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[Steve Youngblood]

I like the fact that I can pop in my PS1 copy of MGS1 in my PS3 (or PS1 for that matter) and play it without hassle, while on the other hand it took me a couple of days to find a fix for my PC version of the game in order to play it, yet I still don't get the full experience (

I really try not to appear as though I'm part of the overly arrogant "master race" of gamers, as it's silly, but this is honestly a pretty disingenuous post here. Backwards compatibility is hardly a staple of console gaming, and citing your ability to play a two-generations old game in your current hardware is a pretty isolated example, here. I mean, I might need a patch or two to get an old PC game working, but try playing your old NES cartridge of Legend of Zelda on your Wii.

 

[mxgt]

PC gamers may seem arrogant but the fact is the large majority of us own a console as well and are informed in both areas.

Console only owners more often than not (and proven by this thread yet again) are not as informed about PC gaming and as such make a lot of assumptions and over exaggerations.

Don't get me wrong though, a lot of you have very valid and sensible reasons to not game on PC but there are a lot of posts here that make my head hurt.

 

[danmaku]

4 of my hardcore PC gaming-friends migrated this gen. I had to listen to 2 months of continuous bitching of how much the 360 pad sucks.

Then it stopped. Now the fuckers kick my ass in any FPS game there is on the console.

I once asked them that how about new PC's when Diablo 3 comes out. 3/4 of them said that they won't play it unless it comes on 360.

yeah, I read a lot of those stories. I thought it would be the same, but in my case it was the opposite. People don't like changes, unless there's a VERY good reason for them.

 

[Princess Skittles]

I am not mocking...I am legitimately curious: what would you recommend on WiiWare? I was looking through the games and it all seemed to be Tetris clones and other mindless puzzle games. Are there legitimately good games that I'm just missing on the service. The only games I own on WiiWare are LostWinds and...that flashlight game. Can't say I cared for either of them very much.

Browsing through the list on Wikipedia, here's what I have and enjoy on WiiWare (noting that some were or are now available on PC as well).

Alien Crush Returns
Art Style: CUBELLO
Art Style: light trax
Art Style: ORBIENT
Art Style: ROTOHEX
Art Style: ROTOZOA
Bit.Trip Beat
Bit.Trip Core
Bit.Trip Fate
Bit.Trip Flux
Bit.Trip Runner
Bit.Trip Void
Blaster Master: Overdrive
Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth
Cave Story
Contra ReBirth
Excitebike: World Rally
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Fluidity
Gradius ReBirth
Jett Rocket
Mega Man 9
Mega Man 10
Mr. Driller W
Star Soldier R
World of Goo
Zombie Panic in Wonderland

Again, this is going to end up being game/genre preference, because the thee games you listed couldn't be less interesting/more boring to me. But there are PC exlcusive small/indie games that I am completely in love with. Spelunky, for the love of everything, to start with. Noitu Love 2 is completely awesome. Recettear.. Aquaria.. etc., I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple not being at my home PC.

But just in terms of what I personally like, XBLA and WiiWare eclipse what I can find on PC.

 

[Takamura-San]

Maybe on PC laptops, but SC2 is pretty unplayable on a Mac. After getting burnt with that I vowed (again) that I was done with PC games.

Yeah, I understand the difficulties, but I don't see the point in spending that kind of money just to play games. With consoles all I need is $300 and I'm good to go...

What?

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Maybe on PC laptops, but SC2 is pretty unplayable on a Mac. After getting burnt with that I vowed (again) that I was done with PC games.

Yeah, I understand the difficulties, but I don't see the point in spending that kind of money just to play games. With consoles all I need is $300 and I'm good to go...

understood, mods are what draws me to pc gaming, I just like having the option to being an overly muscled naked female cyborg with clouds ff7 sword in fallout 3, .......should I so feel the need.......

 

[TheExodu5]

Maybe on PC laptops, but SC2 is pretty unplayable on a Mac. After getting burnt with that I vowed (again) that I was done with PC games.

Yeah, I understand the difficulties, but I don't see the point in spending that kind of money just to play games. With consoles all I need is $300 and I'm good to go...

The iMacs and Macbook Pros should play SC2 just fine.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I like the fact that I can pop in my PS1 copy of MGS1 in my PS3 (or PS1 for that matter) and play it without hassle, while on the other hand it took me a couple of days to find a fix for my PC version of the game in order to play it, yet I still don't get the full experience (FMVs are displayed as blue screens, not to mention other technical inconsistencies)

I ask this, do you expect to play The Witcher 2 in 10 years without resorting to shitty fan patches that don't work as they should?
I highly doubt that...

You gotta be joking. Of course I'll be able to easily play The Witcher 2 in 10 years on my PC without resorting to anything, just like I can easily play games from the late 90s and earlier on my PC today.

You do realize you are in a very small minority that can play PS1 games on their PS3?

 

[PooBone]

What?

How did you come to this conclusion?

If it's anything other than "I tried playing it on a Mac," we have an insta-fail.

 

[Danne-Danger]

Wait, what?

You have two TVs next to each other?

My mother has it set up like that! One TV and one big-ass media center PC.

My aunt and "uncle" has the same setup, it's not that uncommon, really! And very convenient.

 

[dark10x]

Also, despite my opinion, I've spent a lot of money on PC gaming. Not just the PC itself, but actually wiring everything up in the basement from a first floor PC. I rolled that into the basement refurbishing project, but still, it added to the cost.

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

So, how is playing PS2 games on your PS3 working out for ya? Or how will playing PS3 games on your PS5 gonna work out for ya. Probably not very well.

Also http://www.gog.com Backwards compatibility isn't perfect, but nothing rarely is. Especially if you don't want to keep a closet full of old ass consoles around.

Quite well actually

Anyways, I'll just leave my PS3 in my parents house or something whenever the PS4 comes out and I'll use it when I need it, I only buy Sony consoles but I think I'll buy the Cafe next-gen as well so multiple consoles isn't a hassle.

 

[TheExodu5]

Browsing through the list on Wikipedia, here's what I have and enjoy on WiiWare (noting that some were or are now available on PC as well).

Alien Crush Returns
Art Style: CUBELLO
Art Style: light trax
Art Style: ORBIENT
Art Style: ROTOHEX
Art Style: ROTOZOA
Bit.Trip Beat
Bit.Trip Core
Bit.Trip Fate
Bit.Trip Flux
Bit.Trip Runner
Bit.Trip Void
Blaster Master: Overdrive
Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth
Cave Story
Contra ReBirth
Excitebike: World Rally
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Fluidity
Gradius ReBirth
Jett Rocket
Mega Man 9
Mega Man 10
Mr. Driller W
Star Soldier R
World of Goo
Zombie Panic in Wonderland

Again, this is going to end up being game/genre preference, because the thee games you listed couldn't be less interesting/more boring to me. But there are PC exlcusive small/indie games that I am completely in love with. Spelunky, for the love of everything, to start with. Noitu Love 2 is completely awesome. Recettear.. Aquaria.. etc., I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple not being at my home PC.

But just in terms of what I personally like, XBLA and WiiWare eclipse what I can find on PC.

Thanks for the recommendations. Just to let you know, at the very least, the bolded games above are available on PC.

I didn't realize there were more Bit.Trip games...maybe I should check them out.

 

[vixlar]

2. Mouse and Keyboard aiming. Sure, it is more accurate. However, it is far less natural. To me, the Analog control on consoles more closely mimic the way it feels to aim an actual weapon. Mouse aiming is "too" precise.

This... this... this.

I bought a laptop two years ago that costed me double than my xbox and it can't run games that I can play easily on my xbox.

But, you know? I'm planning to become a PC player for next generation.

 

[GodofWine]

Since online multiplayer games are what me and my friends all play now (mostly), the accesibility and standardization of the console is great.

Every 5 years, agree on the console choice, and roll for 5-6 more years online together, no system issues (ok, the occasional failure, but none of us had a ps3 die yet), we all prefer the feel of aiming with a controller over the 'far too accurate' feel of the mouse (just clicking 'heads' isn't fun IMO).

No viruses, no hardware issues, no settings issues...its easy no brainer stuff, and I (we) all have enough crap going on in our lives (early 30's, young families, ever increasing work responsibility) that to just sit on the couch, hit a button, click on the game, and be in, is really really nice.

PC's are the master race, but consoles are a nice way to game.

 

[Mindman]

I don't game on PC because I consider console gamers to be the REAL "master race."

 

[sturmdogg]

I used to be a PC gamer. Until I got tired of constantly upgrading my hardware to play the latest games.

Now with console games they might not look better than it's PC counterpart, but at least I know the games I play will run smoothly.

Also, I got used to controllers. Tried to play BF:BC2 on the PC and I just couldn't handle it.

 

[LosDaddie]

Good read so far. Nothing unexpected being said, but it's always a fun read considering how pro-PC GAF is.


I'll contribute:

- Convenience (yes, it is)

- All of games I want to play are on consoles. The only games I know I'm buying new/at launch this year are NCAA Football 12, Gears3 and Uncharted 3. None are on PC. And I'm still enjoying Halo Reach.

- All of my family & friends game on consoles.

- Nothing PC-exclusive that interests me. Maybe SC2, but that's it. The only thing PC gaming really offers me is better performance.

- We only own a laptop, and it's usually in the office. So I'd either have to bring it to my Family Room & hook it up each time I want to game, or I'd have to buy a desktop just for gaming....and probably a new entertainment center just to house the PC. Not appealing at all.

- Since I rarely replay games, it's nice to be able to trade in games once I'm done with them. It's also nice to borrow/trade games with friends/family.

 

[bender]

I guess it comes down to I'm used to dealing with console fanboys. I know how and why they do what they do. And it's not like them and PC fanboys aren't cut from the same cloth.

It seems to me like the annoying PC fans are the ones just now getting into PC gaming. A few days, or weeks, back I saw someone post "this is golden age of PC gaming" and I had to chuckle. We've seen so many franchises get streamlined for sake of accessibility and fitting on as many platforms as possible. That's more than a little depressing.

 

[Danne-Danger]

I don't game on PC because I consider console gamers to be the REAL "master race."

How did you draw that conclusion?

On consoles you play by the rules along with other plebs, on PC you pave your own path, like Napoleon.

 

[TheExodu5]

I used to be a PC gamer. Until I got tired of constantly upgrading my hardware to play the latest games.

Now with console games they might not look better than it's PC counterpart, but at least I know the games I play will run smoothly.

Also, I got used to controllers. Tried to play BF:BC2 on the PC and I just couldn't handle it.

You know a PC from late 2006 will run the vast majority of PC games just fine? (though...BFBC2 is one of the games that does need a quad-core to run well)

 

[Deleted member 17706]

This... this... this.

I bought a laptop two years ago that costed me double than my xbox and it can't run games that I can play easily on my xbox.

But, you know? I'm planning to become a PC player for next generation.

That's because you bought a 600 dollar laptop?

Of course it's going to be seriously underpowered.

 

[TheSeks]

(ok, the occasional failure, but none of us had a ps3 die yet)

:lol x 1000 I have. Three times. GPU failures twice, RRoD/YLoD once.

If next console generation doesn't get reliable hardware, I'm done. My PS3 YLoDing is what has pushed me over the edge into getting BF3 on PC/building a PC for it than sitting around and praying my PS3 doesn't die while I'm on the warpath to level 50 in the PS3 version.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I really try not to appear as though I'm part of the overly arrogant "master race" of gamers, as it's silly, but this is honestly a pretty disingenuous post here. Backwards compatibility is hardly a staple of console gaming, and citing your ability to play a two-generations old game in your current hardware is a pretty isolated example, here. I mean, I might need a patch or two to get an old PC game working, but try playing your old NES cartridge of Legend of Zelda on your Wii.

Moreover, the specific example of being able to "pop in a PS1 game and play it on PS3" is funny, because you can pop in a PS1 game and play it on PC

 

[genjiZERO]

understood, mods are what draws me to pc gaming, I just like having the option to being an overly muscled naked female cyborg with clouds ff7 sword in fallout 3, .......should I so feel the need.......

I can dig on the mods. Some of the stuff for Oblivion looks really ill.

What?

How did you come to this conclusion?

I can't play it without turning down the features all the way. Then it looks worse than SC1, and still has delay problems.

 

[TheExodu5]

Moreover, the specific example of being able to "pop in a PS1 game and play it on PS3" is funny, because you can pop in a PS1 game and play it on PC

Though, to be fair, setting up PS1 and later emulators can be a PITA.

But then...at least the PC can play PS2 games, while the PS3 cannot.

 

[Tanolen]

Some being... one?

What outside of MMO's has Square released on PC other than the Last Remant?

FF7 and FF8

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I like the fact that I can pop in my PS1 copy of MGS1 in my PS3 (or PS1 for that matter) and play it without hassle, while on the other hand it took me a couple of days to find a fix for my PC version of the game in order to play it, yet I still don't get the full experience (FMVs are displayed as blue screens, not to mention other technical inconsistencies)

I ask this, do you expect to play The Witcher 2 in 10 years without resorting to shitty fan patches that don't work as they should?
I highly doubt that...

Had thos problem when trying to install Grim Fandango on my buddy's XP machine.

 

[Salsa]

Bad Company 2 is optimized like shit and takes advantage of a quad-core processor.

Im puttin money on the fact that BF3, being developed with PC as the main focus, will run better on a PC that has problems running BC2 today.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Here is my deal. I like PCs. Mostly for MMORPGs. But there are some big advantages in Console gaming that just make it easier to support for the average game fan.

1. Standardization/Price. I pay one price for the console and after that, for 5 or 6 years I can play every game that comes out for that console and NEVER have to worry if my machine can handle it.

2. Mouse and Keyboard aiming. Sure, it is more accurate. However, it is far less natural. To me, the Analog control on consoles more closely mimic the way it feels to aim an actual weapon. Mouse aiming is "too" precise.

3. Minimal hardware upgrades. Most console hardware upgrades are convenience upgrades. You don't get into a situation where the video card you bought last year does not have enough RAM to run this year's games at acceptable performance levels.

4. Minimal OS hassles. You don't have situations where you go from Windows Vista to Windows 7 and all of a sudden, your old games don't work and you have to wait on a patch to fix it. Or the new OS does not support your sound card, etc...

5. Less opportunity for User created problems. Your Mother/Wife/Brother/Sister/Dad/Cousin/Uncle/Child/Grandchild is not as likely to hop on your console and download something nasty that seriously screws up your console.

It's not the 90s anymore, comp hardware ages a lot less fast since dual cores were introduced.

Turn off aim assist see how natural your controller feels, the only natural feeling you get is the game aiming for you.

PC is cheaper full stop, this argument has been brought up plenty of times.

The OS hassles dissapeared after the 64bit switch pains and the vista disaster era ended.
Anyhow, you still have a normal pc don't you? you have to deal with that stuff regardless.

 

[Princess Skittles]

Just to let you know, at the very least, the bolded games above are available on PC.

(noting that some were or are now available on PC as well).

I'm glad to offer the recommendations though, because WiiWare does have a lot of cool stuff on it, even if Nintendo can't be assed to let everybody know about it. If you list specific games or genres you enjoy I can cut that list down.. and I'm pretty sure there has to be a WiiWare thread were other members have listed other suggestions that didn't interest me, personally.

They DID pick the most fun Bit.Trip for a PC release (Runner), but if you liked those two, the others are definitely worth looking at.

 

[NotebookJ2]

You do know that the consoles are more or less just PC hardware with custom operation systems, right? If, like someone proposed earlier in the thread, Valve designed a "Steam OS" that booted directly into Steam and could only play games, would you not have qualms with people squandering their PC's power by playing video games?

Well, yeah, I know that about consoles. But consoles are really only designed for entertainment. PCs are generally designed to do a lot more than entertain.

And it's not like I have a problem with people only using their PCs to play games only or anything [I don't exactly understand the Steam OS analogy though]. It's just something I can't bring myself to think when it comes to these types of discussions. I don't exactly understand myself why I can't do so. Combine that with the typical fanboy mentality, which I hate, things start to get really weird to me. I seriously cannot think of the PC as a gaming platform. And I don't mean that in a bad or good way, it's just how I ended up thinking.

I have a feeling this may be due to how I grew up with computers though.

 

[TheSeks]

FF7 and FF8

This gen?

(Also FF7 and 8 ran like ASS on PC)

 

[Future PhaZe]

For me the issue is that all the positive aspects of PC gaming would result in an admission that I'm looking to take my gaming to the next level--something that I'm just not interested in as a college student looking to make the best use of my free-time.

From building a rig, to exploring mods, to the myriad of fantastic steam deals, the MMO's, etc...there's absolutely no doubt that its the superior option as far as gaming is concerned, but I just don't have any interest in taking things to that level.

The simplicity of console gaming takes a lot of the thinking and temptation away due to the limitations in place. Its good enough for me.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

PC gamers may seem arrogant but the fact is the large majority of us own a console as well and are informed in both areas.

Console only owners more often than not (and proven by this thread yet again) are not as informed about PC gaming and as such make a lot of assumptions and over exaggerations.

Don't get me wrong though, a lot of you have very valid and sensible reasons to not game on PC but there are a lot of posts here that make my head hurt.

As a primarily console oriented gamer I find myself completely agreeing with this post. It seems like the opinions many people have of PC gaming were formed 10 years ago and are in need of some re-examining.

 

[Jackl]

Not exactly on topic, but my Xbox dying on me is what got me back into PC. On that note, when a PC breaks you can typically identify whats wrong with it, replace the component, then go back to gaming. Having to wait two weeks for a certified shop to open a plastic box sucks balls.

Battlefield and MMOs got a hold of me and never let go.

I do miss some console exclusives, stuff like Demon Souls(Psst, PC release on Steam I WILL GIVE YOU MY MONEY!).

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

You gotta be joking. Of course I'll be able to easily play The Witcher 2 in 10 years on my PC without resorting to anything, just like I can easily play games from the late 90s and earlier on my PC today.

You do realize you are in a very small minority that can play PS1 games on their PS3?

I call bullshit on this one, I see people needing patches for '04 games because of sound or graphical glitches that didn't exist back then, also another example would be System Shock 2 (was it released 2000?) people need to install fan patches to run it on W7 and it seems like a really popular game. So I highly doubt that 10 years from now you'll get the full experience without having to resort to some trickery.

Also, all PS3s play PS1 games.

 

[Tobor]

I'll play the Witcher 2 if it would be playable on a controller, without having to use a mouse or a keyboard, with the game starting when I insert the DVD in the tray, while lying down on the sofa.

Bonus for not even seeing the desktop of the OS.


That made me think. Imagine if Valve would design an OS:

- Computer boots to "SteamOS" instead of Windows/Linux/OSX
- Checks automatically new drivers for your GFX card / peripherials and installs them in the background, without anything needed from the user
- Controller-designed UI
- All games on the platform must have 100% controller compatibility


Holy shit, I would put 1500€ on my PC right here, right now and game only on this system.

This is exactly what I want. I'd definitely buy a "Steambox".

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Nothing entertains the mature handheld gamer more than a squabble between the PC and Console children

We know who the real master race is

 

[Grisby]

Money and the fact that a lot of little things can go wrong. I know most PC games ship fine but back when I gamed on PC (long while ago) little bugs always popped up that were annoying.

I like to stick the thing in and just have it work its magic.

 

[Stumpokapow]

That made me think. Imagine if Valve would design an OS:

- Checks automatically new drivers for your GFX card / peripherials and installs them in the background, without anything needed from the user

Holy shit, I would put 1500€ on my PC right here, right now and game only on this system.

Steam already does this

 

[CecilRousso]

Two questions:

1. Aren´t people here more answering the question "Why do you prefer console gaming" instead of "What keeps you from PC gaming?". For the second one, I for one do accept answers like that you aren´t interested in the games available on PC, consoles being more than enough for your limited game time and DRM issues. But the comfy couch argument for the topic actual question, seriously?

2. Many people says that the answers from PC gamers are arrogant, but aren´t you yourself a bit defensive? If you have hade bad experiences in the past, and people who actually plays on PC today says that it isn´t the same hazzle anymore, that Windows 7 has improved things, that you really don´t have to upgrade that often, and that PC gaming is just as much about indie gaming and specialised developers like Paradox that it is about WoW and graphical showcases, aren´t that things worth listening to and thinking about?

 

[Dr.Palutena]

well as of now

1) finding the time when i'll have 600 dollars to spend on a decent pc as prescribed by the build a pc thread.

2) finding a time when i'd want to spend 600 dollars(once acquiring it) on a pc versus buying games for the systems i already have/ a Ngp/ a Wii 2

 

[Takamura-San]

This is exactly what I want. I'd definitely buy a "Steambox".

I rather have Steam OS than Steambox.

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

Moreover, the specific example of being able to "pop in a PS1 game and play it on PS3" is funny, because you can pop in a PS1 game and play it on PC

Yeah by using an archaic peace of shit emulator not to mention being somewhat illegal since you have to download the Bios for it to work, not really convenient.

 

[CecilRousso]

I myself wouldn´t want a "Steambox". That would mean that I would miss out on Minecraft, classic gaming on GoG, etc. PC gaming is about choice.

 

[TheExodu5]

This gen?

(Also FF7 and 8 ran like ASS on PC)

FF7 ran at console speeds with a measly Voodoo 1.

 

[nel e nel]

Because there are a dearth of good games/ports for Mac

 

[scy]

PC gamers may seem arrogant but the fact is the large majority of us own a console as well and are informed in both areas.

Console only owners more often than not (and proven by this thread yet again) are not as informed about PC gaming and as such make a lot of assumptions and over exaggerations.

Don't get me wrong though, a lot of you have very valid and sensible reasons to not game on PC but there are a lot of posts here that make my head hurt.

Basically; some of the "anti"-PC sentiments really seem outdated or just flat out wrong/incorrect. Quite a few I agree with them as possibly being problems but many of the others? Oh lord.

Though, I will say that I prefer dual sticks to KB+M more so these days. Yes, KB+M is so much better and precise but I actually have grown to like the dual stick scheme. There's some blasphemy in that but it's grown on me.

Plus, harder to aim so +1 difficulty.

Not impossible, but it is more difficult with little payoff. I'm fine playing LA Noire on my couch without having to do any clever wiring, buy new equipment, or have to deal with drivers and all that jazz. Not to mention LA Noire isn't on PC.

How is it "little payoff" if one of the primary factors against PC gaming for some people is the lack of a comfy couch gaming?

 

[TheSeks]

Yeah by using an archaic peace of shit emulator not to mention being somewhat illegal since you have to download the Bios for it to work, not really convenient.

Neither is WAITING FOR FUCKING EINHANDER TO COME TO THE US PSN STORE. JESUS CHRIST SQUARE/SONY IT'S BEEN ON THE JAPANESE STORE FOR FOUR YEARS NOW. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE HOLD UP!?

*sees Einhander disc next to him*

OH WAIT!

*pops it in and plays it on PC with an emulator*