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[Danne-Danger]

I just wrote this thing in a thread about aim-assist, figured I'd move it here instead as it's the same arguments:

I'm not arguing with you that it can be easy, but not everyone has a capable PC/knows they have a capable PC. As someone else pointed out M/K controls are good for FPS/RTS and quite shit for everything else, especially in terms of comfort.

Microsoft has actually done a pretty good job with letting people know how capable their system is with the scoring and stuff they've added. And it's pretty obvious to me that gamers aren't looking for the most effective way to control their games.

There are a ton of old PC games out there with active communities, some even 13-16 years old! You'll find something to play no matter what hardware you're on, if not you ask someone for help or turn it in to tune it up. It's amazing how cheap and easy it is to upgrade as well, just so we get that in there.

Besides, most games that requires a gamepad on PC will support it nowadays (SF, DMC, BlazBlue or whatever it's called), it's plug and play and the controllers even has "Microsoft" printed on the back. That's a non-issue.

My friends have consoles, they play a lot of games with each other on these consoles. A lot of the ports that the PC gets are lazy as hell, so that kind of screws up the multiplatform support.

But they're still better, and they usually get some sort of dedicated server support or PC gamers just won't buy their shit. As more games use Steam or even Steamworks you'll have your "live experience" as well (as if you didn't just use MSN/IRC/Ventrilo/whatever before).

And yeah you can output to your home theatre system but a ton of people don't have that. A ton of people are younger kids who may not even have an HDTV that they play on.

No, which is why a lot of kids game on PC, because it's cheaper and every home has one! But that's my experience, living in Sweden, since CS came out that was the de facto introduction to gaming, which meant you started on PC or transitioned over from consoles if you aged into that era (as I did!). We had some really good governmental support over here for getting capable computers into homes at that time so pretty much everyone could play, later came WoW, and now that's the big thing. Seeing arguments for how difficult it is to game on PC is pretty frustrating when that's what everyone around you grew up with, and today it's easier than ever, hence the only way to fail is to not try at all. Sure consoles may be easier since you just push a button, but really, how "easy" does it need to be? It's not nearly as huge of a step as some people would make you believe.

I don't see the big deal here. Again, consoles are more convenient for the average joe. Computers may just work after a click or two for you or me, but for a lot of people it can be a major hassle. Especially compared to hooking up a console and hitting the ON button.

See I just can't agree with that. I've met people that have surprised me with their ability to breathe let alone set up a functional dedicated server. Look at WoW, that even has menus you need to slog through and shit you need to read, and yet every person above six years of age can figure it out, even if they don't know English!

Console gaming is just way too cynical.

 

[shuyin_]

OP, how old are you? I'm just curious what you think are GAF's standards regarding age.

 

[Tawpgun]

I have a working PC already, no point in replacing it with a more powerful machine that can run the latest games. However if I ever do need a new computer I'm going to try and get one that can run the latest games at a decent price.

I suck with the technical side of computers. Consoles are nice and easy. PC I have to replace parts, drivers, mess with game settings and files...

The big one is friends. All my friends are on Xbox. I play at a computer desk so I can't use the couch excuse.

Exclusives. Primarily Halo. I'm a huge Halo fan and couldn't imagine not being able to play the latest haloz.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Convenience

and i use my PC for alot of other things, just dont wanna burden it with more.

I played a few on my PC the past years, but the last PC game i played was Bioshock

 

[Houston3000]

I work at a PC all day (programmer) and I don't want to sit at a PC all evening.

I work nearly 10 hours a day with servers and on my PC, so I don't want to sit in front of it unless I really have to.

This never makes sense to me... how is sitting down and playing The Witcher 2 any different then sitting down and playing the latest Final Fantasy? Speaking of just the experience of the platform, not the games themselves.

This is the worst excuse, about on par with the "$1000" gaming PC argument. You hold a controller and control a 3D character in a video game on a screen... how would either of them bring back horrible memories of your terrible job choices? Or how would one bring them back but not the other? They're the same.

 

[CitizenCope]

I know very little about computers and even as an avid gamer and graphics whore I'm not willing to learn(lazy?). Will continue with the relative ease of consoles for the rest of my life I suppose.

 

[PooBone]

I find the mouse and keyboard much less comfortable, and sitting at a computer looking at a monitor is what I do all day at work. I would rather sit on the couch looking at a big screen with a controller in hand. Also, PC gaming has lots of standardization issues. I always catch myself thinking that my machine is either trying to do to much causing performance to drop, or it could look better because it's running too smooth. It's a distraction.
I've never played a third person game on PC that felt right, and it's one of my favorite genres. I understand that you can play games with a controller, but then why am I playing it on a PC.

There are attractive things about the PC gaming experience, the most notable one is Steam and the ease of use there, and the more frequent patch/content updates, but for me it just comes down to the fact that I like sitting on a couch instead of at a desk, and I like knowing what I'm playing is optimized by a developer to look as good as it can with optimal performance.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I never understood this odd conception that you can't hook a PC to a television.

It's not that you can't, it's just that it requires a lot more setup and room planning to do. Typically my home PC and big TV aren't in the same room.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

For me is very simple why I'm not in PC gaming:

Price - Whenever it becomes possible to put together a rig (i do not have a use for a tower PC so I only have laptops. When I'm talking about building a rig for me I'm talking about "from scratch) that does significantly better than Xbox 360 and PS3 for $300, I'm jumping head first into PC gaming and flipping 2 birds to console.

$0.02

Your opinion can be respected but let's not let the greatness of PC gaming dilute your opinion on consoles. You can still have a great and compelling experience on consoles with some good visuals. I say good because we have hit a wall on consoles, no other way to put it. Of course you can still make artistic games that don't require raw horsepower but you cannot produce a beast like The Witcher 2 on consoles with the visual splendor intact. It's difficult to convey how much better a visual punch can make a game that much more immersive (is that even a word ).

And again, you are overstating the difficulty in building a PC. It's not rocket science like it used to be with you having to fix the CPU timings yourself.

 

[PooBone]

This never makes sense to me... how is sitting down and playing The Witcher 2 any different then sitting down and playing the latest Final Fantasy? Speaking of just the experience of the platform, not the games themselves.

This is the worst excuse, about on par with the "$1000" gaming PC argument. You hold a controller and control a 3D character in a video game on a screen... how would either of them bring back horrible memories of your terrible job choices?

you're the worst excuse.

 

[Korigama]

Price, convenience, and my tendency to lean primarily toward Japanese titles (JRPGs, fighters, and character action games coincidentally among some of my interests) factor into why I stuck with consoles and handhelds instead of getting into PC gaming. I can't really think of any PC exclusives of interest to me off the top of my head, and the Western titles that do interest me are already on consoles.

 

[Kinyou]

I've read multiple comments from people who bought Witcher 2 and couldn't even get the game to start. They either have now to wait for a patch or had to do a lot of configuration until they could get it to run.

I don't want to fear every time I buy a new game that it wont run on my pc.

 

[Cipherr]

I've read multiple comments from people who bought Witcher 2 and couldn't even get the game to start. They either have now to wait for a patch or had to do a lot of configuration until they could get it to run.

I don't want to fear every time I buy a new game that it wont run on my pc.

Like LA Noire? Or Portal 2 multiplayer for PS3 users for roughly 3 weeks?

This never makes sense to me... how is sitting down and playing The Witcher 2 any different then sitting down and playing the latest Final Fantasy? Speaking of just the experience of the platform, not the games themselves.

This is the worst excuse, about on par with the "$1000" gaming PC argument. You hold a controller and control a 3D character in a video game on a screen.

I would imagine its the people who dont have their systems setup to display on their televisions. Its been mentioned a hundred times that its easily done, but some folks dont want to bother, and thats fine by me. Its not like I personally lose or gain anything if someone plays Portal 2 on a PS3 or a PC. As long as they are supporting good games then I dont really care.

 

[NotebookJ2]

I'll be kinda honest and say the main reason I haven't gotten myself into current PC gaming is because of the more vocal fans.

Yes, I know how illogical that sounds, especially since I've went through something similar before with the Sonic franchise* [and this was before the entire Sonic Cycle meme formed]. Even I realize it's stupid to be turned off by it because of what a bunch of idiots say. But even so, I was kinda hoping that the entire "graphics war" mindset was something that was beyond PC gamers because I hoped they were beyond that, but damn. At some times, they seem worse than console fanboys about that particular aspect.

I'm not one to say that graphics shouldn't totally matter, no matter how crappy they look, but still. It seems like the really vocal, more extreme PC fans only really concern themselves with the graphics themselves, which really scares me in an irrational way. It doesn't really help that the developers seem to be more concerning themselves with how more realistic the graphics look than anything else.

I know there are a lot more aspects to PC gaming besides that, and due to how the medium is, there are a lot of people who aren't obsessed with making the most realistic graphics ever, but it just seems way too common for my own comfort.

Also, the Master Race meme really put a bad taste in my mouth, especially since I've saw that one Windows-icon swastiska picture. I'm not the one to be easily offended or whatever but I just kinda found it really bizarre, and I've seen a lot of strange things on the internet. Yes, I know it's just a joke, but still.

*I should note that I'm not saying PC fans are as bad as Sonic fans, obviously. I just temporarily hated the [older] games because of the crap I've seen spewed out from the more idiotic Sonic fans. I think I'll eventually get over my irrational feelings and give PC gaming a chance, just not right now.

 

[TheSeks]

--Genre interests. The biggest exclusives still tend to come from genres that aren't my primary interests--JRPGs, Fighters, and character actions games.

This. Basically. Always and forever.

Until Final Fantasy n (that isn't an MMO), Dark Souls, Blazblue CS1/2, etc. etc. etc. etc. come to the platform, there is very little reason to invest a lot into Steam.

Sure, the platform is getting BF3 (and I'm getting a new rig for that) and gets CoD and shooters, my primary genre. But I miss out on certain games or lose support (Sup, Dead Rising 2 not getting Frank West?) because developers don't care about the platform.

 

[NeonZ]

I used to play FPS, WRPGs and strategy games years ago on PC, but I stopped pretty much because I got tired of having random compatibility issues and needing to stop background programs in my PC in order to make the games run well. Videogames are just much more convenient, even in their current state.

 

[entremet]

I never understood this odd conception that you can't hook a PC to a television.

For me it's inertia honestly. Consoles are already hooked to my TV and I use my PC for non-gaming tasks--paying bills, online shopping, etc., which I prefer in a desk setting.

I can run a cable from my room to the living room, but that's even more inertia to overcome.

Honestly, I would rather get HTPC slim case and just get another PC, just for gaming, for the living room, than run cable.

 

[alphaNoid]

I'm a mixed PC/Console gamer who was always, always only a PC gamer. I got a console to compliment my gaming PC because sometimes I dont want to sit at my computer and game. No I do not want to build another $1100 rig to connect to my TV, and Yes I prefer having my PC hooked up at a desk for that PC experience.

I use my console to game on when I want to lay on the couch, thing cost $199 and I was done. More importantly after nearly 30 years of gaming, most of my RL friends have sort of drifted to say the least. Gone are the days of hunkering down with mountain dew on the weekend and gaming with a plethra of friends who are available online.

These days I game when I want, and rarely ever play with friends. So personally I game about 75/25 PC to console, but the console was probably the single greatest addition to my gaming infrastructure in 20 years. Gone are the days when I thought PC gaming was the greatest thing ever, gone is my old smugness and elitism.. these days I just simply game to have fun and on the platform I simply feel like.

Its rad.

Signed,
Seasoned and Evolved Gamer

 

[CorkyFromLifeGoesOn]

I use to be a pc gamer(sold my pc to buy parts for a new one) but I'm not super tech savvy and but I know enough. Its been several months and I still haven't bought anything other then the case. The reason, hardware changes too fast. They always have a new processor, gpu, or some new chipset around the corner. SSD drives vs. traditional drives. Different types of ram @ different speeds. Hardware manufacturers label their new products in a confusing ways. Like oh this number seems higher but its not actually faster. Or maybe you'll have two gpus with the same number but one ends with an S and the other one doesn't, or maybe another one has an X at the end. Or maybe its the same card number but one has extra video options, or more ram, or maybe its overclocked. You'll see a gpu with like 6 different prices and as a person who's not too much into the tech that stuff is overwhelming. I can only imagine how gamers who only game on consoles would feel. Its also fairly common knowledge that if you want to get the most for your money you build your pc because otherwise your getting ripped off. Most console gamers trying to get into pc gaming will realize that with a little bit of research, but then you go looking and you get hammered with all that mess. It's very off putting.

 

[daviyoung]

I think this is some weird psychology thing, because I feel 100% comfortable in office chairs at my PC and in fact it is my preferred way to relax. If you had been gaming PC all your life you'd probably be the same way.

It's comfortable to type, not comfortable to use keyboard + mouse for long gaming sessions.

I also want to use keyboard + mouse for most of the games. It's such a superior method for most 3D games compared to a controller, and I want a really good desk and chair to make that comfortable.

I play point and click adventures on the PC, because I can't get them on consoles and I can take my laptop away from the desk for those and use the trackpad. But everything else I'll use a console until I move out and get a real desk with a good chair.

 

[TheExodu5]

I find the mouse and keyboard much less comfortable, and sitting at a computer looking at a monitor is what I do all day at work. I would rather sit on the couch looking at a big screen with a controller in hand.

Great. You can do that PC.

Carnivale #3, here we go.

 

[Edeuinu]

I myself was a 95% PC gamer for several years around the late PS1 up into early into this gen. I mainly played on it for 2 big reasons. Final Fantasy XI and Day of Defeat.

For FFXI sake, it's an MMO, so obviously I'm going to be putting a lot of time into it, and I did. With Day of Defeat I was highly involved with the community, was mod on the official forums, an admin on the official dod team server. It was a blast. Those are still my best gaming years and I don't think they'll be replicated. I still talk with friends I've made over 10+ years ago that were along for the ride. (oops I'm getting sentimental)

Another thing when I started to stray was lack of game's on the platform I was interested in, the metal gears, the fighting games, the rpg's etc. I played my ps1 so damn much and I started to miss those games I wasn't enjoying on pc.

Also I was pretty tired of upgrading, drivers, tweak this tweak that.

I'm at a job all day when I'm working on pc's too, I'm sure that doesn't help.

 

[Osietra]

Carpal tunnel syndrome is a good reason to stick with consoles.

 

[Gully State]

On most days I sit in front of a PC all day for work and if anything it makes my computing experience at home a lot better since I have to deal with slow ass PC's at work.

 

[2real4tv]

Too many damn options when trying to build a rig....

 

[BobsRevenge]

I'll be kinda honest and say the main reason I haven't gotten myself into current PC gaming is because of the more vocal fans.

Yes, I know how illogical that sounds, especially since I've went through something similar before with the Sonic franchise* [and this was before the entire Sonic Cycle meme formed]. Even I realize it's stupid to be turned off by it because of what a bunch of idiots say. But even so, I was kinda hoping that the entire "graphics war" mindset was something that was beyond PC gamers because I hoped they were beyond that, but damn. At some times, they seem worse than console fanboys about that particular aspect.

I'm not one to say that graphics shouldn't totally matter, no matter how crappy they look, but still. It seems like the really vocal, more extreme PC fans only really concern themselves with the graphics themselves, which really scares me in an irrational way. It doesn't really help that the developers seem to be more concerning themselves with how more realistic the graphics look than anything else.

I know there are a lot more aspects to PC gaming besides that, and due to how the medium is, there are a lot of people who aren't obsessed with making the most realistic graphics ever, but it just seems way too common for my own comfort.

Also, the Master Race meme really put a bad taste in my mouth, especially since I've saw that one Windows-icon swastiska picture. I'm not the one to be easily offended or whatever but I just kinda found it really bizarre, and I've seen a lot of strange things on the internet. Yes, I know it's just a joke, but still.

*I should note that I'm not saying PC fans are as bad as Sonic fans, obviously. I just temporarily hated the [older] games because of the crap I've seen spewed out from the more idiotic Sonic fans. I think I'll eventually get over my irrational feelings and give PC gaming a chance, just not right now.

Its illogical, but its very human. One of those more emotional reactions that you have to get over sometimes. Not that you have to in this case, obviously, since not gaming on PC is hardly something important in life.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Too expensive and no exclusives that interest me.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You forgot:
-Don't want to have to write custom drivers
-Controllers feel more authentic/immersive
-Better online support on consoles

Also
-HD graphics *Tm
-gamerscore
-matchmaking, like I press one button and I'm in a game!

Laughing pretty hard at the price argument btw.

Spent 550 on a pc 3.5 years ago and 5-30 euros per game (the odd rare 40 euro exception) since then.
What about you guys?

I've spent so much more on my ps3 and the 15 games I have for it, not even funny how expensive that shit is.

Also my 3.5 year old pc has better specs than that new nintendo console that you guys are drooling over for next year =\

 

[Cipherr]

In fact the only argument I dont understand about not PC gaming is the controller one. Now that one is just absurd. I guess people just dont really realize.

 

[Wichu]

I can't close a PC, put it in my pocket, and play it wherever and whenever I want. I know handhelds =/= consoles, but I don't play consoles either.
I use my MacBook for internet and programming; if I could afford a gaming laptop, I would probably start playing PC games.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm a Mac user who doesn't want to waste HDD space installing Windows on it.

 

[PooBone]

Price, convenience, and my tendency to lean primarily toward Japanese titles (JRPGs, fighters, and character action games coincidentally among some of my interests) factor into why I stuck with consoles and handhelds instead of getting into PC gaming. I can't really think of any PC exclusives of interest to me off the top of my head, and the Western titles that do interest me are already on consoles.

This is a good reason I didn't mention. Other than Valve's games, there's not any PC exclusive titles that really make me wanna jump in if I could do it on a console instead. I don't care if the games look better on PC or not. I like my unified achievement system too. It's why I bought Portal on 360 even though I have a PC and a PS3. I know where I'm gonna be playing it, and I know where my friends are that I'm gonna be playing co-op with.

Also, 360 has a much better microphone-to-user ratio in multiplayer, even if most of those users are little fucking bitches.

 

[TheExodu5]

Carpal tunnel syndrome is a good reason to stick with consoles.

I think people here really need to get more comfortable PC chairs and desks. My setup is extremely comfortable, and makes it pretty much impossible for me to get carpal tunnel.

Stop using your mouse on your tiny 2 foot wide keyboard tray. Get a desk with a proper wing to it to rest your whole mouse arm.

 

[Automatisch]

I go back and forth between my main preference, though PC gaming has always been a big part of my life. The main reasons I see for going back to console are usually the same: lack of exclusives that excite me, most of my friends are playing online with X console, or I'm too into OS X/*NIX at the time to want to bother with Windows.

BTW, I work in IT and I don't have that problem of "ugh sitting in front of the PC at home, fuck that!" fatigue some people have. Sometimes I think about just having my consoles hooked up to my monitor because it's almost more convenient and comfortable to do it at my desk, especially for playing fighters with a stick.

 

[Salsa]

This is false, but I think the argument about where your gaming friends play is valid. For a person that does not want to play randoms and friends have consoles, switching to PC may not be the optimal thing for them.

it aint. The right course of action is to switch your friends over to PC as well, or play with other people.

Sorry, but its true. The big threes need to understand the fact that they should give the same proper, free support that PC gets.

 

[BobsRevenge]

I can't close a PC, put it in my pocket, and play it wherever and whenever I want. I know handhelds =/= consoles, but I don't play consoles either.
I use my MacBook for internet and programming; if I could afford a gaming laptop, I would probably start playing PC games.

Popcap!

 

[Angst]

I do play some games on my PC and it's a pretty good gaming PC, but most of my gaming is on my PS3.

My reasons:

* sometimes I get excited and buy a PC game only to have to either; mess with .ini files or the game crashes for no apparent reason (Thief 3 :-< and Oblivion specifically)
* I don't have a gamepad for my PC and getting the DS3 work involves some kind of voodoo. I've tried it several times, but it never works properly.
* Using M/KB combo is good for control, but also means I have to sit uncomfortably and after a while I want to lean back in my chair. But then I can't reach my keyboard and I can't play with M/KB in my lap.

* exclusive games - especially GT5. I've played lots of PC sims, but none of them are IMO as good as GT5.

 

[HildyB]

My issue lies in configuring for online play.

Why isn't this working? Oh, YOU need to open up your firewall so I can connect to your game? Ok, I'll wait... still nothing.. ok, you try to connect to me if I start the game. Well, Tony got in, but I don't see anyone else. Alright, well let me check the ports.. blah blah blah.

I love PC gaming, it's where I started. LAN parties.. man, those were fun. But I guess I'm just too old to bother with all the tweaking. Back then it was needed, and an accomplishment to do so. Today it's really inexcusable to need to do those things in my opinion. But again, I'm old, get off my lawn.

 

[Stallion Free]

Carpal tunnel syndrome is a good reason to stick with consoles.

Haha. I bounce between my 360 pad and MKB so much on PC. In fact depending on my gaming focus I might be using a pad significantly more on PC and I use the MKB.

 

[Princess Skittles]

You'd think these people are so sick of computers that they wouldn't post on GAF in the first place, unless they did it via console.

You can post on a message board while at work. You (generally) can't fire up a round of Team Fortress 2 while at work.

 

[dark10x]

I love PC and console gaming, but I also enjoy COLLECTING my games. Owning nice physical discs and cases is a real benefit and it just doesn't feel the same buying a PC disc. I love being able to plug and play a game from 10 years ago into a console and just go. This isn't really possible with most older PC games.

At the moment PS3 games feel the most collectible to me. The package materials are simply the highest quality of any console at the moment and the box shape is nice.

That said, in some cases, I'll still go PC over anything else. Something like Crysis 2, for instance, was just so much better on the PC that I could not justify a console version.

 

[GenericUser]

i am using a mouse at my work for ... lets say 8, 10 even 12 hours a day. When i am at home, I just dont feel like using it anymore.

now some could say, many pc games support gamepad or i could use a trackball.
But the second reason why i am mainly a console gamer is, that i am just to damn lazy to configure shit and build a computer that meets my requirements.

Lastly, i think these days, if your are what most of you would call a mainstream gamer, the "best" version of a game is most often the console version. I know this is argueable, but its my opinion.

Of course, being a console gamer means that i am missing most of the hardcore rpg, sim, indie and strategy action. Now thats really sad. But i cant change stupid devs/pubs thinking, but i believe there is definitly a market for that kind of games on consoles.

 

[Danne-Danger]

Also
-HD graphics *Tm
-gamerscore
-matchmaking, like I press one button and I'm in a game!

Ah, that' horrible "play now" button that I've avoided during all my life playing PC games online! That's the real funny thing with all this, PC games have had a lot of the easy-of-use crap for a long time, but when people are given a choice they just don't use it and go with the stuff that gives you more control and ultimately a better experience, funny how that works!

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

In fact the only argument I dont understand about not PC gaming is the controller one. Now that one is just absurd. I guess people just dont really realize.

I don't think it's that absurd. I enjoy playing Battlefield: BC2 on the PS3 because I prefer playing FPS's on (admittedly slower and less precise) dual analogs. Sure, I could buy a controller for a PC and play that way, but that leaves me at a horrible disadvantage when playing online. The only way to ensure a relatively level playing field (for me), something that I find very important, is playing the game on a console.

 

[bengraven]

Man, I wrote the most ludicrous things I could think of and you responded seriously? I mean better online support? Fucking lol I mean look at Sony.



My reputation does not proceed me I guess.

Honestly, I'm exhausted and not on the look out for trolls yet this morning.

*tips hat*

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

It's comfortable to type, not comfortable to use keyboard + mouse for long gaming sessions.

Maybe you have a desk with spikes coming out of them or something, but if you're somebody who works with computers in your job you should have no problem spending hours on end using them, comfortably. I find the best position is to have your keyboard pretty much on the end of the desk with just a tiny gap to rest the base of your hands on.

 

[onken]

I don't like the 360 pad and it's a pain in the ass mapping everything to the DS3 via joy2key. Still do it though

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Too many damn options when trying to build a rig....

I can't even figure out why this would be a bad thing.

Some of the responses in here are like grasping to straws.

I was a PC gamer in the PS1 era then just couldn't afford a new PC due to being to young to save up for one.

I recently made it a point to invest and there is simply no better time to invest into PC gaming. It may have been down years back but has been making a comeback as a viable gaming platform for more than several years now. Native pad support and others things have only helped solidify it as a go to for games.

 

[bengraven]

I think a lot of anti-PC sentiment is ignorance and brand loyalty. And I think this thread has proven that.

 

[Stallion Free]

My issue lies in configuring for online play.

Why isn't this working? Oh, YOU need to open up your firewall so I can connect to your game? Ok, I'll wait... still nothing.. ok, you try to connect to me if I start the game. Well, Tony got in, but I don't see anyone else. Alright, well let me check the ports.. blah blah blah.

What? I have never encountered this. Oh wait, I did have to do that for match-making on MW2.