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[Opiate]

Some of us don't want to put in the effort. We don't want to do research on what games support what, or whether disabling shadows will double the framerate. Maybe we'd rather spend time reading reviews of the gameplay than figuring out whether we should enable 2x or 4x anti-aliasing or just what the hell trilinear filtering is. Those are advanced settings yes, but that's standard for the hardcore PC gamer, on GAF and elsewhere. Whether you want to or need to do this depends upon the game and your hardware - there are no one size fits all solutions in the PC world.

Right, again, you're essentially touting the ease of use of consoles. And I agree, they are easier to use. And I agree, this is a perfectly valid reason for preferring them.

But that strikes me as a clearly and obviously "casual" value. It's precisely why the Wii is so popular, for example: it's even easier to use than the PS3/360 are. If the terms "casual" and "hardcore" have any meaning whatsoever, then one of the first things we'd have to say is that casuals prefer things which are easier to use (iPhones, Wiis, portables) while "hardcore" gamers are willing to put up with slightly more expensive and complex machines to afford them better technology and flexibility.

 

[low-G]

I am not console-only, but if I were it'd be the lack of games that are exclusive to PC that I really want to play. Only because I own a PC do I buy the PC versions of games like Portal 2 or Crysis 2, but that wouldn't be a big deal if I couldn't afford a PC.

 

[Freshmaker]

Right, again, you're essentially touting the ease of use of consoles. And I agree, they are easier to use. And I agree, this is a perfectly valid reason for preferring them.

But that strikes me as a clearly and obviously "casual" value. It's precisely why the Wii is so popular, for example: it's even easier to use than the PS3/360 are. If the terms "casual" and "hardcore" have any meaning whatsoever, then one of the first things we'd have to say is that casuals prefer things which are easier to use (iPhones, Wiis, portables) while "hardcore" gamers are willing to put up with slightly more expensive and complex machines to afford them better technology and flexibility.

Given all the wailing and weeping over waggle, I'd have guessed that people consider the Wii harder to use.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Just out of curiousity, what is it about KB/M that turns people off?

Since going PC, one of my favorite things about it is the KB/M controls. No more horrible radial menus or dragging a thumbstick to aim or having auto-aim do it for me, I love it. It feels like it invalidates all of the limitations I had to deal with as a console gamer, when it comes to controls. Aside from platformers (barring VVVVVV) and racing games, it's probably my favorite control set up.

I love K/M for FPS/RTS/flash games but it's just really uncomfortable compared to a pad. I don't have a gaming mouse so, for instance, when I play TF2 switching weapons is either done by scrolling or hitting the numbers on my keyboard. While my accuracy and speed are certainly higher because of KB/M I have died more than a handful of times because I wasn't quick enough with my weapon switch.

Also, pressing shift or left control is not comfortable at all.

 

[Snuggles]

It seems a little curious to me that this kind of stuff is endlessly debated in PC gaming threads, but then you get into one of these console versus PC threads and all of the sudden, PC gaming is as simple or simpler than consoles.

PC gaming certainly is not simple as or simpler than consoles, but I think that is just a matter of some of us over compensating in response to those who claim PC gaming is a series of headaches and battles with driver compatibility, which in my case, it simply is not.

It does at times require effort on your part, but in the end, that effort pays off. Through all the blood, sweat, and tears, you become empowered over your hardware in a way that is simply not possible with a console.

 

[Opiate]

Given all the wailing and weeping over waggle, I'd have guessed that people consider the Wii harder to use.

Really? The whole selling point of the system was that it was far more intuitive. We've seen babies playing it, moms playing it, etc. And those aren't just marketing ploys: I've seen it with my own eyes. It is definitely easier to understand the Wii for most people.

 

[Red]

I love K/M for FPS/RTS/flash games but it's just really uncomfortable compared to a pad. I don't have a gaming mouse so, for instance, when I play TF2 switching weapons is either done by scrolling or hitting the numbers on my keyboard. While my accuracy and speed are certainly higher because of KB/M I have died more than a handful of times because I wasn't quick enough with my weapon switch.

Also, pressing shift or left control is not comfortable at all.

Disagree! I use a 360 pad for many PC games, but I usually prefer using ctrl or shift for crouch-heavy games. I tend to put pressure on the sticks of a gamepad, which causes me to erroneously zoom or crouch. Don't have that problem on PC, and find using my pinky to hit shift or ctrl very comfortable. It sits there naturally with a WASD config anyway.

 

[Yuripaw]

The weird thing that prevents me from playing games on my PC is I'm too busy always wanting to do other stuff on my PC. I own a lot of PC games, but I never seem to play em. I always want to do something specific on my PC like browse gaf, chat on AIM, and just do other random shit.

But in order to play a PC game, I have to cut myself off from all the random stuff that I do while I multitask playing a console game. Sitting here at my PC, I can play a console game on my TV, and mess around on my PC, but if I play a PC game, I gotta fill up the screen with that, have my computer maybe not run as fast because I got a game using up resources.

I've even tried hooking up multiple monitors to see if that would help me play more PC games, but nope...not enough games do that cool feature starcraft 2 does, like fullscreen borderless windowed mode.

The only game I've ever really managed to juggle on my PC while doing other tasks is final fantasy XI, but I feel like I can't do that with a lot of other PC games like FPSs, because I'd want those games to be full screen, and look cool on my screen.

 

[HK-47]

Really? The whole selling point of the system was that it was far more intuitive. We've seen babies playing it, moms playing it, etc. And those aren't just marketing ploys: I've seen it with my own eyes. It is definitely easier to understand the Wii for most people.

Well I say that eye witness accounts are the lowest form of evidence.

What now?

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

Fun and mature discussion

The funny thing is that I think you can be an enthusiast for intuitive and well designed user experiences/interfaces, or rather, by your wording, a "hardcore casual."

This is actually a major reason why *I* cannot sustain as a PC gamer, even though I do really enjoy the way a maxed out PC game looks on my TV for example, the UX sends bugs crawling up my spine. So my specific set of priorities actively steer me away from those sorts of experiences.

 

[Freshmaker]

Really? The whole selling point of the system was that it was far more intuitive. We've seen babies playing it, moms playing it, etc. And those aren't just marketing ploys: I've seen it with my own eyes. It is definitely easier to understand the Wii for most people.

Yes, but the hardcore among us hate motion gaming as gaming's supposed to be a "lazy activity" making the interface harder for them to use. (Too much time on the couch and/or computer chair'll do that.)

 

[surly]

I put together a gaming PC back when the 8800GT was near the top end for graphics cards, but I hardly used it for gaming in the end.

Some of that is down to my friends gaming on consoles instead of the PC. Some game on PC, but they have consoles as well, but overall I have a much larger friends list on consoles. Some of it is down to the location of my PC. I only have one and it's in a bedroom connected to a 22" monitor. I appreciate graphics, but I don't care enough to buy another PC and put it in the living room and I don't want to put my only PC in there or keep moving it from room to room. Cost is also a factor.

I guess in the end, I just don't really care all that much about graphics over the things I've mentioned once graphics are at a certain level.

But in a forum where we constantly see people obsess over tiny differences in graphical fidelity between multiplatform versions, it's really strange to see many of those same people ignore the platform with the best graphics and technology, the PC.

Some of that is down to fanboyism. Some of it is down to multi-console owners wanting the version that performs the best on the hardware they own. You say that there are valid reasons for choosing consoles over a PC such as ease of use, price and convenience, but just because someone went with a console for those reasons does not mean that they don't care about graphics at all. They just don't put graphics at, or near, the top of the list above other things. If you own a 360 and PS3 and someone says "Bayonetta has better graphics and performance on 360" then of course that's going to influence many peoples' decisions on which version to buy.

 

[TheExodu5]

Also, pressing shift or left control is not comfortable at all.

It's far more comfortable then pressing down the left or right analog sticks.

 

[beast786]

Given all the wailing and weeping over waggle, I'd have guessed that people consider the Wii harder to use.

you waggle like you would be doing a natural motion. there is almost no learning curve to adjust. exactly the reason it wa a hit in casual market. same wih kinect.

 

[bangai-o]

because i support buy/rent, sell, trade

 

[Johnny2Bags]

Really? The whole selling point of the system was that it was far more intuitive. We've seen babies playing it, moms playing it, etc. And those aren't just marketing ploys: I've seen it with my own eyes. It is definitely easier to understand the Wii for most people.

Clearly you are correct, However I believe he was making a funny? I chuckled at least...

And yes, to elaborate on your above post: Certain people are very afraid of being called casual gamers for apparently imaginary reasons....

I hate the Label system in place myself, but if I were honestly forced to somewhat form an opinion on what consisted of Casual Vs. Hardcore, Those without PCs would be CLEARLY the casual audience... I love consoles as much as the next gaffer, but accepting a game that runs better on another machine that you can use your controller on and hook up to your TV and play on your couch if you invest an ounce of time or interest would have to form the definition of casual?

But be careful pushing that term on others, as they have an irrational fear of it for some reason...

 

[Freshmaker]

you waggle like you would be doing a natural motion. there is almost no learning curve to adjust. exactly the reason it wa a hit in casual market. same wih kinect.

Yeah, but you have to keep doing it. For extended periods of time.

 

[Vyer]

I have never really liked using the 'harcore' term when debating this topic, personally: I, for example, don't consider someone who only games on one system and ignores everything else as 'harcore'. There are missing a lot, ranging from genres to the 'experience', that all falls under the definition of gaming.

And yet, these folks may still try to call themselves 'hardcore'; laughing at handhelds or the Wii or whatever because they only play ___ games on the _____ system/PC.

As such, because that term holds different definitions depending on the person, I think trying to tie one of these choices as the choice of the 'hardcore' is tough to do.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

It's far more comfortable then pressing down the left or right analog sticks.

I'd say both are uncomfortable.

PC gaming certainly is not simple as or simpler than consoles, but I think that is just a matter of some of us over compensating in response to those who claim PC gaming is a series of headaches and battles with driver compatibility, which in my case, it simply is not.

It does at times require effort on your part, but in the end, that effort pays off. Through all the blood, sweat, and tears, you become empowered over your hardware in a way that is simply not possible with a console.

More time, more effort more work. I mean what are we even arguing about anymore?

True, there have been some erroneous claims in this thread but why dwell on them? There are still several valid reasons why people stay on consoles.

In terms of the hardcore/casual nonsense, I'm just wondering, why bring that into this discussion? I appreciate you (sort of) defining your terms, Opiate, but we all know that "casual" is used as a pejorative on these boards (and around the net) so I don't see the need to bring it up. It would probably be better to just make the argument without using those words at all.

 

[Snuggles]

More time, more effort more work. I mean what are we even arguing about anymore?

Well, I did specifically say "at times". Most of the time, I buy a game on Steam, and I play it. I don't have to fiddle or struggle with anything, I just play the damn game.

But again, I don't claim that there aren't problems that arise with PC gaming, but in the end I feel that it's all worth it to play the game in the best possible way.

 

[AgentOtaku]

I'll ask again, why can't you stand KB/M anymore?

Just not comfortable. Believe me, I've tried to make it comfortable (gaming keypad, ergo chair, etc.), but just doesn't work for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with small burst sessions (Black Ops, Left 4 Dead), but extended play is just not something i'm up for at this point. Of course, there's other things like preference for analog movement, buttons/triggers being more "fun/satisfying," etc.

I won't lie though, playing Deus Ex via KB/Mouse still puts a grin on my face so props to Eidos Montreal for their efforts with Human Revolution.

 

[Opiate]

Well I say that eye witness accounts are the lowest form of evidence.

What now?

Absolutely, I'm not a fan of them either. I'm just not sure we can really do any better in this particular case.

The problem arises from the fact that we have no way to objectively measure "intuitiveness" or "ease of use."

It's like measuring a book's intellectual sophistication. Can we produce a specific, objective metric which proves that Brothers Karamazov is a more intellectually sophisticated piece of literature than is, say Spiderman? No, we cannot.

But that doesn't mean there isn't a difference between the two. I use those extreme examples because I think virtually everyone would agree that there clearly is a difference, we just can't measure it.

And so we're left with very little objective evidence outside of anecdote, which is, I agree, the weakest possible form that still technically qualifies as "objective."

 

[AgentOtaku]

It's far more comfortable then pressing down the left or right analog sticks.

That's why I remap that shit ASAP when the title allows it (bless you Insomniac Games!) ..usually to B/O ala CoD.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

I own most consoles.. And to be honest I wish that someday PC gaming would be as easy as picking up a disk (so long as your PC isn't just some dusty heap) and running it!

Same reason I play the somewhat childish but damn fun COD games on my 360... there's a huge user base, and most of my friends can be found on at night.

Guess it depends on many things ... haha to be vague.

 

[cartman414]

As was just posted, the trouble with playing on the couch on the TV is that you tie it up. I remember missing a few shows here and there like that. (These days, I split the difference via picture in picture.)

Another metric of hardcore vs. casual depends on the breadth of a person's interest or knowledge of gaming, mainly whether they follow mostly big hype games (whether they be high profile AAA games like Call of Duty or casual games like Angry Birds) or they also follow the more niche titles.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I'd say that "almost all the games I want to play is on consoles/handheld" is a pretty valid reason.

I disagree. You don't know what games you want until you actually jump into the platform. When I first jumped into PC, I didn't think I'd end up playing a whole host of games that were at the time foreign to me. But here I am.

 

[Game Guru]

Right, again, you're essentially touting the ease of use of consoles. And I agree, they are easier to use. And I agree, this is a perfectly valid reason for preferring them.

But that strikes me as a clearly and obviously "casual" value. It's precisely why the Wii is so popular, for example: it's even easier to use than the PS3/360 are. If the terms "casual" and "hardcore" have any meaning whatsoever, then one of the first things we'd have to say is that casuals prefer things which are easier to use (iPhones, Wiis, portables) while "hardcore" gamers are willing to put up with slightly more expensive and complex machines to afford them better technology and flexibility.

I think the problem is with the whole casual/hardcore dichotomy. Most people on this board believe that there is only two options when in fact it works more like a sliding scale that actually differs with genre.

 

[NullPointer]

PC gaming certainly is not simple as or simpler than consoles, but I think that is just a matter of some of us over compensating in response to those who claim PC gaming is a series of headaches and battles with driver compatibility, which in my case, it simply is not.

It does at times require effort on your part, but in the end, that effort pays off. Through all the blood, sweat, and tears, you become empowered over your hardware in a way that is simply not possible with a console.

I believe it, both of your points, and I'm definitely willing to give it a shot. If I recant my previous console ways and join the cult then I guess you guys are right ;P

Even still, I'll be attempting to replicate the console experience with a PC, only with added options. So I don't think it likely that I'll become a PC purist.

@Opiate: Funny enough I would consider myself a hardcore gamer, not as a badge of honor or something to defend, but as a fitting description. I'm no World of Warcraft poop-socker, nor will games ever keep me from going out, but I'm definitely an enthusiast who absolutely loves the medium, keeps up with all the inside baseball stuff, and puts many hours a week into games.

I just like being very comfortable while I'm doing it, and value simplicity above power in all aspects of my life, not just games or hardware. PCs were the only game in town, and now consoles have risen up, with portables trying to stake their claim to the future. Neither platform is hardcore or casual imho, but tailored to different audiences and predilections.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Most of my PC gaming time is spent on console/arcade emulators. *shrug*

Oh yeah, older cRPGs and FPS games too.

 

[Red]

I disagree. You don't know what games you want until you actually jump into the platform. When I first jumped into PC, I didn't think I'd end up playing a whole host of games that were at the time foreign to me. But here I am.

But is that a strong enough possibility to warrant a +$500 purchase?

 

[Dreamgazer]

I own most consoles.. And to be honest I wish that someday PC gaming would be as easy as picking up a disk (so long as your PC isn't just some dusty heap) and running it!

Same reason I play the somewhat childish but damn fun COD games on my 360... there's a huge user base, and most of my friends can be found on at night.

Guess it depends on many things ... haha to be vague.

As mentioned earlier, I just switch around whenever.
I abandoned PC when JRPG on PC died.
I largely split between consoles and handhelds JRPGs for now
and I'll go back to PC when BF3 comes out.

Then when BF 3 gets boring I'll just abandon the master race again.

Still not sure why people think they must stick to one race or another.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I own most consoles.. And to be honest I wish that someday PC gaming would be as easy as picking up a disk (so long as your PC isn't just some dusty heap) and running it!

Same reason I play the somewhat childish but damn fun COD games on my 360... there's a huge user base, and most of my friends can be found on at night.

Guess it depends on many things ... haha to be vague.

 

[Snuggles]

I just like being very comfortable while I'm doing it, and value simplicity above power in all aspects of my life, not just games or hardware. PCs were the only game in town, and now consoles have risen up, with portables trying to stake their claim to the future. Neither platform is hardcore or casual imho, but tailored to different audiences and predilections.

I think you'll feel this way once you get on board.

My PC nook is pretty much my sanctuary. At the end of a long day of work, or whatever, nothing feels better than to sit down in front of my PC, strap on my headphones and dive in to some awesome games.

so good

 

[Secks4Food]

because i support buy/rent, sell, trade

You'd be hard pressed to find a more pro consumer/overall cheap ass than me. Almost every console game I've owned this gen was acquired on an online trading site or a Bargain bin of some sort. Be that as it may, when games go to 80% off on Steam sales, they're impossible to ignore. Most of the time, the game costs less than the difference between buying and reselling a console game, or even less than the postage I had to pay to trade games. If you have any regard for your wallet, Steam provides the most value this side of the app store.

 

[surly]

I disagree. You don't know what games you want until you actually jump into the platform.

I was kind of the opposite. It's the games that make me buy platforms in the first place. I got caught up in Wii hype and bought one of those on launch day, but I bought a 360 and later, a PS3, because they had games that I wanted to play. When I was considering buying a PS3, for example, I already had a list of disc based and downloadable games for it that I would buy when I got one, and it was because that list reached a certain size that I bought one in the first place.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

LOL I know man read most of my other posts in the thread... I'm a die hard PC advocate... and love it...

I was just trying to bring a balance to the discussion by stating that I also love certain games on console for various reasons...

Steam is absolutely untouched and in a place of it's own... I'm constantly excited about where it's going and what new features gabe will grace us with!

 

[IchigoSharingan]

But is that a strong enough possibility to warrant a +$500 purchase?

Oh fuck yes. You can downgrade the risk factor of the possibility by just looking up all the games on the platform (such as top rated 20 for a given year), if you are really worried. I am absolutely blown away at the PC offerings every year. There is not enough time.

Fuck...my Steam backlog + my D2D backlog + console games + blu ray movies. Sooo much good stuff.

 

[Slappers Only]

What keeps me from PC gaming: the fact that, inevitably, someone will quickly come back at me with some breathy retort any time I say that I don't ever want to have to read anything to investigate whether I will be able to play a game I've paid for.

Steam, antiquated argument, et cetera. Whatever.

 

[Secks4Food]

I was kind of the opposite. It's the games that make me buy platforms in the first place. I got caught up in Wii hype and bought one of those on launch day, but I bought a 360 and later, a PS3, because they had games that I wanted to play. When I was considering buying a PS3, for example, I already had a list of disc based and downloadable games for it that I would buy when I got one, and it was because that list reached a certain size that I bought one in the first place.

It can be the same way with PC, it just requires a bit more research. It's kind of amazing how many great PC exclusives there are and how so many of them are unknown to most folks.

 

[Red]

Oh fuck yes. You can downgrade the risk factor of the possibility by just looking up all the games on the platform (such as top rated 20 for a given year), if you are really worried. I am absolutely blown away at the PC offerings every year. There is not enough time.

Fuck...my Steam backlog + my D2D backlog + console games + blu ray movies. Sooo much good stuff.

If you are looking at a list of games, you are basing your decision on what the platform offers. Which isn't what you were implying before.

 

[lowrider007]

I think the problem is with the whole casual/hardcore dichotomy. Most people on this board believe that there is only two options when in fact it works more like a sliding scale that actually differs with genre.

Exactly, like I said on the previous page, it's typical internet human behaviour, people talking and arguing in absolutes, the middle ground is lost, 'your either with me or against me', nobody is willing to make any concessions, their is severe lack of understanding other peoples points of view due to their own personal preferences clouding their reasoning and objectivity, it's so sad, and as I said earlier this has a lot to do with a 'class system' that is very apparent in gaming enthusiasts forums such as these.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

If you are looking at a list of games, you are basing your decision on what the platform offers. Which isn't what you were implying before.

Honestly, when I jumped into PC, it was over one game. Call of Duty United Offensive. I played the absolute hell out of that for years before really jumping into anything else. I invested into new rigs just to play that game competitively.

Obviously it wouldn't be wise to recommend the same to another person, which is why I'm saying if you are on the fence of spending $500+ on a PC, then you can feel easier on it by being aware of all the great games on it.

I also bought a PS3 not really knowing what kinds of games it offered, and whether or not I would enjoy them. Thankfully, there's plenty on that system as well.

 

[surly]

It can be the same way with PC, it just requires a bit more research. It's kind of amazing how many great PC exclusives there are and how so many of them are unknown to most folks.

Oh, I know man. I have a gaming PC, albeit a rather outdated one. I was just speaking generally to the comment that you buy the platform first, then see what games it offers. The only exception to that for me is if I think a console is compelling enough to buy on launch day, otherwise, as a gaming enthusiast that follows what games are coming out on all platforms, I buy hardware because of the game selection.

 

[GillianSeed79]

I think the main thing is ease of use. I think some PC gamers think all console gamers are dullards who can't figure out how to plug in an hdmi cable to their PC. That's not the problem. The difference between the two is patience and impatience. With a console game it's pop in and play. With a PC game I need to know if 2x or 4x some random term like MSLAA (I just made that up) is going to affect whether the game will run at 30 fps. It's intimidating.

 

[Maaseru]

I love both experiences, consoles and PC. There are exclusive games that make it worthwhile every time. And sometimes PC games like Fallout, Oblivion offer a lot more extra content not available for consoles.

The fear with ease of use? Well in my experience most of the PC games kinda auto-detect the best settings for your system or at least I haven't had much trouble with the games I've decided to play.Also for me playing games like Bioshock 2 , Arkham Asylum and specially Mass Effect 2 in 3D made it a really great experience. I just ordered a new video card and I'm gonna OC my rig to play Witcher 2 it look like nothing we could see on the consoles.

I know PC gaming is more expensive, but imagine it like this there are many people that own cars but know jack shit about repairing them. They just take it to the shop. Some owners really get into it and figure it out themselves. PC gaming is just like this putting a lot more effort and money into gaming so that you can get a better looking better performing experience most of the time.

With consoles they just give a product and tell you how to play it. You get better experiences in some areas, but the choices you can make are limited to the experience; unless you go that extra mile to get the better of it and we know how they feel about it.

PS Have there been any cases of modding a console and OC its components? Just wondering , maybe you could get a better performance. I don't know enough maybe its stupid.

 

[Dreamgazer]

I think the main thing is ease of use. I think some PC gamers think all console gamers are dullards who can't figure out how to plug in an hdmi cable to their PC. That's not the problem. The difference between the two is patience and impatience. With a console game it's pop in and play. With a PC game I need to know if 2x or 4x some random term like MSLAA (I just made that up) is going to affect whether the game will run at 30 fps. It's intimidating.

There are pc gamers who don't care about max graphics you know...(or SSDs *shocK*)

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I think the main thing is ease of use. I think some PC gamers think all console gamers are dullards who can't figure out how to plug in an hdmi cable to their PC. That's not the problem. The difference between the two is patience and impatience. With a console game it's pop in and play. With a PC game I need to know if 2x or 4x some random term like MSLAA (I just made that up) is going to affect whether the game will run at 30 fps. It's intimidating.

It's not intimidating. If you know what the term means, it is highly probable you know how it will affect your system. And if you know how it will affect your system, it is also reasonable to assume you actually know enough about the components to get a 'feel' for how many FPS you will get. It's all intuitive after a little while.

And if you're a PC gamer, obviously you're partially in it to see how much performance you can crank out while sacrificing FPS. It's fun. It's always a pleasure to know the hardware you invest in can still crank out more juice and oomph just by your very desire.

There are pc gamers who don't care about max graphics you know...(or SSDs *shocK*)

very true. The Crysis config scene is ablaze with that very notion.

 

[NullPointer]

However (Null are you listening?) in keeping with my cocaine analogy, I recently hooked up my Crossfire rig through HDMI to my new 50 inch plasma tv, and using the Xbox 360 controller played the witcher 2 in all it's glory... Absolutely astounding... It's like finding out I can get free cocaine for life =-) sure opened my eyes!

Alright, this cracked me up. I'll be happy if my own PC experiences are half as nice as this. But even console games today, as weak the hardware may be in comparison to PCs still manage to blow me away, and haven't let up. Red Dead, Uncharted 2, and Assassins Creed are just gorgeous and I've never played them and thought that I needed them to be higher rez.

(although doubling the framerate would be nice, assuming I could keep it locked without getting a degree in graphics acceleration tech. If there's *anything* I miss from the PC days, its not the texture quality or mods, its the framerate.)

My girlfriend isn't too happy about not being able to watch shows while I game however and obviously we have a healthy compromise... Which brings me back to gaming being a hobby and values being put elsewhere both monetary and valuable time.

That's where I've lucked out. Last time we had this thread I had a different apartment, with my living room a good 30 feet away from my home office. I "simplified" things now and my living room and office shared the same room, with the TV just feet away from my PC.

My body is ready. (I still need cords though).

I'm pretty sure me and Opiate had a very similar conversation then too. Deja Vu ;P

 

[AgentOtaku]

whoops!

 

[IchigoSharingan]

whoops!

I think you're in the wrong burlesque house.