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Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it
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CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Oh, so now you're just shit slinging?
I was hoping you'd reflect for a moment and mature the fuck up. I clearly had too much faith in you.
I at least tried to stay on topic instead of descending into "iran sux you just hate israel lolz" "nuh-uh!" "yuh-uh! and you suck too!"
The US has been involved in wars since World War II, and has instigated a lot of wars. When Iran got attacked by Iraq, the US chose to support Iraq for instance.
phosphor112
Banned
What?
The US, IAEA, Israelis all say they Iran doesn't have any or even want any nuclear weapons. Iran has been saying this for a decade. They don't want any, it's against their religious views, and they've time and time again let the IAEA come in and look around.
So does Israel. Doesn't give Iran the right, but just wanted to point that out.
RustyNails
Member
bubu why do they hate us
Everyone involved is dirty.
They've all killed innocent people and terrorized each other. Some have done it slightly more than others and some are ganging up (Israel + US) but they're all dirty and it's immensely sad.
This virus spreading thing is bullshit and all the related news (racist Israeli government, suicide bombs, killing civilians) is a show of the worst part of human nature.
They've all killed innocent people and terrorized each other. Some have done it slightly more than others and some are ganging up (Israel + US) but they're all dirty and it's immensely sad.
This virus spreading thing is bullshit and all the related news (racist Israeli government, suicide bombs, killing civilians) is a show of the worst part of human nature.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
CHEEZMO;38402157 said:
eh, calling me a console fanboy was pretty much ad hominem, so yeah. Dunno what you wanted me to say. Your posts here have had precious little to do with the topic at hand.
I posted IAEA reports documenting categorical evidence of Iranian intent to develop a nuclear weapon and subsequent UN censure. That's the bottom line of the issue. Iran either was or is building a nuke. If they aren't now, they should let the IAEA in to observe and abide by international regulations. They aren't doing that, which is understandably distressing for outside observers given Iran's penchant for horrific and deplorable abuses of human rights.
RustyNails
Member
No, man, it was just a mistranslation! They actually said "We love you with all our hearts. Viva Israel!"
Yeah, and expelling the Israeli Jews from Palestine.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
This is what confuses me. I thought it was a mistranslation and that Iran said they want to wipe Israel's government off the map.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
You should be ok with it unconditionally.
I don't know what inspectors would be checking out in Israeli facilities. It's well known Israel has nukes. *shrug*
Like the Jewish people expelled from Iran, right?
No, like the Jewish people expelled from every Arab country.
Can we leave Iran alone already?
The U.S. has NEVER, EVER, gave comfort to or supported terrorist groups. They NEVER supported insurgents or guerrilla groups in other countries and gotten elected rulers overthrown and/or killed by said U.S. backed groups. This has NEVER effin happened. The U.S. aggressively prosecuted the KKK from it's inception. Government officials were never in collusion with the KKK and justice was served 100% of the time this terror group lynched blacks. The U.S. has an impeccable, godly record of fighting terrorism.
Post of the thread.
Take a look at the author of that article.
"Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard"
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-committed-full-annihilation-israel-says-top-iranian-033409439.html
Their intentions seem pretty clear to me.
Provide me another source other than a former CIA operative and The Daily Caller (Founder Tucker Carlson).
Then what would you consider objective sources?
A source that holds up to the code of ethics in the field of journalism.
If you take a look at Reza Kahlili's website, it is quite clear he is not an objective source. Also considering the fact that he is a former CIA operative, who has a vested interest in seeing the current regime of Iran being removed, I cannot consider him a reputable source.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
... but I liked those posters. Is that from this thread?
Seems like it is.
I can't really find anything that will satisfy that criteria. I'll concede this for now.
In any case, it's a known fact that Iran funds both Hezbollah and Hamas and has made many remarks in the past on what it wants to happen to Israel. I really don't think Iran deserves the benefit of the doubt here.
Theonik
Member
Yes. This sort of thread is always a deathzone.
And how is that a good thing? That doesn't sound too far removed from "kick Israelis out of Palestine".
That seems like a fringe website, it has "A free press for a Conservative revolution" in it's header. And it is sourcing the exact same article from The Daily Caller.
Also, what is new about Iran having proxies? Plenty of countries have proxies that they don't particularly like but have little choice but to support. If you want to carry out your covert war via proxies, you don't particularly have a large selection of militant groups that you can find to fit your core beliefs.
Does Israel share the same core beliefs of militant groups like Jundallah, or MeK? Probably not, but it still supports and funds them to help carry out it's covert operations on Iran.
theignoramus
Member
http://english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=31Supreme Leader Khamenei said:
That's Iran's formal position on the matter. (unless Khamenei has said something different since?) Im not saying this is "good" or even practical, I'm saying this is the manner in which they'd see Israel annihilated. There's a pretty sharp moral difference between a call for the return of all refugees versus the physical destruction of Israel or a call for an ethnic cleansing of Jews from Palestine.
I think the diffrence is the iranian leadership is much closer to the groups they support and thier ideals then israel is to thiers.
well I dont know about the rest of them but phosphor112 did call someone a son of a bitch for no apperant reason at some point during the disscussion,
also now that things have cooled down a bit, I honestly dont see why the use of these methods is so looked down upon here, stuxnet was designed to destroy centrifuges, it was no actul threat to peoples lives, more then anything I think the US didnt want it revealed because not only does it look bad, but it can be dissected and it would be harder to effectively attack in this fashion in the future.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Not a permanent death surely?
How would you annihilate Israel without also annihilating the Palestinians? Man these leaders are stupid as fuck.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideis...yatollah-Khamenei-Israel-a-Historical-Cancer/
this is obviously not the formal stance, but if you would believe spains former prime minister, the iranian goverment's formal and non formal stances are very diffrent.
Theonik
Member
I have no idea about this situation in particular but I doubt any of the bans are permanent but they might be very long.
The US Government, a terrorist organisation? You dont say. Thousands and thousands were killed and tortured in the name of freedome, democracy and so forth. It´s not like the United States or Israel are any different than most other "civilized" nations on the globe. They just happen to have a better PR unit to make them look good.
Check my edit. That was an admittedly bad site I linked to. I should have checked to see what kind of site it was first. That one was on me.
I had a response, but it seems someone else beat me to it.
Indeed, but...
Given their alleged desire for a one state solution, it's pretty obvious what's being implied about Israel and her Jewish citizens. I think that alone should be a cause for alarm. Also, it's not like the Israelis are just going to put their hands up and leave their homes. Rather, it should go without saying that violence will enter the picture, and Iran knows this.
That said, I agree that the Palestinians should be allowed to return to their homes.
For a long time, code like that was just theoretical. Now we know that it's a freaking reality. It's fucking cool. But fucking scary. If this thing can recompile itself and utilize new bits of known software it comes into contact with, we might very well just see some serious cyberwar blowback. Or even worse, someone we've worked with in the past can take it and use it against us directly, either for spying or sabotage. I guess the DOD will have to stuxnet proof their shit now. But then the loose link has always been the private sector collaborators.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I am sick and tired of reading this misquote on the internet and on TV over and over again. What Ahmadinejad said was that "Israel would be wiped off the pages of time," because oppressive regimes don't last (and yes, I can fully see the irony in that statement). He never said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map.
Jeez, I freaking hate the media sometimes.
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