We don't know yet. His friends said they saw him unconcious so either he was dead or just out. Either way they hopefully they were gone before feeling any pain.
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Confirmed: Paul Walker dead at age 40
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We don't know yet. His friends said they saw him unconcious so either he was dead or just out. Either way they hopefully they were gone before feeling any pain.
Source says his friend was driving m8.
NaughtyCalibur
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That pissed me off so much. Fuck TMZ.
I shall call bullshit. Ive been in wrecks at that posted speed limit both on and off the track. Never had a car look like that. Read what I posted a few pages back then read:
http://m.insideedition.com/?redirur...ould-have-contributed-to-death-of-paul-walker
Dude investigated over 25k car wrecks. I can put my bike into a pole at 45mph and it would not be as mangled and I'd still walk away from it. I'm not trying to condemn them if they hit huge speed - I'm advocating for the truth.
Tell me, in all honesty, can YOU actually say that you believe the car pictured in the wreck was doing the speed limit? Honestly? Forget about any experience or knowledge of any car crash ever. Can you tell me a hunk of steel, glass and rubber will wind up looking like that at 45mph?
I'm sticking to my guns. They were going strong in that car.
RZA pls you're breaking my heart
http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...o-paul-walker-fast-7-delayed-but-not-scrapped
http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...o-paul-walker-fast-7-delayed-but-not-scrapped
Stick to them all you want. I'll listen to the police reports until they begin to say otherwise.
There is absolutely no way they were not speeding. Look at the pictures.
Freak accidents can happen. Is there a huge chance they were speeding? Yes but If it's being said they weren't then I'll believe that until we're told otherwise.
Autopsy is supposed to be released soon anyway so we'll see what they passed from.
Winterfang
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This. This is a tragedy but it could had being avoided. Sad that two lives where lost.
Hahaha bullshit. That or Porsche have a lawsuit on their hands. There's no way a car should look like that after a 45mph crash.
NaughtyCalibur
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My thoughts exactly. Maybe there was a "freak accident," like the cases a few years back regarding cars suddenly accelerating without warning. Had a car like the one Paul was in suddenly decided to do that, I can imagine that being an almost instant death trap considering it could probably go 0-60 in a few seconds.
Either that or the driver chose to speed, for whatever reason, and this was the result of that.
But for a car to become an unrecognizable fireball at speeds under 50MPH? I don't think so. Porche is fucked if so.
the_log_ride
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Cosigned with the posters above me. I would be terrified if a car looked like that after a 45 mph crash. Really interested to see what future reports will find. Any chance the CGT was modified, or was it bone stock? Feel terrible for the driver's son who saw his dad pass away like that.
Freak accidents can't defy the laws of physics, though. 1/2 mv^2 and all that.
Jest Chillin
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I'm more inclined to believe the information relayed by officers close to the case rather than the musings of forum goers, regardless of how much experience they may or may not have.
Why?
Simply because the Police are actually investigating the scene. This would include inspecting physical evidence, opinions of professionals who see accidents literally every day, eye witness testimony, and video evidence. Those of us here on the forums are literally judging from only the pictures of the wreck and a low quality security cam that looks to be 200ft+ away and obscured by trees and foliage. There's already been accounts of malfunction and that would require examination of physical evidence to determine.
Was it most likely speeding? From a cursory glance, sure. But that's why the police actually investigate these things because a cursory glance can very often be wrong.
Waiting for an official statement/report would be best.
Why?
Simply because the Police are actually investigating the scene. This would include inspecting physical evidence, opinions of professionals who see accidents literally every day, eye witness testimony, and video evidence. Those of us here on the forums are literally judging from only the pictures of the wreck and a low quality security cam that looks to be 200ft+ away and obscured by trees and foliage. There's already been accounts of malfunction and that would require examination of physical evidence to determine.
Was it most likely speeding? From a cursory glance, sure. But that's why the police actually investigate these things because a cursory glance can very often be wrong.
Waiting for an official statement/report would be best.
STILLethal
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That RZA song....
That wedding ring story...
Feels everywhere, always makes me sad when I see his pics now for some reason.
That wedding ring story...
Feels everywhere, always makes me sad when I see his pics now for some reason.
As someone else said, its a little insulting to suggest he was going 45mph. I get saving face, and not wanting this to be about something else, but people need to be reminded about keeping your shit on the track. Instead of awareness, its misinformation.
Hmm, nice story but I don't think I'm okay with her revealing this just because he died. His request doesn't end upon death.
Vigilant Walrus
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I'm sad to see the jokes on my facebook about his death. Counting ten so far. Plus a few dubious guys who think its wack to make a deal out of him being dead when "Millions of other people die all the time".
ugh.
ugh.
Ignore the link I posted including a man specializing in over 25k... That's 25,000 car accident investigations and believe the word of a police department that maybe investigates crashes this bad once in a blue moon.
OK
lazybones18
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http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/w...for-ill-timed-paul-walker-clue-210123471.html
People were actually upset at this?
People were actually upset at this?
Jest Chillin
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So he investigated the scene? Because the point of my post was that an official police reports findings would be a conclusion based on multiple facts discovered through investigation rather than simply looking at pictures.
Edit: And it looks like Christopher Dawson is a member of the SMPD as a Traffic Investigator, which makes him likely equally as knowledgeable as whatever Investigator is actually working on the case but without access to the full evidence of the case.
People like to get outraged over anything. That's ridiculous.
DarkJediKnight
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Unfortunately, they burned to death after being unconscious, and stuck in the mangled wreck.
They were clearly speeding on cold tires. You've got an empty stretch of road, with no one around. It's the perfect recipe for a race car driver to push the car.
Perfect Storm probably.
As others have stated, it's rather insulting. I stand by my statements. You dont need to be at the scene to look at the mangled result to deduce that speed was a factor. 45mph. Look at the car. 45mph. Shit doesn't jive.
With that - I'm out. May both of them RIP.
its weird that its not only you saying it... but you're the focus.
The police report is inaccurate or incomplete imo... but I don't have to wait for anyone to tell me the sky is blue.
This should be a lesson about not driving vehicles at their performance peaks, in non-track situations.
It's crazy when you look at his filmography how many movies that played a big part of my formative years are in it. While I probably wouldn't call any of them great movies (aside from maybe Pleasantville and Running Scared), they are damn entertaining and re-watchable and Walker was a big part of that.
Pleasantville, Varsity Blues (remember vividly seeing this in theatres in high school), The Skulls (ditto), The 5 F&F movies he did (again, ditto)m, Joy Ride, Running Scared.
Pleasantville, Varsity Blues (remember vividly seeing this in theatres in high school), The Skulls (ditto), The 5 F&F movies he did (again, ditto)m, Joy Ride, Running Scared.
The tweet by Timmy Heater....I laughed.
It was an unfortunate mistake. Gotta laugh it off (or ignore it completely) and move on.
I think it may be a little difficult to assess the damage given the amount of carbon fiber in the GT. It breaks apart and then the resin burns away in the fire, so large portions of the car are just gone. It clearly hit sideways and wrapped around that tree, which is actually pretty small in diameter. I don't know how brittle the car is in that direction or what the fact the tree survived means but I don't know if simply looking at the photos tells us everything we need.
Jest Chillin
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If you follow the quote chain, you'll see that I didn't single out anyone but responded when I was responded to. I thought it was suggested Gaf ettiquette to respond to a point rather than quote stacking or individually replying to the same idea from different posters.
I agree that the police report is incomplete. The link that suggests the speed of 45mph is from a source at the department giving preliminary suspicions so that can easily be changed by the time the full report is released.
Freak accidents do happen though and this isn't a standard vehicle made out of steel. The body is primarily Carbon Fiber, which to my knowledge is known to generally strong in one direction while weak in others since it's a weaved material.
I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough to say one way or the other how the car came to the condition that it was in (aside from the fire) but that's why I think it's best to wait for the report rather than talk about what "obviously" must have happened. It's not built like a typical street legal vehicle though. That could make it more or less safe in that type of accident.
Ninja Scooter
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not to sound too morbid, but I just realized F&F6 is going to hit BluRay/DVD/Digital next week. It will probably do massive business.
It would feel really weird to rewatch that movie any time in the near future.
For the people talking about speeding
When Lady diana died, the car wreckage was so bad that people said they were driving at close to 120-140 mph in the Alma tunnel
Turns out they were driving at 50 mph (still almost twice the speed limit, but nothing close to what was first reported by "experts".
When you hit a metallic pole (or worse, a wooden one), especially with a light racing car, it's going to be destroyed, no way to avoid it.
When Lady diana died, the car wreckage was so bad that people said they were driving at close to 120-140 mph in the Alma tunnel
Turns out they were driving at 50 mph (still almost twice the speed limit, but nothing close to what was first reported by "experts".
When you hit a metallic pole (or worse, a wooden one), especially with a light racing car, it's going to be destroyed, no way to avoid it.
Singularity42
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It should be noted that anything being reported right now are only the police"s preliminary reports. The full investigation is obviously still on going. It will be a few weeks before the full accident recreation process is complete. Evidence is being gathered and the police are having to put this all together piece by piece. It works very similar to how the NTSB does investigations into airline accidents. They give a preliminary report based on what they currently know and then release their final findings. I'm probably stating the obvious but thought it'd be a good reminder for people.
This whole thing brings back some horrible memories for me personally. I lost 3 close friends in high school to a somewhat similar accident. My best friend was driving too fast lost control of his 87 Camaro and hit a telephone pole. He was the designated driver for us that night and hadn't drank or taken anything. When the car hit the pole it burst into flames. No one walked away and it took the coroner 10 days to identify the bodies. There was nothing left of any of them. I was suppose to be in the car that night but left the party early because I drank too much. That has weighed on me for years. To this day I always tell myself that all three were dead before the car started burning but I will never know the answer.
This story really shook me up when I initially read about it. Then see pictures and video of the car really hit closer to home than I would have liked.
This whole thing brings back some horrible memories for me personally. I lost 3 close friends in high school to a somewhat similar accident. My best friend was driving too fast lost control of his 87 Camaro and hit a telephone pole. He was the designated driver for us that night and hadn't drank or taken anything. When the car hit the pole it burst into flames. No one walked away and it took the coroner 10 days to identify the bodies. There was nothing left of any of them. I was suppose to be in the car that night but left the party early because I drank too much. That has weighed on me for years. To this day I always tell myself that all three were dead before the car started burning but I will never know the answer.
This story really shook me up when I initially read about it. Then see pictures and video of the car really hit closer to home than I would have liked.
HeisenbergLannister
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Hey guys what's up I believe everything I read on the internet.
I agree, anyone play Batman: Arkham Origins? Where is Batman to decrypt this crime scene?
Infinity
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I read this article today about the extraordinary work that Paul did for the city of Tuscaloosa after the April 2011 tornado event.
http://blog.al.com/tuscaloosa/2013/12/paul_walker_and_the_charity_he.html
http://blog.al.com/tuscaloosa/2013/12/paul_walker_and_the_charity_he.html
http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/12/03/fast-furious-dvd-sales-benefit-charity/
Very nice of the studio to do that.
Jest Chillin
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More than that, it hit a lightpole first.
Yea, what, 6%
It didn't hit the tree first.
Yeah his movies were definitely a big part of my childhood and High school days.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Both are charming inviduals, with surfer dude attitudes and auras. It's a real damn shame that Paul has passed away. Thankfully for his legacy all these great stories about how caring he was are coming to the surface.
Those people complaining about Jeopardy needed to check themselves instead of flying off the handle foolishly.
johnny_park
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6% is better than nothing.
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