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[VeryGooster]

I honestly don't even feel like I need to read the rest of the piece to agree with him (though I did). Goodell, the owners, the league, overextend their reach on discipline and rules while still focusing however they can to profit all the while still existing in a bubble that sees social issues as public relation headaches (DV/Kaepernick) rather than actual issues to address and they won't have it any other way. No accident those "No more" ads stopped.

The end result is an inconsistent and bad product. I've read people say "But I'll still watch" which is their decision just as I've made my decision to watch Giants games, the team that massively fucked up dealing with Josh Brown's past abuse, but even I'm reaching a point where enough is enough.

 

[Quotient]

Just my observation but it seems the NFL treats it's black players very differently than white - case in point Ray Rice receives an initial 2 game ban for punching his wife, yet Josh Brown receives a 1 game ban for systematic abuse of his wife and children.

 

[elrechazado]

Just my observation but it seems the NFL treats it's black players very differently than white - case in point Ray Rice receives an initial 2 game ban for punching his wife, yet Josh Brown receives a 1 game ban for systematic abuse of his wife and children.

Ray Rice was suspended after a criminal conviction stemming from the incident. Josh brown has never been charged with a crime. You can't compare two different situations, compare races, then extrapolate.

None of that's to say the nfl hasn't severely botched a thorough list of important issues, including race and domestic violence in the past, present, and futyre.

Sherman is right on in this article.

EDIT:. Never been convicted - my error there.

 

[LionPride]

Just my observation but it seems the NFL treats it's black players very differently than white - case in point Ray Rice receives an initial 2 game ban for punching his wife, yet Josh Brown receives a 1 game ban for systematic abuse of his wife and children.

You can say that statement, not using Ray Rice though. There was video evidence that the NFL had of Rice giving his wife a hard ass punch. And they lied, and then gave him 2 games.

You can say NFL treats black players differently when they are Quarterbacks, but that's a different topic

 

[sangreal]

Ray Rice was suspended after a criminal conviction stemming from the incident. Josh brown has never been charged with a crime. You can't compare two different situations, compare races, then extrapolate.

None of that's to say the nfl hasn't severely botched a thorough list of important issues, including race and domestic violence in the past, present, and futyre.

Sherman is right on in this article.

EDIT:. Never been convicted - my error there.

Ray Rice wasn't convicted but that is neither here nor there. His suspension was only 2 games for facing those charges. So at this point we are at about the same level as Josh Brown, fine. Then the video came out and they changed their policy, suspended him indefinitely and ultimately blacklisted him from ever playing again. After all that, Josh Brown gets caught and only manages a 1 game suspension. In the meantime, Dwyer was arrested for domestic violence and has never played football since. The charges against him were also dropped other than disorderly conduct

 

[Purple Cheeto]

My interest in the NFL keeps going down week after week. As Sherman said -- there's such inconsistency in a game that's already greatly slowed down thanks to countless ads.

To add something else to Sherman's good, long list: TV ads pushing Thursday Night Football being streamed on Twitter but yet NFL teams can't post video footage of players on social media during their games. So stupid. NBA and even MLB looks 1-2 decades ahead of the NFL right now.

MLB banned people from posting gifs of game footage, which is literally one of the dumbest things a sport whose average viewer age is 50+ can do. It's weird how technologically backwards MLB is at times when they were the first company to embrace streaming.

Anywho I bet Dick Sherman gets fined for telling the truth because Goodell is evil like that.

 

[rjc571]

NFL does whatever the fuck it wants. Look at Tom Brady with deflategate. Let's say you don't even like him or thought he was guilty. He got a 4 game suspension. Other players are on tape beating their wives and got less suspension. Aaron Rogers admits he overinflated the ball and hopes refs wouldn't notice. No one bats an eye. Fuck Roger Goodell. Worst fucking commissioner ever. Sherman is on point.

Not to mention the Panthers and Vikings were caught illegally tampering with footballs ON CAMERA during a game and were not punished for it. The more evidence there is that you did something wrong, the less likely the NFL is to punish you for it.

 

[Calion]

Let's halt this Richard Sherman love train for a sec. For a man so sharp and intelligent, he says some dumb shit like doubling down on "All Lives Matter".

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/richard-sherman-nfl-players-should-be-more-active-on-issues-of-race-violence

 

[Ronin Ray]

You can say that statement, not using Ray Rice though. There was video evidence that the NFL had of Rice giving his wife a hard ass punch. And they lied, and then gave him 2 games.

You can say NFL treats black players differently when they are Quarterbacks, but that's a different topic

I agree with this 100%

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Just my observation but it seems the NFL treats it's black players very differently than white - case in point Ray Rice receives an initial 2 game ban for punching his wife, yet Josh Brown receives a 1 game ban for systematic abuse of his wife and children.

There is certainly an argument to be made here, but using Rice and Brown as examples seems a poor way to do it.

 

[cdyhybrid]

The only thing Goodell has done right is punish the Pats for cheating. He's been a spectacular failure everywhere else.

 

[LionPride]

Let's halt this Richard Sherman love train for a sec. For a man so sharp and intelligent, he says some dumb shit like doubling down on "All Lives Matter".

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/richard-sherman-nfl-players-should-be-more-active-on-issues-of-race-violence

THANK YOU!

I agree with this 100%

Like, Black QBs get treated so differently than everyone else. I wanna see em succeed so bad just to prove people wrong. We get pigeonholed into being running QBs who can't throw a lick when that ain't true. So much shit in regards to black QBs vs white QBs.

Fuck Cam tho, don't hire a GOP PR guy as your PR guy and proceed to say a bunch of dumb bullshit that is the opposite of what you said last year

 

[Hari Seldon]

He is right and all but I think the real reason for the NFL's decline is that watching a game is basically watching 90% commercials because advertisers have no where else to go lol.

 

[Kill3r7]

They're gonna need to strike if they want anything decent.

But the owners always call their bluff and they blink.

Unlike other sports, NFL players have an incredibly short shelf life. So going on strike for a long period of time is difficult. Also, the NFL does a great job promoting the sport and teams rather than players, unlike the NBA or MLB. This gives them more leverage.

That said, Sherman is right.

 

[sangreal]

Let's halt this Richard Sherman love train for a sec. For a man so sharp and intelligent, he says some dumb shit like doubling down on "All Lives Matter".

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/richard-sherman-nfl-players-should-be-more-active-on-issues-of-race-violence

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/richard-sherman-press-conference-police-seattle-seahawks-nfl

 

[elrechazado]

Let's halt this Richard Sherman love train for a sec. For a man so sharp and intelligent, he says some dumb shit like doubling down on "All Lives Matter".

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/richard-sherman-nfl-players-should-be-more-active-on-issues-of-race-violence

Reading his statement I wonder what you find objectionable about what he said? If we can't parse intent and meaning out of what people actually say and do, it's pretty sad. I find his statements and actions on this topic to be about as far from "dumb shit" as can be.

 

[Infinite]

Reading his statement I wonder what you find objectionable about what he said? If we can't parse intent and meaning out of what people actually say and do, it's pretty sad. I find his statements and actions on this topic to be about as far from "dumb shit" as can be.

The fact that he's doubling down on all lives matter and I should have to explain to you why that's shitty at this point. Also this quote bugs me big time

“I think we target the inner city and the black community and a lot of the places that have high gang violence and beg for them to stop the senseless violence within our own community. Because once we stop that, once we unite as a people, once we come together and stop looking at each other as enemies, then we can move forward in a very powerful way. And combat issues in a different way than it has ever been done before. But until we do that, we are fighting on two fronts.”

In other words "what about black on black crime?". Don't get me wrong, If sherm thinks NFL players should help out in communities ravaged by guns and gang violence that's a good thing and I support that. The problems with that sentiment though is A) We're talking about police violence and systemic racism when we say "Black Lives Matter" and B)There's plenty of community activists who are in the streets every day dealing with community violence. His statements here is essentially implying that black people dont care about the violence in their own communities and that we should deal with that first until we get the right to criticize violence from the police. It's like we concern ourselves with two different issues.

 

[phanphare]

Fuck Roger Goodell

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[Donos]

I don't watch NFL besides superbowl but you can't shot an imaginary arrow because it depicts a violent act? W T F

Other examples are also really strange...

 

[elrechazado]

The fact that he's doubling down on all lives matter and I should have to explain to you why that's shitty at this point. Also this quote bugs me big time



In other words "what about black on black crime?". Don't get me wrong, If sherm thinks NFL players should help out in communities ravaged by guns and gang violence that's a good thing and I support that. The problems with that sentiment though is A) We're talking about police violence and systemic racism when we say "Black Lives Matter" and B)There's plenty of community activists who are in the streets every day dealing with community violence. His statements here is essentially implying that black people dont care about the violence in their own communities and that we should deal with that first until we get the right to criticize violence from the police. It's like we concern ourselves with two different issues.

How you turned that response to a question into "what about black on black crime"as if he was along Trump supporters is quite unbelievable.

 

[Infinite]

How you turned that response to a question into "what about black on black crime"as if he was along Trump supporters is quite unbelievable.

This is off topic anyway but this is a rather flippant response from you. I never mentioned trump or his supporters

 

[elrechazado]

This is off topic anyway but this is a rather flippant response from you. I never mentioned trump or his supporters

Clearly I was referencing a typical user of the "what about black on black crime" argument. I find it flippant that you are taking an articulate answer by a black athlete with a history of intelligent activism and refusing to do any analysis beyond" he used the words all lives matter" and talked about engaging in this community and turned him into an equivalent of racists, when it's demonstrably untrue.

 

[LionPride]

Clearly I was referencing a typical user of the "what about black on black crime" argument. I find it flippant that you are taking an articulate answer by a black athlete with a history of intelligent activism and refusing to do any analysis beyond" he used the words all lives matter" and talked about engaging in this community and turned him into an equivalent of racists, when it's demonstrably untrue.

Even though they didn't do any of that?

 

[elrechazado]

Even though they didn't do any of that?

-richard Sherman quote-
Response:
"In other words, 'what about black on black crime'"?

What else was being implied here other than that sherman is making a racist dog whistle argument?

 

[Infinite]

Clearly I was referencing a typical user of the "what about black on black crime" argument. I find it flippant that you are taking an articulate answer by a black athlete with a history of intelligent activism and refusing to do any analysis beyond" he used the words all lives matter" and talked about engaging in this community and turned him into an equivalent of racists, when it's demonstrably untrue.

A typical user of the "what about black on black crime" argument isn't restricted to trump supporter. This book Racism without Racist dives into how such rhetoric is ubiquitous in our society. I'm answering a question that you asked. That my problem with Sherm's response. He's saying "we need to do stuff about black on black crime" when he's being asked about police brutality which is what entire context of BLM vs ALM is based on. He's saying "I don't want police knocked off the streets" is ignoring the fact that this isn't about individual officers but an institutions that enables and protects shitty officers. Overall I dont feel like he gets it and his statements do not sit well with me. I'm not taking away from him being a educated person who has apparently done some activism so I'm not sure why you need to bring that up and remind me as if I forgot, as if that invalidates my criticism of his words that I read.

 

[LionPride]

-richard Sherman quote-
Response:
"In other words, 'what about black on black crime'"?

What else was being implied here other than that sherman is making a racist dog whistle argument?

So you do realize not everyonw who makes that argument does it as a dog whistle right? Like please tell me you do. Sherman is a smart man, smart people can still be ignorant or in Sherman's case, seen people killed because of black on black violence and kinda doesn't care about us being killed by police as much. Do I disagree with him? Yeah. Do I think he does it as a dogwhistle? Hell no.

So, I don't think the argument is that he's using it as a dogwhistle, it's just that this smart man doubled down on All Lives Matter when given the chance to change and doesn't. He insteads deflects to a seperate issue and that is a problem

 

[OnPoint]

NFL does whatever the fuck it wants. Look at Tom Brady with deflategate. Let's say you don't even like him or thought he was guilty. He got a 4 game suspension. Other players are on tape beating their wives and got less suspension. Aaron Rogers admits he overinflated the ball and hopes refs wouldn't notice. No one bats an eye. Fuck Roger Goodell. Worst fucking commissioner ever. Sherman is on point.

Was supposed to be a secret, man.

 

[Dishwalla]

I don't watch NFL besides superbowl but you can't shot an imaginary arrow because it depicts a violent act? W T F

Other examples are also really strange...

This got flagged during Sunday's game, the referee interpreted it as a throat slash.

 

[Infinite]

This got flagged during Sunday's game, the referee interpreted it as a throat slash.

lmfao the NFL is a huge joke right now. Holy shit

 

[Dosia]

This got flagged during Sunday's game, the referee interpreted it as a throat slash.

Actually that gif ends before the actual action in question takes place. Still, it is stupid.

 

[phanphare]

Actually that gif ends before the actual action in question takes place. Still, it is stupid.

you can see the flag thrown tho

 

[Dishwalla]

Actually that gif ends before the actual action in question takes place. Still, it is stupid.

They said he was flagged for the second gesture but you can see the shadow of a flag being thrown before he makes the second gesture.

 

[gatti-man]

The NFL is a giant piece of shit. No wonder ratings are pitiful.

Rating are poor because of the kneeling thing and the product is bad this year. Really bad. Some prime time games have been unwatchable. Mix two things like that together plus an election cycle and it's bad ratings.