to with Groh coaching.
GT goes 10-2 and to another high profile bowl. We won't go undefeated, but our offense should be fine. Our D just needs to be just slightly better and we win a few close games to go 10-2. D should be better to with Groh coaching.
bucknuticus
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Lol I just realized something. I run a big 10 online dynasty in NCAA 11 and decided to add Nebraska into the big 10 so I put all the big 10 schools into the big 12. The best part is the divisions I made are exactly this lol. Call me buckadamus.
jstevenson
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StoOgE said:
Yeah, but that's rough to be A. pared with one of the three heavies from the opposite division (totally fair though since Mich/OSU are) - but then to also get Wisc and tOSU in the first year, and back-to-back.
I recognize that the Big Ten is trying to have as many marquee matchups as possible in year one, in order to renegotiate with ESPN/ABC and make more money for everyone - but OUCH.
We knew we'd face all those teams, just didn't expect Wiscy and tOSU in the same year. Good news is that 2013 and 2014 will be much easier with both of those teams rotated out, and only Mich/Iowa/PSU in our way.
NEOPARADIGM
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StoOgE said:
Right, but I'm playing Dynasty mode 7, 8, 10 years into the future - you can move the B10 teams into the Big XII, but there's no one in the Big XII who plays a crossover game the last week of the season. (Gee, I wonder why!)
People would have been pissed, no doubt, but playing OSU, say, in the conference opener, then potentially having a rematch later in the season, I was in favor of that. But you're right, I was certainly in the minority there.
NEOPARADIGM
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JCX said:
That's what I'm gonna end up doing, yeah, but you can't get the divisions right and have OSU-UM play in the last game.
BTN just posted poll results for if the fans like the new alignment: 68% Yes, 32% No.
BertramCooper
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In terms of the conference championship, you're right.Lonestar said:
But in terms of national championship, both games would be extremely important. There is a long history of sabotage in the OSU/UM rivalry, and the scenario I described above certainly would play into that.
It's still pretty harebrained, though. I have a serious issue with the fact that the division alignment was largely based a purely hypothetical situation that is not going to happen any time soon, if ever.
BertramCooper said:
I think it would be great for the team that loses the game. You have another shot at revenge or whatever. The team that wins the first game has very little to gain from a second game and may have a hard time getting back up for the next game.
It also has the possibility of a blowout happening in the first game and no one giving a shit about the 2nd.
The other downside is the 2006 scenario. Had they played again the next week and Michigan won it likely would have been Michigan in the title game against UF. Would have made tOSU's win the week before meaningless.
The real problem is conference title games suck. But if they moved that game up in the schedule to early October like the Texas/OU game it would allow for the proper amount of time to pass in order to build the hype for another game back up and wouldn't cheapen the first matchup the way possible back to back games will. At the very least the pundits could make the argument that it's later in the season and the teams playing in the late November game aren't the same teams that played in early October. Back to back games? Basically it will feel like a coin flip.. oops, sorry you lost the wrong game in the two game series.
Playing a cross-division game between any two teams the week before the CCG is simply idiotic. Doubly so if it is between two teams that theoretically should be in the game often.
desh said:
In the lowest rated BCS title game ever, I suppose it is possible.
Lonestar said:
Yeah, but in those cases there were other teams with the same record.
2006 Florida has the same record as Michigan so it was easy to move Florida up. In 2008 OU/Texas/Tech had the same record as Florida/Bama (lol Utah)
There could be a scenario where the 3rd place team has 2 losses and they each have one.
My guess is one of them would be bumped out of it because no one wants to watch a damn rubber match.
bucknuticus
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Schmitty said:
Oh god could you see that game this year, first to get 3 points win. :lol
NEOPARADIGM
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StoOgE said:
You and I are on precisely the same page, sir. Great post.
Battlezone
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I predict that the first time that either Ohio State or Michigan wind up on the wrong end of that split, the same fans that have been whining about "tradition" will be the first ones to step up and complain about how unfair it is that they had to play back-to-back.StoOgE said:
I was in favor of OSU/Michigan being in separate divisions. Simply put, Ohio State and Michigan are the marquee brands in the conference. If we're agreeing that this expansion was all about money and TV sets in the first place, it makes no sense to not put your most valuable assets in position to gain you the most eyeballs, and make you the most money.
Having OSU/Michigan in the same division doesn't do that. The 2006 game wouldn't have been hyped as "The Game of the Century" if it was the conference's penultimate game. And if it rarely happens-even better. You don't think the first time OSU/Michigan meet in the championship won't be hyped to high heaven? Hell, can you imagine if it somehow happened next year? ESPN would be showing promos for it right now if they could.
That said, they should have moved the game up to October, tradition be damned. Having the potential of having two rivalry games back to back is a no-win scenario for either team. Nevermind double jeopardy; both teams will be too emotionally and physically exhausted from the first game to get up for the second game, and the CCG will inevitably be a letdown. At least if you have the game earlier in the season, you get the storyline of redemption and revenge for the losing team.
And I wouldn't worry about both teams knocking each other out. If we're talking about a Big Ten conference where OSU/PSU/UNL/UM are all in national championship form, ESPN will make sure the loser doesn't fall too far.
Bonus: We'll get to use all of the SEC talking points! I can't wait for 1-loss Big Ten Team to be ranked!
I started a Yahoo Pick em pool if anyone wants to join
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No spreads, no confidence points, 15-20 games of interest per week.
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ID: 23311
PW: praisetebow
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AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I joined. Blackshirts 
Battlezone
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mre said:
Edit: stupid iPad
ToxicAdam said:
Iceman / Pasadena Twi-Hards
I only picked 8 home teams to win.. I'm not sure I'm going to fare all too well.
mre said:
It's okay mre. You're in Florida now. We'll get that reading level up to 8th grade soon.
too harsh?
Isn't that a CBS/SEC pre-game image grab from last year?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Maybe now with a conference title game Big 10 teams will get more of a shot... 
mre said:Hey, if anyone has a bookie still taking bets on the UNC-LSU game, you might want to give them a call:
Lulz. Reminds me of when USC appealed BMWs eligibility after the whole Mo Clarett fiasco. The NCAA told Pete and the team right as they got on the plane for DC (we were playing Virginia Tech in DC). They always wait until the last minute to tell you you're fucked.
pizzapizza64
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My picks...and a big War Eagle to everyone!
Ohio St
Pittsburgh
USC
Missouri
Notre Dame
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
Northwestern
TCU
LSU
Iowa
BYU
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech wins by 10 points
I'm glad to see the thread in full swing. I'll definitely be checking in.
Ohio St
Pittsburgh
USC
Missouri
Notre Dame
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
Northwestern
TCU
LSU
Iowa
BYU
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech wins by 10 points
I'm glad to see the thread in full swing. I'll definitely be checking in.
ConfusingJazz
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mYm|17| said:
Bad move man.
NEOPARADIGM
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UConn 33
Michigan 44
And is it just me, or is UConn doing themselves a disservice by not embracing the same look as the basketball teams? It's like they're some random "Central" high school team with that boring C on their helmets.
If I were their AD I would embrace this logo,
then go with something like this:
Or whatever - you get the idea.
Michigan 44
And is it just me, or is UConn doing themselves a disservice by not embracing the same look as the basketball teams? It's like they're some random "Central" high school team with that boring C on their helmets.
If I were their AD I would embrace this logo,
then go with something like this:
Or whatever - you get the idea.
bucknuticus
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AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I cant sleep, 16 hours!!!!!!!!!!
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