Selling it as a home console justifies high price for games.
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Selling it as a home console justifies high price for games.
TLZ
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I'm talking about the console, docked, not the handheld.
11 watts or 100 watts, it's still only a bit better than an 11 yr old console.
In case anyone's wondering, I'm on about that bar chart comparing 360, Xbox one and x1.
Psycho_Mantis
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Nothing new here. Even more hilarious when you see that the number 1 reason for people buying SW seems to be for Zelda: a great software title that does not need accessories like joycons. I get it: they really want the casual crowd back, but I think its time for them to face reality and move on.
1.5 ?
This assumes that there would have been some better SoC that they didn't use because of the price. And there doesn't seem to really be the case for Nintendo's intended use.
I really hope you're right. I always felt that the Switch was a bit too expensive for what it is, and this revelation only further solidifies my feelings. I'd definitely get one if it were $100 (or maybe even $50) cheaper.
Playing two hours in your bed doesn't make it an handheld. It's so fragile you cannot even slide it in its dock without scratches or losses of paint, there's no way you gonna use it in subway unless money grows on your walls. As a home console, it's just weak at core and a waste of tech in peripherical devices.
Minsc
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Don't forget to compare the other side, as it's way more pathetic what happens when you remove your Xbox from the shelf while it's running and walk out of the house with it. People who think it's a console same as the PS4/Xbox One because Nintendo says it is are being a bit too gullible / cherry picking their side. It's very clearly a portable device by definition (and that's not up for debate), that is an entire generation above the Vita, and multiple generations above the previous Nintendo portable. I also think people are conveniently not seeing exactly how many effects BotW is pushing either, there is a really large number of interactive things going on at any moment, and it sets a new standard in portable games without contest.
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That was from almost a month ago, pay attention to the edit. Funny how Eurogamer's info wasn't correct in the final clocks. I was speculating based on a legit leak, I'm not going to make some big deal out of this, because it isn't one.
As for the teardown, well the battery label does prove that it wasn't a full production unit, there was also no outer shell for the tear down so we really didn't have an idea about what it was.
Speculation is all I did, don't feel too upset about how I am reacting to the difference in power here, it's mostly unimportant which clocks were ultimately right, I just don't like posting fake facts like Wii U is 352gflops or Switch undocked runs 307mhz on the GPU, which thankfully we were able to wait for more "FINAL" clocks.
All right you nerdsp
How many GCN's is this duct-taped together?
This joke isn't as funny as it once was....
I read all of your posts, you were not fanatical in saying what COULD be. No need to defend yourself to others over speculating in speculation threads.
Graphics Horse
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I might be the only one glad that it's 20nm, I thought using fan cooled 16nm at this time is lunacy in context of building a future family of compatible products. This way a fanless model could be ready for next year when 3DS is phased out.
I can't speak about places outside of Japan, but here they have always marketed it as a console you can't take on the go.
If someone chooses to keep it bound to the tv and not use its headline feature, that's on them.
Yeah that is the big positive here, though they could have made a more compact design with the Switch on 16nm, though I still want one (my pre-order fell through)
Pure BS, I have played the damn thing at work , in a car, in the subway etc. It is easily the best and most powerful handheld true gaming device ever made. And it will also be fine as a home console especially if you also have a PC or one of the other consoles. If it truly is the 3DS follow-up there will be a massive amount of Nintendo 1st party games and it will have the 3DS developers making games for it. I can't get that experience on the other consoles.
What made the joke work was that the Wii and Wii U used evolved gamecube hardware so there was some merit to the comparison. With a tegra, the comparison is pointless.
I'm not sure when I said people shouldn't speculate. I'm only saying that this is definitely not what people have been talking about this whole time.
m.i.s.
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eh, it was never funny in the first place.
pThis trend of the company that charges you more for less is a more recent thing. Something about "Nintendo-like profits". Great for shareholders - not so good for customers.
Not jumping in until there's a cheaper, smaller revision with non-removable controls.
Oh, guess I misunderstood you then. You are absolutely correct, in terms of quantity there was support from 3rd parties. But I believe when people are asking for 3rd party support, they think of the next Call of Duty, Battlefield, Kingdom Hearts, Valkyria Chronicles, Nino Kuni 2. Nobody's really asking for games such as Hidden Expedition: Titanic, 4 Elements or 101 DinoPets 3D. And in that sense, the 3DS didn't really get much support. Sure, there was support from Level 5, and SE brought Dragon Quest and Capcom Monster Hunter over, but apart from that even Japanese 3rd party support wasn't particularly strong.
If you like to see all the shovelware as a pro, you are pretty much on your own as even Nintendo doesn't want that on Switch.
X1 has been in the cycle of expectations surrounding Switch since the original semiaccurate article mentioned Tegra. When Eurogamer confirmed the devkits were Tegra X1, every reasonable speculator used it as a base. Even I haven't left the Tegra X1 speculation, and Foxconn's clocks were completely possible with a X1 chip, speculation revolved around power consumption and cooling, and how it was possible to meet those clocks with those limitations, but reasonable speculators would shoot down extra shader cores after we got a grasp on chip size, clocks, power consumption.
For the last 3+ months, we've pretty much based all our speculation around the X1.
GhostTrick
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Now you're rewriting history. In Japan, 3DS had massive support from Capcom (Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney and even some AA games like EX Troopers or Gaist Crusher), Bamco (Dragonball, One Piece, Tales of the Abyss, Tekken, Project X Zone, Ace Combat) Square Enix (Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts) Atlus (SMTIV, Etrian Odyssey and a lot of other games) and of course Level 5.
Switch wishes it had 3DS's 3rd party support in Japan.
Yep, this has always been Nintendo's graceful exit of the home console business, while maintaining a presence there. Switch is exactly the device I need to complement my home computer, not another box that plays games, but a portable I can take with me when my computer isn't around.
ArchedThunder
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The system came out 2 weeks ago. People need to wait for E3 and TGS before freaking out over 3rd party support.
I'm not too happy about this, even discarding the whole 3SM/A72 arguments time ago, 16nm (and consequently higher clocks) and/or 128 bit bus where definitely possible with bigger investments and would have made the console more future proof than it feels now.
That said, I always expected more iterations down the line, so I'll just watch out for obvious improvements together with a better SO and more games. Hopefully now they have more time and money to come up with a proper customized chip, continuing to rebrand the Shield under Nintendo's name doesn't seem a good idea.
That said, I always expected more iterations down the line, so I'll just watch out for obvious improvements together with a better SO and more games. Hopefully now they have more time and money to come up with a proper customized chip, continuing to rebrand the Shield under Nintendo's name doesn't seem a good idea.
Gotdatmoney
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The 3DS has a lot of 3rd party support. You can't literally talk about games like CoD or BF which have zero chance of running on a 3DS. Valkyria is laughable as big 3rd party support and so is Nino Kuni (which the 3DS did get for reference). 3DS got kingdom hearts too.
The system had pretty good 3rd party support for a handheld.
Do you remember what the 3DS's first year of software support looked like?
I understand where the joke came from. I just think it's jumped the shark at this point.
And yet, immediately after that post came these:
This is only in the past 3 weeks. So tell me again how a stock X1 on 20 nm is exactly what you expected.
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While I guess the handheld mode seems fantastic the console aspect could have been better. They really should have made the dock supplementary for those who really want the Nintendo home console experience for their Switch. Especially since we're getting those ominous SCDs later down the road which could have been just slided into the dock.
Keep pushing the narrative that fits you as fact.
It is a handheld, I carried it in the bus without any issues, at friends as well and at my job to play Bomberman with collegues. So that you want it or not, no matter what you say, it is, as a pure fact, 100% stone cold handheld.
The travel case from Nintendo is quite lovely and I played it without any issues in the tram on the way to work. Now I can't wait to go home and gather the latest crop of money from my walls.
That's true to a small extent. My Wii U game pad reaches my bed in my small apartment.
TLZ
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I didn't really want to butt in, but seriously, who cares? I mean, what's the point of this all? Is someone winning/losing in the end? Like who cares? It's a tx1 and let's move on.
I mean, it's a game console you can easily play in your hands. Trying to argue it's not a handheld because of Nintendo's PR is as absurd as believing that The Cloud is a magical processing multiplier, or that the PS2 could generate real emotions with its engine.
Buggy Loop
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Did anyone poke Jen-Hsun Huang on twitter about his custom tegra yet?
But kidding asides, could they have used the gates that likely will not be used, like 4k decoders, for something else, using the same logic gates?
Before everyone freaks out about Nvidia "man years" :
The R&D for a custom Tegra API specific for Nintendo, made by Nvidia, is a lot more important for a company like Nintendo (not known for great devkit documentation or easy of development) than 20nm -> 16nm would ever have been. Nvidia has a lot of tricks and algorithms in their bags, they have dwelved into the code of pretty much all PC games out there.
But kidding asides, could they have used the gates that likely will not be used, like 4k decoders, for something else, using the same logic gates?
Before everyone freaks out about Nvidia "man years" :
The R&D for a custom Tegra API specific for Nintendo, made by Nvidia, is a lot more important for a company like Nintendo (not known for great devkit documentation or easy of development) than 20nm -> 16nm would ever have been. Nvidia has a lot of tricks and algorithms in their bags, they have dwelved into the code of pretty much all PC games out there.
Just quoting this again, cos it needs to seemingly be repeating forever.
Good post, sums it up nicely.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=232170765
Oh sorry, guess it wasn't 3+ months ago and only 2 months and 29 days.
Exactly =! pretty much, Foxconn's clocks being inside of X1 stock specs is well within reasonable speculation, as is a shrink to 16nm, did I know that Nintendo used 20nm? no one did except insiders, so I don't see your point. You seem a bit obsessed and on a witch hunt. Eurogamer's clocks were wrong, and only recently updated.
I continued to speculate on power consumption and disagreed with memory power draw, which was unknown to us and used to fill a gap in working out one set of expectations.
Apparently.
Also Apparently, you can't speculate in a speculation threads.
Oh sorry, guess it wasn't 3+ months ago and only 2 months and 29 days.
Exactly =! pretty much, Foxconn's clocks being inside of X1 stock specs is well within reasonable speculation, as is a shrink to 16nm, did I know that Nintendo used 20nm? no one did except insiders, so I don't see your point. You seem a bit obsessed and on a witch hunt. Eurogamer's clocks were wrong, and only recently updated.
I continued to speculate on power consumption and disagreed with memory power draw, which was unknown to us and used to fill a gap in working out one set of expectations.
Apparently.
Also Apparently, you can't speculate in a speculation threads.
Yes, because that's what I said. It's always like this with you. It's good that you don't get dizzy from all the spinning.
I will drop it though, I don't want to upset TLZ. You were right all along. You're always right and never wrong.
Holy shit, are we dating? just ignore my posts man.
I use to use the minish cap link as my avatar, someone else was using the same icon. Since I was a Zombie and this movie had just come out (I have never seen it tbh) I just grabbed it as a quick solution. Does it come off as aggressive or something?
GhostTrick
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A lot of the 3rd parties I cited where announced BEFORE the 3DS release, that is for Layton 5, Layton VS Ace Attorney, Kingdom Hearts, Ace Combat, Metal Gear Solid 3, Resident Evil Revelations, Super Street Fighter IV, Tales of the Abyss, Tekken 3D, One Piece, Dead or Alive Dimensions, Samurai Warriors Chronicles.
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