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Could Mortal Kombat 11 beat Super Smash Bros. Ultimate in sales?

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Let me educate you guys on what a real fighting game is, you pay attention too OP.

You know how you go to the supermarket and buy some milk? You drink the milk and realize it's expired, so you return it. That's what Smash Bros. is, spoiled milk. You may think this doesn't explain anything, and you would be right i'm drunk.
 

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Um, Spawn releases in March and NRS has made it clear they intend to support MK11 for a long time to come, so I wouldn't just expect the DLC to stop due to the PS5 and XSX launching in Fall 2020.
Sorry, I thought Joker was the final guy (I remember hearing about Spawn before Joker). Thanks for the correction. I don't think it makes much difference though.
 
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What hot take can I come up with, fresh off a ban, without it looking like a troll topic. Let's see, "Smash isn't a real fighting game". Yeah that's the one.

Actually the topic is about whether MK11 has a chance of passing Smash in sales but ok.
 
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Why the fuck is Spawn not a guest character on SC again?
 

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Actually the topic is about whether MK11 has a chance of passing Smash in sales but ok.
Last I read, Super Smash Bros. sold close to 16 million copies back in September. That was three months ago. You say Mortal Kombat 11 will "come close" to selling 10 million by the end of the year. What are the actual last reported sales numbers for the newest Mortal Kombat though? Seems like Nintendo's crossover fighting game already has quite the substantial lead and likely won't lose it.
 
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Last I read, Super Smash Bros. sold close to 16 million copies back in September. That was three months ago. You say Mortal Kombat 11 will "come close" to selling 10 million by the end of the year. What are the actual last reported sales numbers for the newest Mortal Kombat though? Seems like Nintendo's crossover fighting game already has quite the substantial lead and likely won't lose it.

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MK11 is selling at a much higher pace than MKX. MKX sold over 11 million as of April this year. One thing you have to realize between the two is that MKX released in 2015 so it took almost 4 years to sell 11 million units. However, MK11 had already sold half or more of that 11 million this June which was only 3 months after its launch.

We know this because Kingdom Hearts 3 had sold over 5 million copies a few weeks after launch, and Mortal Kombat X surpassed it as the then best selling game of 2019 in June, meaning that whatever sales KG3 had in June MK11 beat those sales and we know that minimum for that is 5 million at least. In comparison it took MKX 7 months to sell 5 million from April-December 2015.

This is why I think it's possible that if they keep momentum going they can pass smash and maybe even do close to double MKX's sales.
 

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It's literally the only fighting game series that has games that has outsold any other Smash Bros game after 64. Are you ok?
Super smash sells twice as much as mortal kombat does in half the time. On one platform. No, it is not impressive. Already this year Smash has outsold MK11, and it's been on the market longer

You have to go back to Melee on the gamecube before any Mortal Komat starts coming close to it.
 

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MK11 is selling at a much higher pace than MKX. MKX sold over 11 million as of April this year. One thing you have to realize between the two is that MKX released in 2015 so it took almost 4 years to sell 11 million units. However, MK11 had already sold half or more of that 11 million this June which was only 3 months after its launch.

We know this because Kingdom Hearts 3 had sold over 5 million copies a few weeks after launch, and Mortal Kombat X surpassed it as the then best selling game of 2019 in June, meaning that whatever sales KG3 had in June MK11 beat those sales and we know that minimum for that is 5 million at least. In comparison it took MKX 7 months to sell 5 million from April-December 2015.

This is why I think it's possible that if they keep momentum going they can pass smash and maybe even do close to double MKX's sales.
Are you saying you now think Mortal Kombat 11 will have sold 15 million copies instead of 10 million by the end of the year? Just to be clear, I wasn't asking about Mortal Kombat X. Don't really care how the last game is performing sales-wise.
 
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Already this year Smash has outsold MK11,

You actually don't have the information to make this claim.

Yes it is impressive to be the only other franchise close to Smash and the only that has games that outsold some of the other post-64 entries.

Also if MK11 does reach or come close to 10 million by the end of the year it's actually selling quite a bit faster than smash as well since it's only been on the market since March.

Are you saying you now think Mortal Kombat 11 will have sold 15 million copies instead of 10 million by the end of the year?

No I said 10. 15 is the last Smash number announced.
 
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15.

MK11 is selling at a much higher pace than MKX. MKX sold over 11 million as of April this year. One thing you have to realize between the two is that MKX released in 2015 so it took almost 4 years to sell 11 million units. However, MK11 had already sold half or more of that 11 million this June which was only 3 months after its launch.

We know this because Kingdom Hearts 3 had sold over 5 million copies a few weeks after launch, and Mortal Kombat X surpassed it as the then best selling game of 2019 in June, meaning that whatever sales KG3 had in June MK11 beat those sales and we know that minimum for that is 5 million at least. In comparison it took MKX 7 months to sell 5 million from April-December 2015.

This is why I think it's possible that if they keep momentum going they can pass smash and maybe even do close to double MKX's sales.

MKX came out in 2015.

2015-2019: 11 million in 4 years

SSBU
2018-2019. In one year it did 15 million

Just to be clear your theory is based off of sales momentum, MK11 will outsell SSBU, a game that is already millions of units ahead, and historically has far better legs than mortal kombat? SSBU is still one the top selling games of the year in NPD, how confident are you MK11 will still remain a best seller next year, especially when new consoles come out?
 
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MKX came out in 2015.

2015-2019: 11 million in 4 years

SSBU
2018-2019. In one year it did 15 million

MK 11 OVER 5 million in 3 months, as it passed Kingdom Hearts in June and we don't know how much KH sold at that point.

You're MKX comparison doesn't make much sense. I said MK is the only fighting game series that has come close, and have beaten post-64 entries of smash, that is accurate.

MK11 is the latest entry that's what you're supposed to compare to Smash Ultimate, which came out 4 or so months before MK11, and MK11 is currently selling faster than Smash Ultimate.
 
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I think MK 11 will Not outsell SSBU. Smash still has at least 5 more dlc fighters coming we don't know of,
also what about total sales after the holidays, with the big increase in Switch sales?
 

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You actually don't have the information to make this claim.
NPD YTD data

Yes it is impressive to be the only other franchise close to Smash and the only that has games that outsold some of the other post-64 entries.
No it really isn't. Being millions of units lower than SSB is not impressive.

Also if MK11 does reach or come close to 10 million by the end of the year it's actually selling quite a bit faster than smash as well since it's only been on the market since March.
SSBU did 5 million in its first week. Better than MK11 did in it's first month on multiple platforms. It's been pacing better than MK11 all year.

There is no logical reason to believe that MK11 sales will increase higher than SSB and last as long

MK 11 OVER 5 million in 3 months,

Ultimate did 5 million in one month.

You're MKX comparison doesn't make much sense. I said MK is the only fighting game series that has come close, and have beaten post-64 entries of smash, that is accurate.
And irrelevant. Congrats, you outsold a Gamecube game

MK11 is the latest entry that's what you're supposed to compare to Smash Ultimate, which came out 4 or so months before MK11, and MK11 is currently selling faster than Smash Ultimate.
And millions of copies behind in total.
 
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NPD YTD data

You do not have MK sales data to make the claim.

NPD YTD data

No it really isn't. Being millions of units lower than SSB is not impressive.

Define millions. Also again you don't have the sales information to make this claim.


SSBU did 5 million in its first week. Better than MK11 did in it's first month on multiple platforms. It's been pacing better than MK11 all year.

No it's not.

SSBU sold 10 million by the end of 2018. This means it is around 6 million so far this year. KH2 sold 5 million in a few weeks in February of THIS year, we don't know how much KH3 sold by June, but MK past that number and it's very likely that KH3 was over 6 million or more by that time which means that by June MK was in that range, so it's unlikely SSBU is outpacing it, at best they are trending similar.

Remember you said THIS year SSBU selling 5 million last years is not relevant. You are trying very hard and failing to push down MK numbers which are indeed impressive and saying other wise is silly. No other fighting game is as close to SSB series in general this gen or last gen.

There is no logical reason to believe that MK11 sales will increase higher than SSB and last as long

There is plenty of reason to believe MK11 will sell for a long time, just like the previous few MK games you keep pretending didn't exist. Each one adding the the momentum of the last.
 
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NPD YTD data

No it really isn't. Being millions of units lower than SSB is not impressive.


SSBU did 5 million in its first week. Better than MK11 did in it's first month on multiple platforms. It's been pacing better than MK11 all year.

There is no logical reason to believe that MK11 sales will increase higher than SSB and last as long



Ultimate did 5 million in one month.


And irrelevant. Congrats, you outsold a Gamecube game


And millions of copies behind in total.
It's not like Nintendo's top tier exclusives don't continue selling at a high rate for years at a time. Ohh wait, that's exactly what they do. MK 11 did great sales, Smash sales are off the charts high, even more impressive that it's an exclusive vs a multi.
 
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It's not like Nintendo's top tier exclusives don't continue selling at a high rate for years at a time. Ohh wait, that's exactly what they do. MK 11 did great sales, Smash sales are off the charts high, even more impressive that it's an exclusive vs a multi.

A multi banned in several countries Smash is sold in without Smashes marketing.

Also unless you have current MK numbers you can't really say "did" and dismiss it's current momentum especially in 2019 based on the KH statistic. Smash is actually less impressive and the least surprising sales wise of the two. Look at the ld MK x 10 million thread and see your own post about how impressive it was that it sold that high, did you forget?
 

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MK11 has until the next Xbox and PS5 release and I don't even think it'll last that long considering Joker releases in January and they don't seem to have plans beyond that for DLC.

Well Spawn is already announced for March 2020. But even if he wasn't consider the trend:

Mortal Kombat 9: Four DLC Characters
Injustice: Six DLC Characters
Mortal Kombat X: Eight DLC Characters
Injustice 2: Nine DLC Characters

Increasing every game. There will be another season pass for sure. Add to the fact that it'll get a PS5 edition including the DLC and yeah MK11 is gonna last for a while.
 
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You do not have MK sales data to make the claim.



Define millions. Also again you don't have the sales information to make this claim.




No it's not.

SSBU sold 10 million by the end of 2018. This means it is around 6 million so far this year. KH2 sold 5 million in a few weeks in February of THIS year, we don't know how much KH3 sold by June, but MK past that number and it's very likely that KH3 was over 6 million or more by that time which means that by June MK was in that range, so it's unlikely SSBU is outpacing it, at best they are trending similar.
I don't have numbers, and yet your entire argument rests on making assumptions about KH3. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

SSBU has been in the NPD top 10 pretty much all year. Again, your argument only makes sense if you think MK11 will outsell SSBU in total (it won't) and have legs just as long as Ultimate.(It won't). There is no evidence to suggest that this is the case.

If you have evidence that MK11 will pass 15 million this year, please post it.

Remember you said THIS year SSBU selling 5 million last years is not relevant.
Look at the title of your own thread

You are trying very hard and failing to push down MK numbers which are indeed impressive and saying other wise is silly. No other fighting game is as close to SSB series, in general, this gen or last gen.
No, I said MK beating a previous SSB game is irrevelant. You have to go back to Melee(over a decade) to find a SSB that MK beats in sales

There is plenty of reason to believe MK11 will sell for a long time, just like the previous few MK games you keep pretending didn't exist. Each one adding the the momentum of the last.

What are the reasons? DLC?
 
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I don't have numbers, and yet your entire argument rests on making assumptions about KH3.

We have KH3 sales, we know what the minimum is, try paying attention instead of continuing to fail due to sever anti-MK hate. If we were talking about SF I bet you wouldn't be so antagonistic.


SSBU has been in the NPD top 10 pretty much all year.

And we know that SSBU sold around 10 million by the end of last year, so based on the 15.7 million for SSBU announced THIS year, it sold around 6 million this year, which is around what MK sold in 3 months by June while not being on shelves from Jan-March. This would indicate that MK11 is currently with the numbers we have, selling faster than SSBU in 2019.


No, I said MK beating a previous SSB game is irrevelant.You have to go back to Melee(over a decade) to find a SSB that MK beats in sales

And it's the only fighting series to come close to any of them or beat Melee so yes it's impressive. Especially since MK is banned in most countries Smash is sold in.
 

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We have KH3 sales, we know what the minimum is, try paying attention instead of continuing to fail due to sever anti-MK hate. If we were talking about SF I bet you wouldn't be so antagonistic.
Actually you don't. You have old numbers regarding KH3 and you're making wild assumptions based off of that.

I'm using the NPD YTD. If you have a press release from warner brows, talking about MK11 YTD sales, please post them



And we know that SSBU sold around 10 million by the end of last year, so based on the 15.7 million for SSBU announced THIS year, it sold around 6 million this year, which is around what MK sold in 3 months by June while not being on shelves from Jan-March. This would indicate that MK11 is currently with the numbers we have, selling faster than SSBU in 2019.
You're making another assumption that MK11 sales stayed consistent from summer til now. There is no proof of that.

Bet even if that is true, that doesn't change my point. MK11 will have sold less than SSB in total. So again I ask, at what point will MK11 outsell Ultimate and what evidence do you have it will have longer legs?




And it's the only fighting series to come close to any of them or beat Melee so yes it's impressive. Especially since MK is banned in most countries Smash is sold in.
Being outsold by millions of copies is not impressive. By your logic Sonic team racing is an impressive competitor compared to Mario Kart.

Also, blaming the game being banned in some places. That is just pathetic
 
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Actually you don't. You have old numbers regarding KH3 and you're making wild assumptions based off of that.

I'm not making an assumption, we KNOW that MK11 passed KH3 in June and we KNOW KH sold 5 million within its first few weeks in FEB so in JUNE when MK FACTUALLY passed KH3, we KNOW that MK11 is OVER 5 Million. There is no "assumption" there, only you are making assumptions desperately trying to downplay numbers.

You're making another assumption that MK11 sales stayed consistent from summer til now. There is no proof of that.

We have direct proof from NPD Matt that MK was the top selling fighting game consistently on PS4/Xbox up until now and is currently the third best selling game on the Switch, this is MK's biggest market we are talking about here.

That is evidence, no matter how much you want to pretend it isn't.
 
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Also, blaming the game being banned in some places. That is just pathetic

Lol? Japan is one of the top markets for Smash as well as Korea and MK isn't sold in either. It's not pathetic, what's pathetic is you failing to downplay MK's massive success despite Smash having better marketing, and released in more territories.

It's ok man, don't cry.
 
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i find it more impressive that smash is kicking MK11’s ass despite being an exclusive. MK11 may be banned in a handful of countries, but when you have four times the potential install base, there is no excusing those faults.
 
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Lol? Japan is one of the top markets for Smash as well as Korea and MK isn't sold in either. It's not pathetic, what's pathetic is you failing to downplay MK's massive success despite Smash having better marketing, and released in more territories.

It's ok man, don't cry.
But Mortal Kombat is on more platforms.
 
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But Mortal Kombat is on more platforms.

And yet is less widely available.

i find it more impressive that smash is kicking MK11’s ass despite being an exclusive. MK11 may be banned in a handful of countries, but when you have four times the potential install base, there is no excusing those faults.

It's not kicking any ass, MK11 is currently out pacing it in 2019 with the numbers we do have, if it's at 10 million or close by the end of the year that means that MK11 is rapidly closing the gap with Smash while coming out nearly 4 months later, while being less available, and without the financial backing of Nintendo, or and Smash taking advantage of the smaller Switch library.

In any world you think Smash is more impressive you have to be on some powerful stuff.
 
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And yet is less widely available.



It's not kicking any ass, MK11 is currently out pacing it in 2019 with the numbers we do have, if it's at 10 million or close by the end of the year that means that MK11 is rapidly closing the gap with Smash while coming out nearly 4 months later, while being less available, and without the financial backing of Nintendo, or and Smash taking advantage of the smaller Switch library.

In any world you think Smash is more impressive you have to be on some powerful stuff.
-less available
-on 4x more platforms
 
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If Smash and MK are not in the same genre, then why is OP even comparing their sales in the first place?

What's next? "Do you think MK will outsell Pokemon? Not that they have anything to do with each other, but I mean, just wondering anyway!"

Anyway, to answer the question, no. I don't think MK, despite being on many platforms, will never outsell SSBU, despite it being limited to one system.

But I mean, if you want to disqualify Smash based on some arbitrarily chosen rules of what constitutes a "real" fighting game so you can sleep better at night, I mean, go ahead.
 
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-less available
-on 4x more platforms

-In Less countries.

Somehow this isn't getting through to People, MK's release WW has always been limited, not with Smash. Which most of its current sales were front-loaded and a large portions of its sales are from Asian countries MK isn't sold in yet there's a possibility of MK meeting or passing it.

That's impressive no matter how much spin you add. Being on more than one platform doesn't really matter if the amount of people you can access is cut nearly in half compared to the other game, being Smash Ultimate in this case.

Not that hard to comprehend. Keep in mind MK usually isn't bundled for the same reason it's banned in multiple countries, and retailers that make up their own consoles bundles don't usually have MK in them unlike some of the ones with Smash, which also has the benefit of being a major release during a drop in releases on a consoles that's selling fast.

MK is being brought mostly by itself, while losing out on millions of gamers Smash has access to, while not having as much marketing, and yet has sold faster than Smash in 2019 so far and may be at 10 million by the end of the year.

Definition of impressive.
 
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But MK11 is available to more people.

That's factually incorrect.

Smash is available in more countries so by default has access to more people, on a fast selling Nintendo console no less. Even in the countries that support MK, not all stores will carry the game, while most stores will carry Smash.

The fact sales could even be close between the two shows how impressive MK11 is.
 
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That's factually incorrect.

Smash is available in more countries so by default has access to more people, on a fast selling Nintendo console no less. Even in the countries that support MK, not all stores will carry the game, while most stores will carry Smash.

The fact sales could even be close between the two shows how impressive MK11 is.

Mortal Kombat 11 is on PC, Xbox One, PS4 and Windows 10 PC.

It's not factually incorrect, it's factually correct that it's available to more people than Smash Ultimate.

Switch is around 41 million in sales.

That's world wide sales. You have more than that in the US alone on the platforms I mentioned above. It's not banned on every single country, but it is still in fact available to more people.
 
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I think there gonna release an updated version for the new consoles and at that time everything should be crossplayable. so in the end I think it will outsell smash.
 
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Mortal Kombat 11 is on PC, Xbox One, PS4 and Windows 10 PC.

Good job ignoring the post.

Yes it is on those, and it's also not available in multiple countries or limited retailer availability.

Smash is available in more retailers and more countries. Japan is a significant chunk of Smash sales, MK doesn't have that. Same with a few European countries.

MK being close despite again is impressive, there is no spin you can possibly come up with to dismiss this fact. We all know this thread would be completely different if the opposite was true.

This isn't Street Fighter V we are talking about this is MK, a game that has less access to customers than Smash, yet currently more customers are buying it at a faster rate. (in 2019)

Even the Switch version is NOT available in a bunch of countries or retailers. Smash is a headline game taking advantage of a small library with huge financial backing and advertising while being widely available world wide on a system with over 40 million units sold.

Come on now.
 
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