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[Lionheart1337]

Only a woman would lash out on a cop like that. That was a warning slap. That was a "Ok this is going to get real ugly if you persist" slap. When it comes to cops, you just gotta take the dick in the ass. They were probably waiting for everyone in the store to white knight them.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Cop must be a fan of Sean Connery.

 

[heliosRAzi]

It's best not to ask what goes on in the mind of dumb folk.

I try not to. I deal with too many of them at work.

I've read just read the summary and most of the thread. If I were him, I probably wouldn't have punched her, but we have the luxury of seeing this in hindsight and in our homes in peace.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Just curious, what brings you to this conclusion? Let me spell this out for you in easy to understand terms.
Questioning arrest = calmly asking why your being arrested
Resisting arrest = I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T DO NOTHING!

If some cop was man-handling me and would not tell me why, you bet your ass I would be noticeably upset.

Act calmly and not yelling and screaming and you probably won't get thrown on the floor. Furthermore, if you see someone else getting arrested, then don't fucking get involved at all. Pretty simple.

Act calmly when a man much bigger than you lunges at you and shakes you.

 

[The Faceless Master]

One of my roomates when I lived on Rez pissed in front of a pizza & poutine restaurant in hull, quebec.

All he got was a ticket for $200.

No cop smacking his ass down....

A few girls just chilling in a IHOP deserve to be brutally manhandled for what reason?

Questioning arrest = Resisting arrest.

And apparently there is nothing wrong with a Cop assaulting another human being because they're in uniform.

:/

I guess I deserve one. Cause I think the Cop in this video is dogshit.

i'm no cop defender, but pulling away from a cop in a diner booth is resisting arrest. was the arrest legitimate and warranted? i have no idea, as the videos start way too late for me to judge, but she was resisting, that much is clear. and punching a cop isn't chillin'.

 

[Byakuya769]

Just curious, what brings you to this conclusion? Let me spell this out for you in easy to understand terms.

Questioning arrest = calmly asking why your being arrested

Resisting arrest = I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T DO NOTHING!

Act calmly and not yelling and screaming and you probably won't get thrown on the floor. Furthermore, if you see someone else getting arrested, then don't fucking get involved at all. Pretty simple.

I love how we have to treat people granted authority as if they're large carnivores or something.

- stay calm, don't back down... breathe slowly and deeply....-

 

[nib95]

She punched him first. Twice.

No. He punched/slapped her in the face first. Good on her for hitting back. You just don't do that, not when she wasn't even being violent to begin with.

 

[Trojan X]

I try not to. I deal with too many of them at work.

I've read just read the summary and most of the thread. If I were him, I probably wouldn't have punched her, but we have the luxury of seeing this in hindsight and in our homes in peace.

Sorry, but when you are a trained Police officer, you are expected always assess and evaluate your surroundings/situation properly as that is what you are trained to do. It's your profession. The cop was surrounded by 3 people, anything could have happened. One girl was resisting arrest and the other two were creating obstruction of justice. When something like that happens there is only one thing to do, call or wait for backup. Instead, he decided to be like this man:

I'm sure you agree with this.

 

[AcridMeat]

The more I watch Fett's video the funnier it gets. This thread is long enough I'm sure everything debatable has been brought forth.

In my eyes, cop is doing a poor job explaining himself to the girl in the corner of the booth. However, black dress is the stupidest person ever and I have no sympathy for.

edit:

No. He punched/slapped her in the face first. Good on her for hitting back. You just don't do that, not when she wasn't even being violent to begin with.

She grabs him by the collar while recording video, it's foolish to say she didn't do anything. I'm not agreeing with his reaction, but to claim she did nothing is silly.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

Guess she didn't approve of his conduct with the black woman.

She was filming on her phone right, so she might have been trying to get a better view of his numbers on the shoulder as well as pushing him off the woman he and the black lady were crushing in their arrest me/ arrest me not fisticuffs.

 

[SpacedCadette]

Could have at least covered her ass up after he handcuffed her....

Also, I had no idea Boba Fett was such a DudeBro.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

I love how we have to treat people granted authority as if they're large carnivores or something.

- stay calm, don't back down... breathe slowly and deeply....-

At the end of the day they are employed to do a job, arresting people is part of that authority they are awarded. In these situations its probably best to go along with them to the station explain your case and file a complaint for wrongful arrest if warranted.

 

[Derwind]

Just curious, what brings you to this conclusion? Let me spell this out for you in easy to understand terms.

Alright, so you start your post out with a standoffish approach and then deride & berate my intelligence at the BOLDED. Save your breath and don't try to dumb down something that is entirely your opinion and based on no real facts.

So how about I spell this out for you.

Resisting arrest =//= "I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T DO NOTHING!"

Resisting arrest does not amount to verbal objection, that is basic human rights. Unless you mean to silence anyone and everyone in front of an officer in uniform.

Now, the video clearly shows the cop handcuffing her, with not so much as a bead of sweat. And would have finished handcuffing her had it not been for the other chick interfering.

Resisting arrest is described as much more than what the chick was doing backed up in her chair. You have to be seriously impending the officers ability of arresting you.

And the officer was clearly using excessive amount of force on few young chicks weighing less than his fat gut....

But thanks for being a dick.

i'm no cop defender, but pulling away from a cop in a diner booth is resisting arrest. was the arrest legitimate and warranted? i have no idea, as the videos start way too late for me to judge, but she was resisting, that much is clear. and punching a cop isn't chillin'.

Depends on the region I suppose but my buddy who is a cop tells me you have to be seriously affecting their ability to arrest you to be charged with resisting arrest. The cop in the video was already half finished cuffing the chick before the other on started interrupting him. :/

 

[narwhalSTAB]

Crazy girls and foreigners dressed as Star Wars troopers, that's the livest IHOP ever.

 

[Masta_Killah]

The more I watch Fett's video the funnier it gets. This thread is long enough I'm sure everything debatable has been brought forth.

In my eyes, cop is doing a poor job explaining himself to the girl in the corner of the booth. However, black dress is the stupidest person ever and I have no sympathy for.

edit:

She grabs him by the collar while recording video, it's foolish to say she didn't do anything. I'm not agreeing with his reaction, but to claim she did nothing is silly.

If you watch the 2nd vid in the op, the girl is obviously trying to get the cop to release one of her friends, who's hair was being yanked by the cop.

 

[daw840]

Alright, so you start your post out with a standoffish approach and then deride & berate my intelligence at the BOLDED. Save your breath and don't try to dumb down something that is entirely your opinion and based on no real facts.

So how about I spell this out for you.

Resisting arrest =//= "I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T DO NOTHING!"

Resisting arrest does not amount to verbal objection, that is basic human rights. Unless you mean to silence anyone and everyone in front of an officer in uniform.

Now, the video clearly shows the cop handcuffing her, with not so much as a bead of sweat. And would have finished handcuffing her had it not been for the other chick interfering.

Resisting arrest is described as much more than what the chick was doing backed up in her chair. You have to be seriously impending the officers ability of arresting you.

And the officer was clearly using excessive amount of force on few young chicks weighing less than his fat gut....

But thanks for being a dick.

No, if your being arrested you go calmly with the officer regardless of if you are guilty or not. It's not the officer's job to determine guilt, it's a judge's job. So, if the initial lady would have just calmly gotten out of her seat and gone with the officer all of this would have been avoided, but no she decided to resist. That much is obvious. The other girl, who is not even involved until she thrust herself into the situation is a retard. Excessive force is an opinion. What if she tried to stab him? Not necessarily something that is really too far fetched considering there were probably knives and forks on the table.

 

[AcridMeat]

If you watch the 2nd vid in the op, the girl is obviously trying to get the cop to release one of her friends, who's hair was being yanked by the cop.

I get what she might have intended to do, but the way she went about it was incredibly dumb.

 

[Derwind]

No, if your being arrested you go calmly with the officer regardless of if you are guilty or not. It's not the officer's job to determine guilt, it's a judge's job. So, if the initial lady would have just calmly gotten out of her seat and gone with the officer all of this would have been avoided, but no she decided to resist. That much is obvious. The other girl, who is not even involved until she thrust herself into the situation is a retard. Excessive force is an opinion. What if she tried to stab him? Not necessarily something that is really too far fetched considering there were probably knives and forks on the table.

Yes, this is true, you should go ahead calmly if you are guilty or not.

However, there has to be some reason within the cops conduct. Cops shouldn't just go ape shit at every opportunity.

The only way I'll give the cop the benefit of the doubt is if in the beginning of this altercation she was being excessively violent.

However, we don't see that part in either of the videos.

But if you were excessively violent and threatening towards a cop, you'd get much more than 24hrs in jail. :/

The girls were in the wrong likely(and one was a bit stupid) but the cop himself is not completely defensible as so many people keep pushing.

 

[op_ivy]

soooo justified.

 

[LM4sure]

That was entertaining. Seems the force used was reasonable.

 

[dojokun]

So the cop was feeling up two girls a the start of the video... one of which was very pretty. His body inching closer, they resist. He grabs. He pulls. Don't they know they are supposed to succumb to his every wish? His every urge? His every fantasy? Especially the pretty one.

Then a third female appears, supple and ripe for the taking, and gives him exactly what he wants--an excuse to manhandle her. Oh does he love his opportunity. He strikes her, asserting his dominance. He puts his hands all over her... touching... grabbing... squeezing... but she can't overcome him. He overcomes her. He wrestles her to the ground. He wants her on her back. Down on the floor with her, he rubs his body on her... restraining her... enjoying her...

Putting handcuffs on her, she can't resist him now. He leads his conquered woman away, where she will have to do exactly as he says.



Nope. No abuse there.

 

[LQX]

The atmosphere of GAF sure has changed. Usually when a videos like this were posted and say some punk took the cops for a like 20 mile chase then took off on foot after bailing out then got his ass stomped after they caught up with him you would have most in the thread actually defending the dude. I guess some just like seeing those we don't normally see cops being shitty to get the other side of justice if you want to call it that.

So yeah, kind of surprised so many now are defending the cops even when it's clear he slapped that women. What really bugs me about it though is how nonchalant he does it. If he had maybe pushed on a wall then put cuffs on her it would bug me less but that slap...it's a slap of I can do whatever the fuck I want to you. There is no defense in that. I'm usually on the side of the law but that type of shit rubs me the wrong way because its very different from a adrenalin fueled take down.

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

So the cop was feeling up two girls a the start of the video... one of which was very pretty. His body inching closer, they resist. He grabs. He pulls. Don't they know they are supposed to succumb to his every wish? His every urge? His every fantasy? Especially the pretty one.

Then a third female appears, supple and ripe for the taking, and gives him exactly what he wants--an excuse to manhandle her. Oh does he love his opportunity. He strikes her, asserting his dominance. He puts his hands all over her... touching... grabbing... squeezing... but she can't overcome him. He overcomes her. He wrestles her to the ground. He wants her on her back. Down on the floor with her, he rubs his body on her... restraining her... enjoying her...

Putting handcuffs on her, she can't resist him now. He leads his conquered woman away, where she will have to do exactly as he says.



Nope. No abuse there.

What the hell did I just read?

 

[perfectnight]

So the cop was feeling up two girls a the start of the video... one of which was very pretty. His body inching closer, they resist. He grabs. He pulls. Don't they know they are supposed to succumb to his every wish? His every urge? His every fantasy? Especially the pretty one.

Then a third female appears, supple and ripe for the taking, and gives him exactly what he wants--an excuse to manhandle her. Oh does he love his opportunity. He strikes her, asserting his dominance. He puts his hands all over her... touching... grabbing... squeezing... but she can't overcome him. He overcomes her. He wrestles her to the ground. He wants her on her back. Down on the floor with her, he rubs his body on her... restraining her... enjoying her...

Putting handcuffs on her, she can't resist him now. He leads his conquered woman away, where she will have to do exactly as he says.



Nope. No abuse there.

GROUND FUCKING FLOOR

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Not once, but twice lol.

 

[bengraven]

Is it sad that I was praying this was going to be Florida? And Gainesville? And the IHOP in GNV next to my old office, where a friend is currently waiting tables?

 

[Mushroom021]

did you see the people at the end of the video just take the booth and sit in it hahaha, they were all laughing.

 

[MWS Natural]

Hell yeah! Just two letters away from another embarrassing black people thread.

Come on man you know it's too dangerous to put an IHOP in Bankhead! WAFFLE HOUSE!


Why does no one care that this all started because the cop randomly tried to arrest the girl in the corner?? From the article, Bobba Fet and the Storm Trooper she was doing nothing before the police officer grabbed her.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So yeah, kind of surprised so many now are defending the cops even when it's clear he slapped that women.

I think we all agree that the slap was poor judgement and lead to an escalation of the situation. But most of us also agree that when homegirl decided to break the seal on that can of whoopass and his partner was slow to action, he socked her in order to defend himself.

I didn't like the slap, but I don't mind him doing what he had to do after that. Even if he was wrong, YOU NEVER STRIKE A COP.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Sorry, but when you are a trained Police officer, you are expected always assess and evaluate your surroundings/situation properly as that is what you are trained to do. It's your profession. The cop was surrounded by 3 people, anything could have happened. One girl was resisting arrest and the other two were creating obstruction of justice. When something like that happens there is only one thing to do, call or wait for backup. Instead, he decided to be like this man:
http://paulkienitz.net/comix/sly.jpg
I'm sure you agree with this.

Almost everything you said is correct: an officer should assess and evaluate his surroundings. Now, we don't know why all of this started, but lets assume that he was just trying to arrest Girl A. She resists, so he has to use more force in order to arrest her. Then that other girl, who has no affiliation to the original female, comes up to the officer and tried to pull him off. The cop tries to push her away, but it comes off as a slap, possibly by accident, possibly because he wanted to slap a hoe. Then she retaliates against him. Then he choice to use more force against her.

There is no one solution to a problem for officers. And like I said, we can judge him from the comfort of our homes and with the luxury of hindsight. Making decisions can be hard under pressure, especially when adrenalin is coursing through your veins. I'm not saying that this gives him a pass, and I'm sure he will have to go through training again, but in the heat of the moment, peaceful solutions are not always the best solution.

 

[bill gonorrhea]

Better video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9w9AfptGGQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Better video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9w9AfptGGQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s

well.

 

[Opiate]

I tend to agree that this is a far more complex situation than originally suggested by the title of this thread.

I don't think the cop's response was appropriate, but you simply cannot hit police officers. On the other hand, I hold police officers to a higher standard than I do regular civilians.

I don't think it's obvious who is in the wrong here. Or rather, neither is completely in the right.

 

[Dude Abides]

No, if your being arrested you go calmly with the officer regardless of if you are guilty or not. It's not the officer's job to determine guilt, it's a judge's job. So, if the initial lady would have just calmly gotten out of her seat and gone with the officer all of this would have been avoided, but no she decided to resist. That much is obvious. The other girl, who is not even involved until she thrust herself into the situation is a retard. Excessive force is an opinion. What if she tried to stab him? Not necessarily something that is really too far fetched considering there were probably knives and forks on the table.

Actually it's the cop's job to determine if there is probable cause. If there isn't, it's an unlawful arrest, and you're within your rights to resist it.

As a practical matter, however, it's probably unwise to expect cops to act like professionals and stay within the limits of their lawful authority. I think everyone can agree on that.

 

[effzee]

I don't know if the woman deserved it or not but I don't get the purpose of the 2nd cop? If his partner is trying to arrest one of the girls while two girls are possibly interfering, why isn't the 2nd cop doing anything?

And then when his partner, the first cop, decides to wind up and punch the woman in the face he does nothing still?

Woman was stupid but I don't get how she deserved to be punched in the face because she got angry when he slapped her in the first place? Yeah don't put hands on cops but there is nothing in the cops handbook about dealing with these situations? Or does it simply say "back away, wind up, and knock girl out!"?

 

[Byakuya769]

Actually it's the cop's job to determine if there is probable cause. If there isn't, it's an unlawful arrest, and you're within your rights to resist it.

As a practical matter, however, it's probably unwise to expect cops to act like professionals and stay within the limits of their lawful authority. I think everyone can agree on that.

You should be right, but you'd be wrong.

I don't know if the woman deserved it or not but I don't get the purpose of the 2nd cop? If his partner is trying to arrest one of the girls while two girls are possibly interfering, why isn't the 2nd cop doing anything?

And then when his partner, the first cop, decides to wind up and punch the woman in the face he does nothing still?

This made me wonder about the validity of the first officers initial confrontation. Maybe the 2nd officer is really not buying into whether they should be in the situation to begin with.

 

[Opiate]

Actually it's the cop's job to determine if there is probable cause. If there isn't, it's an unlawful arrest, and you're within your rights to resist it.

As a practical matter, however, it's probably unwise to expect cops to act like professionals and stay within the limits of their lawful authority. I think everyone can agree on that.

However, if it is indeed a lawful arrest, you are not within your rights to resist, and it is not only the right but the duty of the police officer to subdue using necessary force.

We cannot tell if this was a lawful arrest. So again, this isn't a black and white issue. The woman obviously behaved significantly worse than the police officer (she struggled first, she hit first, so if these were just two regular people, obviously it would be fine for the police officer to defend himself), but we hold police officers to significantly higher standards, so I'm really not sure who to "Blame" for this.

 

[Salazar]

This made me wonder about the validity of the first officers initial confrontation. Maybe the 2nd officer is really not buying into whether they should be in the situation to begin with.

Maybe it's procedure for the second cop to watch for other folks coming in or other stuff happening around the incident.

 

[op_ivy]

you dont lay hands on an officer, and you certainly never strike them. its really that fucking simple.

 

[beast786]

is it me or as a society in US we are lost when it comes to women.

i mean seriouly, when was violence a problem in women. It seems some where something happened where females and physical violence has become a norm.


WTF?

 

[Jarmel]

Cop must be a fan of Sean Connery.

I lol'd at this.

Yes she indeed did have it coming for swinging at a cop. Common sense should tell you to shut up and do whatever they say.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

His ass needs to be fired and brought up on assault charges. That simple.

 

[KingK]

Jesus Christ, that was police brutality. She touched his arm, and he responded by hitting her in the face. I also don't know wtf they were doing to the women in the first place that required being on top of one and grabbing her.

Also, why is it that there's always cops stationed at IHOPs? At the 24 hour IHOP where I live, there's always a cop there when my friends and I go really late at night. Usually it's the same guy, and he was awesome and had coffee and conversations with us lol.

 

[Sp3eD]

Girls get off way to easy on GAF.

She got exactly what she deserved.

 

[Vilam]

Jesus Christ, that was police brutality. She touched his arm, and he responded by hitting her in the face. I also don't know wtf they were doing to the women in the first place that required being on top of one and grabbing her.

Also, why is it that there's always cops stationed at IHOPs? At the 24 hour IHOP where I live, there's always a cop there when my friends and I go really late at night. Usually it's the same guy, and he was awesome and had coffee and conversations with us lol.

Places frequently hire off duty cops as security - they're allowed to wear their uniforms for it. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a 24/7 place like IHOP did this.

 

[remnant]

No. He punched/slapped her in the face first. Good on her for hitting back. You just don't do that, not when she wasn't even being violent to begin with.

Dude look at the video slowly. She claws his face. he doesn't even turn to her until her he fingers are off.

 

[SapientWolf]

His ass needs to be fired and brought up on assault charges. That simple.

It would be battery, not assault. The lady getting punched could get brought up on battery charges too:

The Act The act must result in one of two forms of contact. Causing any physical harm or injury to the victim—such as a cut, a burn, or a bullet wound—could constitute battery, but actual injury is not required. Even though there is no apparent bruise following harmful contact, the defendant can still be guilty of battery; occurrence of a physical illness subsequent to the contact may also be actionable. The second type of contact that may constitute battery causes no actual physical harm but is, instead, offensive or insulting to the victim. Examples include spitting in someone's face or offensively touching someone against his or her will.

 

[Lebron]

Better video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9w9AfptGGQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s

Well would you look at that

 

[effzee]

Dude look at the video slowly. She claws his face. he doesn't even turn to her until her he fingers are off.

I think he means that he slaps her first. THEN she punches or claws him.

Lost in the debate is that the cop could be a Dbag who was over stepping his boundary to begin with. We don't know yet so we can't say but he could have been the one being a dick, she walks over to try to talk some sense into him (still stupid), puts her hand on his shoulder, he slaps her face, she rages and starts to hit him, he backs up winds up and punches in the face.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Questioning arrest = calmly asking why your being arrested
Resisting arrest = I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING! I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T DO NOTHING!

So by your logic, grabbing someone and yelling "Stop resisting!" is enough to justify an arrest?