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[megalowho]

While in class yesterday, we were discussing people who have psychotic mental illnesses and commit serious crimes against others while 'under the influence'. The general consensus was: "at least we don't live in America where they'd be shot dead on sight".

A lot of your countrymen and living like animals.

This is a pretty insulting and ignorant generalization. While it may be easy from afar to assume every inflammatory news piece you see is representative of the norm, my personal experiences have shown me that police can be extremely sensitive and go above and beyond when dealing with cases of mental illness. They just don't get a spotlight shone on them.

No relation to this case really, which seems like a pretty ugly display of excessive force even if the kid was being a shit. Still doesn't give your class the right to make smug assumptions about how the mentally ill are treated.

 

[Mr. X]

All this for not participating in math? I guess saying is part of the grade isn't enough so we have to threaten cops on kids. Fuck the teacher too.

 

[stump sock]

The US's school to prison pipeline is out of control.

there's a school not far from where I used to live that is almost literally a prison school. kids that have faced a lot of disciplinary action in regular schools might get reassigned there, I knew a couple kids growing up who found their way in. the facility was literally fenced in/barbed wire.

it was pretty regularly used as a threat by school administration to keep people in line.

training prison. :\

 

[Slayven]

Is there any here who will now defend this incident with additional evidence?
Let us review.

1. The officer, prior to this incident, has had a sullied track record of police incidents.

2. The officer, in question, has a weight, height, age, physical (power lifting), and supposedly experience (police training) advantage over the 17 year 5 ft' 6 teenage girl.

3. Prior to the altercation, the teenager in question received an infraction for not speaking up in class, a normal action, and one that ought not to incur the wrath of a teacher, much less an administrator or police officer.

4. In the few minutes before the altercation, the police officer is shown to make lackluster attempts to persuade the girl to comply, despite having years of training.

5. During the altercation, the police officer uses his brute strength not to simply gently remove or even simply restrain her, but to flip her desk backward (slamming her back, neck, and skull onto the ground), and then fling her 3-6 feet across the floor where he places a good portion of his weight upon her in restraining her.

6. The police officer threatens to arrest her fellow classmates, essentially silencing dissent from his actions in a major way.

7. When one of her fellow peers becomes overcome with how unjust the arrest was, the police officer makes good on his claim and does indeed arrest her, despite no wrongdoing, and effectively (not essentially) silences dissent.

With the new facts added to the story, who here will still decide to say that the girl "got what was coming" and "should have complied" amongst other nonsense ramblings?

But she was no angel and didn't respect his authority.

 

[JDSN]

Is there any here who will now defend this incident with additional evidence?
Let us review.

1. The officer, prior to this incident, has had a sullied track record of police incidents.

2. The officer, in question, has a weight, height, age, physical (power lifting), and supposedly experience (police training) advantage over the 17 year 5 ft' 6 teenage girl.

3. Prior to the altercation, the teenager in question received an infraction for not speaking up in class, a normal action, and one that ought not to incur the wrath of a teacher, much less an administrator or police officer.

4. In the few minutes before the altercation, the police officer is shown to make lackluster attempts to persuade the girl to comply, despite having years of training.

5. During the altercation, the police officer uses his brute strength not to simply gently remove or even simply restrain her, but to flip her desk backward (slamming her back, neck, and skull onto the ground), and then fling her 3-6 feet across the floor where he places a good portion of his weight upon her in restraining her.

6. The police officer threatens to arrest her fellow classmates, essentially silencing dissent from his actions in a major way.

7. When one of her fellow peers becomes overcome with how unjust the arrest was, the police officer makes good on his claim and does indeed arrest her, despite no wrongdoing, and effectively (not essentially) silences dissent.

With the new facts added to the story, who here will still decide to say that the girl "got what was coming" and "should have complied" amongst other nonsense ramblings?

When you are in an epic quest to purge Outrage culture from society you might end up for totally unrelated reasons supporting shit cops, racist flags and systematic extermination of a group, but hey, you gotta break a few (black) eggs to make fuckery omelette.

 

[Messofanego]

This is a pretty insulting and ignorant generalization. While it may be easy from afar to assume every inflammatory news piece you see is representative of the norm, my personal experiences have shown me that police can be extremely sensitive and go above and beyond when dealing with cases of mental illness. They just don't get a spotlight shone on them.

No relation to this case really, which seems like a pretty ugly display of excessive force even if the kid was being a shit. Still doesn't give your class the right to make smug assumptions about how the mentally ill are treated.

Is it an ignorant generalisation when 1/4th of the 462 police shooting deaths in just this year of 2015 are people with mental health crises? I don't have a problem with generalising that USA police are bad at de-escalation even when a person has a weapon. Police come on the scene with guns drawn which only exacerbates the situation. USA police need to get more trained on crisis intervention and work with the community rather than build this psychological wall against citizens.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Is there any here who will now defend this incident with additional evidence?
Let us review.

1. The officer, prior to this incident, has had a sullied track record of police incidents.

2. The officer, in question, has a weight, height, age, physical (power lifting), and supposedly experience (police training) advantage over the 17 year 5 ft' 6 teenage girl.

3. Prior to the altercation, the teenager in question received an infraction for not speaking up in class, a normal action, and one that ought not to incur the wrath of a teacher, much less an administrator or police officer.

4. In the few minutes before the altercation, the police officer is shown to make lackluster attempts to persuade the girl to comply, despite having years of training.

5. During the altercation, the police officer uses his brute strength not to simply gently remove or even simply restrain her, but to flip her desk backward (slamming her back, neck, and skull onto the ground), and then fling her 3-6 feet across the floor where he places a good portion of his weight upon her in restraining her.

6. The police officer threatens to arrest her fellow classmates, essentially silencing dissent from his actions in a major way.

7. When one of her fellow peers becomes overcome with how unjust the arrest was, the police officer makes good on his claim and does indeed arrest her, despite no wrongdoing, and effectively (not essentially) silences dissent.

With the new facts added to the story, who here will still decide to say that the girl "got what was coming" and "should have complied" amongst other nonsense ramblings?

Plenty will..

 

[Beefy]

I see people are still defending this.

 

[Slayven]

When you are in an epic quest to purge Outrage culture from society you might end up for totally unrelated reasons supporting shit cops, racist flags and systematic extermination of a group, but hey, you gotta break a few (black) eggs to make fuckery omelette.

But the outrage and PC haters end up screaming the loudest with the silliest reasoning. I feel like I am the only one that sees the irony.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm sure if she was misbehaving her parents were called. Multiple times. Calling the police isn't the first thing a teacher does when trying to deal with a problem kid! I'm willing to bet that the teacher had exhausted every avenue of discipline before going to the police. Teachers don't want kids to be arrested (or beaten), contrary to what you may have believed when you were in school.

My problem with your response is that you're talking about something you have no experience or knowledge in, as though you have the answer. It's like if I started telling physicists how to do their job. I'd be laughed out of CERN.

Think before you speak.

Christ.

The only thing laughable is your response to a reasonable suggestion. You keep bringing up hypotheticals that don't apply here. The girl was sitting in her seat. She wasn't violent, as indicated by people that were in the class at the time and the video of her sitting there when Douchelord McSteroids engaged her.

I don't really understand why you're so upset by what I had to say, either. I don't know enough about the situation to blame the teacher or the administrator. I don't know if that was a reasonable response based on the student's "disruption" (which nobody has claimed has been physical or threatening, as of yet). The issue here is the cop who went way outside of the bounds of reasonable force.

I don't have an issue with teachers and I'm not attacking them. Calm down.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

But the outrage and PC haters end up screaming the loudest with the silliest reasoning. I feel like I am the only one that sees the irony.

Nah..it's seen..

 

[megalowho]

Is it an ignorant generalisation when 1/4th of the 462 police shooting deaths in just this year of 2015 are people with mental health crises? I don't have a problem with generalising that USA police are bad at de-escalation even when a person has a weapon. Police come on the scene with guns drawn which only exacerbates the situation. USA police need to get more trained on crisis intervention and work with the community rather than build this psychological wall against citizens.

Your statistic is a lot more understandable when the article clearly states that a vast majority were armed. When confronted with both mental illness and the capacity to commit violence, you're dealing with extremely complicated and sensitive situations that deserve to be evaluated on a case by case basis in order to learn how we can improve. I just mentioned a personal experience of police that did exactly what you are calling for regarding crisis intervention, yet you responded by justifying your right to generalize in the opposite direction.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Additional news is not shocking.

Defense force looks even dumber now with the new info, of course.

 

[JDSN]

Im guessing white feminist are mobilizing as we speak to support this girl.

Edit:

Disturbing Video Shows School Safety Officer Appearing to Assault Black Student Sitting in Desk

Appearing, eh? Unsurprising.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Im guessing white feminist are mobilizing as we speak to support this girl.

I don't think you need to be a feminist to see that the cop was acting out of line.

 

[ramparter]

I see people are still defending this.

Regardless of facts and arguments, some people will always defend because their whole life is based on false assumptions and facing the truth would tear their world apart.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Im guessing white feminist are mobilizing as we speak to support this girl.

lol..you killing me.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Douchelord McSteroids engaged her.

Wouldn't be surprised if the cops use combat language in their reports.

Non-compliant subject neutralized after not responding to repeated commands. Ten-four affirmative.

 

[andycapps]

Anyone got a link to the post where the new info was posted?

From the video I watched on this, looked like the girl needed detention at most. Cop seemed like he was on a power trip and was looking for an excuse to use force. I was disgusted when I saw the video.

 

[GK86]

Probably been posted already, but:

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...-officer-tackled-teen-phone-article-1.2412665

The FBI and U.S. Justice Department will investigate a South Carolina sheriff's deputy's brutal takedown of a high school school— an assault apparently prompted by the girl's refusal to hand over her phone.

Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said he requested the federal probe into the officer's use of force, which was captured in a viral video the sheriff called "disturbing."

They allow this dude near elementary kids?

Fields also patrols Lonnie B. Nelson Elementary School, only a mile from the high school where the assault occurred.

 

[LiK]

Where I'm from if a officer is called to remove you from a class room. You had your chance of nice outcome. Expect to get strong armed if you resist.

No sympathy from me.

you do know there's a difference between a criminal and a student who's merely misbehaving right? jesus

 

[GeordieMark]

That is shocking. US cops really need to work on their negotiation skills. I'm sure that could have been handled way more diplomatically.

 

[Giant Panda]

Flipping her desk backward like that could cause serious head or neck injuries. What the fuck, that officer could have permanently disabled her. I hope she is ok and the cop fired.

 

[Always-honest]

The cop was too rough, but that's not a bodyslam.

This. Be more exact. But he was rough, yes. I don't see why he thought this was needed.
What did she do exactly? Disturbe school, sure. but in what way?

 

[DonasaurusRex]

why is there never footage of what happened before that, why did a police officer have to even come to the school?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Im guessing white feminist are mobilizing as we speak to support this girl.
.

lmao.

 

[SonnyBoy]

I'm curious to hear from the teacher. I'd like to know if he regretted his actions during the altercation. I'd like to know if he wanted to call the officer off but was too afraid to do so.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Is there any here who will now defend this incident with additional evidence?
Let us review.

1. The officer, prior to this incident, has had a sullied track record of police incidents.

2. The officer, in question, has a weight, height, age, physical (power lifting), and supposedly experience (police training) advantage over the 17 year 5 ft' 6 teenage girl.

3. Prior to the altercation, the teenager in question received an infraction for not speaking up in class, a normal action, and one that ought not to incur the wrath of a teacher, much less an administrator or police officer.

4. In the few minutes before the altercation, the police officer is shown to make lackluster attempts to persuade the girl to comply, despite having years of training.

5. During the altercation, the police officer uses his brute strength not to simply gently remove or even simply restrain her, but to flip her desk backward (slamming her back, neck, and skull onto the ground), and then fling her 3-6 feet across the floor where he places a good portion of his weight upon her in restraining her.

6. The police officer threatens to arrest her fellow classmates, essentially silencing dissent from his actions in a major way.

7. When one of her fellow peers becomes overcome with how unjust the arrest was, the police officer makes good on his claim and does indeed arrest her, despite no wrongdoing, and effectively (not essentially) silences dissent.

With the new facts added to the story, who here will still decide to say that the girl "got what was coming" and "should have complied" amongst other nonsense ramblings?

But were you there bro? What about the things we didn't see?

Huh? Don't be so sure we have the full picture. Let's just wait for all the facts to come out.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

This. Be more exact. But he was rough, yes. I don't see why he thought this was needed.
What did she do exactly? Disturbe school, sure. but in what way?

"Disturbing school" while black.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Wasn't even disturbing the class. She actually did the complete opposite, she said she didn't want to participate/answer the math question.

When I went to Spring Valley (the school this occurred at), if someone didn't want to participate/answer a question teachers didn't call the police, they simply went on to the next person.

But hey, how dare she not answer that question, she needed that whooped! Cause authority!

 

[SigSig]

This. Be more exact. But he was rough, yes. I don't see why he thought this was needed.
What did she do exactly? Disturbe school, sure. but in what way?

why is there never footage of what happened before that, why did a police officer have to even come to the school?

I really hope you are both being facetious.
To begin with, you could read the summary quoted multiple times on this very page.

 

[stump sock]

you do know there's a difference between a criminal and a student who's merely misbehaving right? jesus

that difference is what the cop decides it is.

 

[Always-honest]

I really hope you are both being facetious.
To begin with, you could read the summary quoted multiple times on this very page.

No i read the first post (but it said "disturbing school" that doesn't say much.) and reacted to that. Sorry, didn't see the summaries.
Anyway, considering it's at a school it's ridiculous behaviour anyway (from the cop).
But i'll read through the thread.

Edit: for not speaking up in class???? Wuuuut?

 

[LiK]

that difference is what the cop decides it is.

clearly.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

SRO's in the carolinas have god complexes, and get away with whatever they want. When i was a sophomore, I had my head slammed into my bass amp in the band room without warning and then was handcuffed and dragged until I could stand up halfway out of the room. This SRO did the same shit to like 15 kids and only got punished after he got a 16 year old, his son's girlfriend, pregnant.

Wtf

 

[CadetMahoney]

Flipping her desk backward like that could cause serious head or neck injuries. What the fuck, that officer could have permanently disabled her.

I remember when I was a teen I was rocking back on my chair just a bit. Teacher gave some long ass lecture and story about safety and shit.

But no fucks given here. Something to think about if the cop/school clean gets away with it.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I really hope you are both being facetious.
To begin with, you could read the summary quoted multiple times on this very page.

we clearly want to know MORE that what was reported before we even come a conclusion about what happened. We clearly understand there was an officer in the room and a physical altercation ensued. We want to know why an officer was necessary instead of the child listening to their teacher.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I guess he did it for the free paid vacation. But yea, no excuse to get that violent. Call the parents, involve other people to talk to her.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I see the diet racists moved from the Kanye blackface thread to here now eh? Like the nomads of the desert of Stormfront.

 

[JDSN]

I see the diet racists moved from the Kanye blackface thread to here now eh? Like the nomads of the desert of Stormfront.

In my culture its customary when a cop judo throws a student, you americans are being too PC like that cartoon written by rich white guys said.

 

[Silver Arrows]

In my culture its customary when a cop judo throws a student, you americans are being too PC like that cartoon written by rich white guys said.

Haha, that's how to boil it down to it's bare essentials.

 

[Dicer]

Finally watched the clip, there was no call for that kind of action...

He could have disabled her for life with that shit, dude needs to be fired.

 

[Prototype]

Holy shit what kinda place do you live in when that shit goes down in a school and no one bats an eye.

.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Im guessing white feminist are mobilizing as we speak to support this girl.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Wow...that shit is pretty much the comment I would expect on the /r/news post on this on Reddit, not here. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[hiryu]

Man what a fucked up video. WTF is a cop even at that school in the first place. If not criminal activity occured why is he there. If a student is not listening you give them an F or have them suspended you don't call the cops. Fuck that teacher and fuck that cop.

 

[phanphare]

just watched

jesus fuck.....somebody tell me this guy doesn't have a job anymore

 

[Rembrandt]

we clearly want to know MORE that what was reported before we even come a conclusion about what happened. We clearly understand there was an officer in the room and a physical altercation ensued. We want to know why an officer was necessary instead of the child listening to their teacher.

that clip is all you need to come to a conclusion. from the evidence provided, she didn't deserve anywhere close to that. there is nothing she could have done before that clip to the start of filming that called for that.

i know you're thinking you're being "unbiased" and not "jumping to conclusions," but some things you can just take at face value without knowing everything that happened beforehand. you trying to be neutral comes off fake as fuck.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

that difference is what the cop decides it is.

Split-second decision bro.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

If the girl was disrupting class she is in the wrong and should be removed by security can't debate that
but how the officer enforced that......
its an utterly unjustifiable escalation, frankly I'm actually surprised he didn't have a gun drawn too

surely you demand they get up? if they don't you grab their arm and try to lift them? or drag them in the chair? you should not leap to flip them over in the chair and drag them by their limps out of a room! could have broken her spine and caused multiple injuries!