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Confirmed? Motor Storm E3 footage was realtime!

The funny thing is the arguments have been had about Motorstorm and here they start again. If MS wasn't rendered it would have been stated to they same degee that MGS4 was in real time. Also although MGS4 was impressive graphically its nowhere near the MS video. Finally EDGE uncovered this "As for Motor Storm Sony claimed it was made using assests created by the developer Evolution studios. Edge however beleives the sequence was made entirely by CG specialist Realtime UK. "Neither the Sony or the Studio were prepared to reveal details. This issue arrises bacause, based on previous working methods, it seems lilely RealtimeUK would authored all assests in house. If this was the case it would make the description of the footage as game demo as an extreme exercise in being economical with the truth. Again don't expect this quality from launch games."
It's rendered simple as that.
 
Yeah, the Edge reporting was rather convincing alright. If they're highlighting a specific company, they must be fairly sure of it.
 
the graphics LOOK like prerendered CGI, at least some of the shots. and the ones that do look like CGI also have generous amounts of anti-aliasing as well.


real-time my fucking ass.

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What puzzles me is this. Why would the narrator from the AGC video say that "AI and Game Logic were turned off for the video"? If it was fully CG, why would AI and Game Logic have anything to do with the video itself if it was all CG?
 
LOL

My god. If the PS3 can produce visuals like that in real-time, I will throw my Xbox 360 out of the damn window. A 6800 SLI setup running that is beyond laughable.
 
Mefisutoferesu said:
For those who have the trailer watch the part from 43-45 seconds. I'd bet 100$ that's a 100% accurate! I can't really speak for the rest, though, the cinematography makes it hard to tell whether it's fake or real, but that part definately seems real!
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This part?
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Yeah, I agree. I think the cinematic camera work makes it look better than it should. ;)
I think Evolution will achieve this, they made one of the most impressive graphics engines on the PS2.
 
Forsete said:
This part?
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Yeah, I agree. I think the cinematic camera work makes it look better than it should. ;)
I think Evolution will achieve this, they made one of the most impressive graphics engines on the PS2.
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Nice gif Forsete! That the exact part. I wonder how the first person cam looks in the same scenario.

Even in that viewpoint, look how the motorcycle kicks up the dirt, look how the buggy kicks up the mud and creates its own tracks. The cinematic portions are crazy but I personally think this is the same scenario that Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo and PGR3 are in. The replays or cutscenes are much much more DYNAMIC.

You also mix in the fact that the cinemtic scenes are completley scripted. So all that excitment and whatnot was dramatised in that it was made to be hectic like that.
 
Ok guys lets say that the PS3 can do these graphics (laughable I know) but how long do you think the development stages will be on a game like this? I mean look your really getting down to deal work on every single frame of the game now. Before developers could hide problem areas. I don't think that will be possible on these new machines. How long do you give developers to create something like this, 4, 5 years? I can't see developers making money on this system if that's the case. If it is the case, I can see why their has been a mass xidos to the Xbox 360. Will Sony take a few titles are better approach or will they try to sale more movies to fill the holes where they lack games? Lots of fun questions are raised at the thought of these graphics becoming realtime. If they are realtime WOW and very impressive but, I'm like everybody else I WANT PROOF not screenshots.
 
WULFER said:
I mean look your really getting down to deal work on every single frame of the game now.
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You don't have to. That's the great thing with physic simulations, you don't have to animate frame by frame, you "just" have to write a great physics engine. The only question is, is Cell really good enough to calculate all those physics or not.

Fredi
 
Forsete said:
This part?
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Yeah, I agree. I think the cinematic camera work makes it look better than it should. ;)
I think Evolution will achieve this, they made one of the most impressive graphics engines on the PS2.
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If a PS3 launch game is something like this, i'd sell my mother for 5 minutes of gameplay :lol
 
McFly said:
You don't have to. That's the great thing with physic simulations, you don't have to animate frame by frame, you "just" have to write a great physics engine. The only question is, is Cell really good enough to calculate all those physics or not.

Fredi
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Exactly, were getting into that "unpradictable" physics realm. Meaning, ever race in Motorstorm (if its really turns out like its been shown) will be different. When I say different I mean the way globs of mud is thown up, how particles react etc etc. So effects aren't cooked in, they just happen and it all depends on what you do.

I think both the XeCPU with Xenos and Cell (by itself) will be able to do these things.
 
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i talked to the developers a while back when testing wrc rally evolved, good bunch of guys at evolution. i have complete faith in kenwright and his troops, the people who are dismissing it are fans of another console outside of the playstation family? if so, then it's completely unstandable looking at the quality shown on that system thus far. who can blame them for trying to shoot down something that completely destroys everything on their prefered system, visually?

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in Evolution Studios we trust
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WULFER said:
Ok guys lets say that the PS3 can do these graphics (laughable I know) but how long do you think the development stages will be on a game like this? I mean look your really getting down to deal work on every single frame of the game now. Before developers could hide problem areas. I don't think that will be possible on these new machines. How long do you give developers to create something like this, 4, 5 years? I can't see developers making money on this system if that's the case. If it is the case, I can see why their has been a mass xidos to the Xbox 360. Will Sony take a few titles are better approach or will they try to sale more movies to fill the holes where they lack games? Lots of fun questions are raised at the thought of these graphics becoming realtime. If they are realtime WOW and very impressive but, I'm like everybody else I WANT PROOF not screenshots.
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If they are building an engine they can improve on it overtime ( ALA PGR3). From what I've heard the original Motorstorm engine was quite good, adding a few extra smoke particles shouldn't be a problem, although the extra physics side of things will require extra work.
 
PhatSaqs said:
I wouldnt be surprised if games built from the ground up look like this on either system.
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PGR3 is "built from the ground up" for Xbox 360 and doesn't even come close.
 
this is only good for everyone that loves games, hope ps3 can do this rather then be glad it cant because you love your xbox360.

personally i would have loved this 360 to have done this so i could rush out and buy one.

It would be better if ppl's loyalty lay with who'ever produces the best games! not because some cracka created a brand and minipulated us to stand by it.
 
cybamerc said:
PGR3 is "built from the ground up" for Xbox 360 and doesn't even come close.
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Your hate still isn't substantiated, and PGR3 is the most technically impressive racing game ever released.
 
CONFIRMED: First Real-Time Motorstorm Pic.










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Anyways, I've already decided if Sony shows a real-time trailer or playable demo of MotorStorm at CES, and it closely matches the E3 trailer, I'm buying a PS3 at launch.
 
I love how the mud seems so....malleable and how it conforms to how your driving. It just looks so cool. Also, look how the motorcycle kicks up dust but right when it hits the mud the dust cuts out.

typo said:
CONFIRMED: First Real-Time Motorstorm Pic.




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Anyways, I've already decided if Sony shows a real-time trailer or playable demo of MotorStorm at CES, and it closely matches the E3 trailer, I'm buying a PS3 at launch.
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:lol

The wait begins. Only a month or two to go
 
cybamerc said:
PGR3 is "built from the ground up" for Xbox 360 and doesn't even come close.
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Arguable, given that it was really devved over multiple iterations of dev kit. Although the same would be true of Motorstorm and any other early PS3 games (even if PS3 hardware has been more consistent, sooner, with what will be in the final box).
 
Speevy said:
Let's get some playable PS3 games. Did we have in-game gameplay footage of the PS2 this far from launch?
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You will probably get them at E3, CES 06' or some other specialy planned Sony Event.
 
Do I believe that demo was real time? Nope.

Do I believe that demo will be possible for PS3's launch? Probably not.

Do I think that demo will be possible at some point in PS3's life? Yep.

Do I think that demo will be possible at some point in 360's life? Probably not...but it wouldn't surprise me.

Second generation software is where a system is really born. What 360 is producing right now is like, pre-first gen, alpha-level stuff. When a developer only has two months to work with the final dev kits, you're not gonna see much of anything that the system can do. The current stuff doesn't show shit regarding 360's true potential. I think E3 is the first place where some of that potential will be realized.

I'd like to know what the state is for PS3's development kits at the moment, because it's been pretty quiet on that front so far compared to the information that was available regarding 360's kits. And with still no hint on when PS3 will launch in Japan, it's looking more and more like a fall launch in the US, with a summer release in the far east. But that'll give western developers a hell of a lot longer to work on their wares, which will make PS3's initial impact over here that much more pronounced.

I find 360's current situation understandable because the tech is so cutting edge, and the one or two month delay on the final kits didn't help their cause. Better to have tech that's as close to bleeding edge as possible then something that was made a year and a half ago that's easier to supplant (witness the Saturn).
 
Shinobi said:
I'd like to know what the state is for PS3's development kits at the moment, because it's been pretty quiet on that front so far compared to the information that was available regarding 360's kits.
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At the July PSM they said they were planning to have final kits out this month. That was reconfirmed a couple of weeks back by a SCEI guy at some presentation.

In terms of numbers, 450 were out there in July. They were planning to ship 200 in August, 300 in September, before ramping up production to 3,000 a month in October.
 
Peter Moore promises crow will be restocked on a weekly basis, so im not even gonna bother pre-ordering.
 
This reminds me of this commercial that plays on the radio...Its a cell phone company that sells Um...limited number of minutes.

This is um...rendered. In any case, I fully expect the bullshit to fly from here to launch. Perhaps at E3 we'll see something um...real.
 
Aika'svyse said:
Nice but I could care less about PS3 currently
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Ah, bias shining through. I find it difficult to understand how someone could be a fan of videogames, yet be completely uninterested in a new system. Very strange...
 
dark10x said:
Ah, bias shining through. I find it difficult to understand how someone could be a fan of videogames, yet be completely uninterested in a new system. Very strange...
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Maybe he's a fan with a limited gaming budget like me. I know I kind of force myself to forget xbox360 is out. I'm happy with the current PS2 line-up and most of all I can't afford the new xbox. :]
 
I'll laugh my ass off at the haters if Motorstorm comes out looking like this. I'll also buy a PS3 on Day One.

"You will say 'wow.'"
 
dark10x said:
Ah, bias shining through. I find it difficult to understand how someone could be a fan of videogames, yet be completely uninterested in a new system. Very strange...
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Get it straight I said at this point, meaning as of right now I have no interest of the console. As it gets closer to launch interest should grow, right now it 's too far away for me to really care. It's hard to get hyped for a console that hasn't showed games.
 
CurlySaysX said:
those gifs are insane!!!
is there a high definition video of that trailer on the internets?
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Only low quality stuff unfortunatley. I seem to remember a good quality vid of a bunch of different E3 vids, i'm not sure if Motorstorm was part of that montage. If I do find something, i'll post it here.
 
HooDoo said:
Maybe he's a fan with a limited gaming budget like me. I know I kind of force myself to forget xbox360 is out. I'm happy with the current PS2 line-up and most of all I can't afford the new xbox. :]
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Well I don't have the most extreme budget right now, but it's just too early to get hyped for PS3 and Rev.
 
BlueTsunami said:
Only low quality stuff unfortunatley. I seem to remember a good quality vid of a bunch of different E3 vids, i'm not sure if Motorstorm was part of that montage. If I do find something, i'll post it here.
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I think you mean the gametrailers.com montage, and it is in there (that vid can be found at the end of this page: http://www.gametrailers.com/tgs_2k5.php). The quality of the "HD" vid is indeed sweet.

IGN's direct feed vid is disappointing, a really terrible capture. I'm gonna try Kikizo's offscreen version.
 
Anyone remember the Smugglers Run games? I got both. :D

Smugglers Run 1
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Smugglers Run 2
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Pretty nice jump between those two games.

An even nicer jump between these and Motorstorm. :D
 
When I see videos the quality of this it makes me wish the phrase "Diminishing Returns" was banned here. Seriously, fuck low expectations. If we're comparing graphical jumps between generations this is what we should expect.
 
You know, it used to be that people used realtime and gameplay as synonymous terms, but now the waters are a little bit muddier. What is meant by realtime here? Simply that the scene was being rendered by hardware that somewhat mirrors what the final PS3 will be able to churn out?

Here is a dead give away for me:

The E3 trailer footage was realtime running on the PS3 Alpha kits with the 6800 SLI and a slower cell processor. I do have one caveot the AI was turned off to showcase the visuals. Keep in mind the graphics were achieved with a watered down version of the final PS3.
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So how were the cars moving? I thought this was all being rendered realtime on the PS3? If so, the cars shouldn't react at all to one another.

It's obvious that what we are seeing in the Moto Storm footage is not gameplay. It's canned footage, scripted and manipulated by animators and artists to achieve the most cinematic feel. No physics, no on the fly particles, and no artifical intelligence means that it isn't gameplay. Is it realtime? Probably under the loosest form of the defintion.

Will it be able to reach such a lofty goal? God, I hope so. I am skeptical? Um, yeah. This feels all too familiar to every other console launch in this ultrahype era. Is my post filled with this weird question and answer thingy? Hell yes.
 
Exactly, Oni. Motor Storm and Killzone in E3 form is exactly what I expected from the next generation. XBOX 360 at this time falls far below those expectations; frankly, I'm surprised by how easily gamers have accepted the 'diminishing returns' explanation. There is clearly much more that can be achieved graphically.
 
urk said:
It's obvious that what we are seeing in the Moto Storm footage is not gameplay. It's canned footage, scripted and manipulated by animators and artists to achieve the most cinematic feel. No physics, no on the fly particles, and no artifical intelligence means that it isn't gameplay. Is it realtime? Probably under the loosest form of the defintion.

Will it be able to reach such a lofty goal? God, I hope so. I am skeptical? Um, yeah. This feels all too familiar to every other console launch in this ultrahype era. Is my post filled with this weird question and answer thingy? Hell yes.
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Your correct with "What exactly IS realtime". The thing is, how can one turn off AI in a CG video? CG itself is complete animation without the need for AI since artists render the cars and basically deteremine what exactly happens.

What I think these videos are, is the PS3s originally rendered the models and your basically getting what the PS3 can do (visually) but the video itself would only be taxing the GPU. Once Cell is implimented, you get AI, Physics and Game Logic.

Personally, I think we've run into another Killzone scenario.
 
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