You haven't answered my question. Also, I was a C and D student back in high school does that put me on the "OK to body slam" list? Why are school grades the determining factor or even A determining factor?
Exactly. That's what I've been saying.
She could well have been armed. She could have spent twenty minutes cussing him out. She could have told him she would fuck him up. Let's just wait for all the facts.
Do many Americans have the opinion that if a cop asks you to do something, you have to do exactly as they say or face extreme consequences? I'm from England and if a cop asked me to do something I didn't want to do (unless I was breaking the law, obviously) I'd rightly tell them to get stuffed.
Wtf does here grades have to do with anything? Good god you fucking people kill me with this "no angel" shit. It doesn't matter, she has rights just like everyone else. And given this isnt a criminal or violent situation, why the fuck do you feel the need to characterize her in the first place like it has relevance.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
Future.. i hear what you are saying.. and I agree with some points. My problem (I have 2 kids) a 16 year old and younger girl. Kids are just as dangerous as adults in this day and age. Once you get to upper middle school and highschool... the kids are into some shit we couldnt even dream about when we (or at least I) was coming up.
It's nice that UK cops are willing to risk getting stabbed by some maniac, but I wouldn't expect anyone to risk their life so we can say some knife wielding psycho was subdued without gunfire.
Isn't that literally what you should expect from a police officer?
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
Read my posts above. Clearly I am saying that she refused to listen to her teacher and school official. The cop was called in. I dont know the whole story, and if it comes out that she is in the top of her class in terms of grades and she has never had a history of problems.. I would be the first to eat crow. However, I don't know the whole story, but to be honest ... there are a lot of people assuming things in this thread. None of us know the whole story.
They're also trained in subduing grown men with knives in a non-lethal fashion.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
So according to people a student should expect no rights or sympathy unless they are on the honor roll?
And you have kids? Oh my.If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
So according to people a student should expect no rights or sympathy unless they are on the honor roll?
I broke someone's arm in my class. I was removed in a far less aggressive way than this and not by a cop either.
It really speaks volumes about someone's character to defend this shit or to imply she had it coming by not doing what she was told.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
The police in the US tend to be repositories for power seekers and adrenaline junkies. Take that together with the powerful police unions, us-versus-them training, the unquestionable hero classification, and you get where we are now.NO UK officers are well trained, i dont think its much of a risk. in the so called US do the officers get trained properly? They just give them a uniform, badge and gun. Police are not expected to shoot anyone, if you cant handle the pressure, dont be a cop. UK policing is the way to go and even japanese policing according to the video
And you have kids? Oh my.
lol... you assume I am in highschool??? I am not, but my kid is. Her life was never in jeapordy in this particular situation. Now if something happened outside the class... that is a different story. From what I see... I see a troublemaker in class refusing to listen to the teacher and official. Refused to listen to the cop and do as she was asked to do. She got embarrased....her pride is the only thing that got hurt.
Again.. It was a bit on the violent side, but she should have listened to the cop....
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
It really irritates me when my profession does things like this that makes everybody else look bad, and then shrugs it off as though it's the criminals fault for being a criminal. As though that somehow justifies the excessive force. The whole "you broke the law so you deserve what you get" mentality makes me sick.
These are people with families that should be treated with respect. There are pain compliance techniques that would have been much better suited than how this situation was handled and looked infinitely better on video.
I arrest people everyday. In the 12 years I've been an officer, I've only had to fight with probably fewer than 10 people. I'm not a huge guy, average height and weight. What's my secret? Treat people how you would want your mother treated. Pretty fucking simple.
Sure I've had people resist. Sure I've had to use more force than I've wanted to a few times. Sometimes it's unavoidable. But 95% of the time there are better ways of handling things than being a bully and doing something just because you can.
Absolutely not (but most people already knew that). I can think of at least five different techniques that would make her stand up immediately with minimal effort by the officer. Another person said to try to deescalate her from fear. That's a great tool if you're good at that. Some officers aren't good at it at all. Fortunately, I have the gift of bullshitting with someone and developing an immediate rapport with them. I don't talk down to people.
"Mess with the bull and get the horns" is not how to properly police.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
Why are you cursing at me because my view is different than yours? No reason to hate me or say hateful things to me just because I don't agree with your opinion.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
You wouldn't consistently do that here, and this is coming from someone relatively educated regarding the law, who is not afraid to ask questions. I wouldn't comply blindly, but being a dick about it in this country would be a very, very dumb move.
As a public school employee, I hope you never come near children.
Why are you cursing at me because my view is different than yours? No reason to hate me or say hateful things to me just because I don't agree with your opinion.
Do many Americans have the opinion that if a cop asks you to do something, you have to do exactly as they say or face extreme consequences? I'm from England and if a cop asked me to do something I didn't want to do (unless I was breaking the law, obviously) I'd rightly tell them to get stuffed.
If you disrupted class and were asked to leave and refused by the teacher, and official and a cop.. then I would say yes.... you might be on the bodyslam list.
To anyone claiming that she was to blame, or that the cop had no other choice, or whatever. Here's what happened in my high school during the numerous times I saw kids on their phones, ignoring class.
1. Teacher tells student to put the phone away.
2. If the student ignores the request, the teacher threatens to write the student up.
3. If the student continues to refuse, the teacher writes the student up, then continues class. The next day, the student is suspended.
Look at that! An alternative! Sure, it involves letting an "inferior" disobey and order, which I know is tough on ones ego, but it also involves no violence and no class disturbances. It's a tough choice, though, right?
The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
Yeah, my school regularly had fights and they were handled more gracefully than this.I broke someone's arm in my class. I was removed in a far less aggressive way than this and not by a cop either.
It really speaks volumes about someone's character to defend this shit or to imply she had it coming by not doing what she was told.
The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
Future.. i hear what you are saying.. and I agree with some points. My problem (I have 2 kids) a 16 year old and younger girl. Kids are just as dangerous as adults in this day and age. Once you get to upper middle school and highschool... the kids are into some shit we couldnt even dream about when we (or at least I) was coming up.
She was no angel, not the full story guys, just doing his job, she deserved it for not obeying...
MrPressStart going for the full checklist here.
If the student is audibly interrupting, you might also choose to move the rest of the class to another location to continue. There are de-escalation techniques and plenty of ways to handle disruptive students. Proper training gives you the tools to do so. There will always be students that disrupt, it is part of the teacher's job.The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
Do many Americans have the opinion that if a cop asks you to do something, you have to do exactly as they say or face extreme consequences? I'm from England and if a cop asked me to do something I didn't want to do (unless I was breaking the law, obviously) I'd rightly tell them to get stuffed.
Clicking around on your phone is not "interrupting class". It's annoying but it's not a learning interruption. Calling a cop to body slam her? That's an interruption.
I wouldn't dream of even speaking to an American cop if I could get away with it. I value my life too much. Just from the outside looking in, it appears that you are forced to blindly follow what a cop says regardless of whether they are in the right or not. Thus creating a society where it's acceptable to treat humans like dirt. 'Oh well they didn't do what the cop said' drives me nuts as an excuse for excess force.
Bodyslamming children for being prideful. Shake my fucking head.
The teacher lets the student continue to interrupt the class for the duration of the period?
Why are you cursing at me because my view is different than yours? No reason to hate me or say hateful things to me just because I don't agree with your opinion.
It's really the "bodyslamming children" part that should irk you. Not what comes after.Prideful or disruptive? Prideful or disrespectful?
You're disgusting as hell.
