yodathesoda
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I purchased a 360 at launch because of how great the games looked at the time. Are you saying I didn't?
Many of you also overestimate how much the average Joe cares how good PC games look and underestimate the hype train.
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could PS4 & 720 struggle like the wii u ?
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I purchased a 360 at launch because of how great the games looked at the time. Are you saying I didn't?
Many of you also overestimate how much the average Joe cares how good PC games look and underestimate the hype train.
Thunder Monkey
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And you underestimate how far a 3-incher and no shame can get you.
edit: I'm being told that constantly mentioning my penis is inappropriate to civilized discourse.
Probably something in the middle.
I stake my claim as the most wishful thinker. I am expecting at least 5-10 third party exclusives that make use of the Wii U's various gamepad and wiimote motion features in a deep and meaningful way.
As for who will outsell who, I don't really care. It's Nintendo problem really. I'll just spend my time pursuing other activities.
While I can see both sides of the argument, the jump this gen isn't going to be as the one last gen and the average Joe is just going to want to play on the system his friends are playing on which really wasn't as big of a factor last gen due to the fact that the only real big online game back then was Halo and the Xbox had a small community.
Hello brother have you heard the word about Apple?
... Despite the mainstream generally not giving a shit about traditional consoles I think Sony and MS can pull it off. I hear people saying the majority who bought 360/PS3 won't notice or care about the graphical difference, I call bullshit. It should be easily marketable, there's a massive focus and demand on fidelity these days with Blu Ray, retina displays, high quality streaming and quality home TV sets able to show off this improved fidelity readily available to those even in the lowest socio economic brackets and the difference is going to be big. PS360 games, even the graphical showpieces are looking terrible these days.
So yes I think they will be relatively slow burners initially but will be highly prized additions to man caves around the globe and will end up being more successful than the current generation. Gaddamn I'm hungry for some new console tech.
... Despite the mainstream generally not giving a shit about traditional consoles I think Sony and MS can pull it off. I hear people saying the majority who bought 360/PS3 won't notice or care about the graphical difference, I call bullshit. It should be easily marketable, there's a massive focus and demand on fidelity these days with Blu Ray, retina displays, high quality streaming and quality home TV sets able to show off this improved fidelity readily available to those even in the lowest socio economic brackets and the difference is going to be big. PS360 games, even the graphical showpieces are looking terrible these days.
So yes I think they will be relatively slow burners initially but will be highly prized additions to man caves around the globe and will end up being more successful than the current generation. Gaddamn I'm hungry for some new console tech.
gillian jacobs on that retina display...
Yes. But it's also following the track that game consoles have been going all along. Doing anything to get more people to buy them. From DVD playback, to more accessible games, "easier" to understand controls with the Wii, and media features that have continued to evolve with the inclusion of apps. This all will just continue to evolve with the next gen. Microsoft so far seems to be trying to do more integration as its noteworthy addition. I think thats the right path. Sony will no doubt have apps, but the question is will they go with HDMI input? Google TV integration? It's worth noting that we don't know if either are really going to get this part right yet. That HDMI input could turn out to be for something else, or they could fuck up the interface for it.
Sold out but with a lower shipment I think.
It will bad for the two new consoles if the Wii U also gets their multiplat launch titles,happens to cost less, and has some big Nintendo titles too.
Thunder Monkey
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ArkkAngel007
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Of course there's a drop off. Holidays are over. No one buys anything around this time, especially high priced products. 360 and PS3 are cheaper too, so the WiiU is going to suffer in mainline retail for a while. The core market isn't biting that much either unless they give something substantial to warrant an adoption with these two new investments on the horizon that sadly are offering more out the gate. Finally, the lack of (awful when present) marketing.
Sony also is finally turning a profit, though I understand it isn't that huge in comparison to the damage that has been done. I don't know if any department specific details have been released, but that is good news for a change in their corner. PS3 did fairly well too this past holiday.
Schnozberry
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Tech = Graphics? People are definitely obsessed with tech, but I think it's important to remember that most folks are blown away by the graphics on their iPad.
We already pretty much know there's costumer confusion about what the wii u really is, with a lot of people thinking its a wii add-on. And of the 27+ launch titles only 3 were Wii U exclusive.
One was a New Super Mario Bros, the fourth installment, people are tired of the series already. Nintendoland, as great as it is, left a lot of the mainstream audience with a bad taste on their mouth after last E3 Plus its not the system seller Wii Sports was. And ZombiU got mixed reviews, which generated some bad word of mouth.
None of those are system sellers, and the rest are ports of games already available in other system, at better prices. With the exception of Assassins' Creed III.
Wii U's 2013 Q1 Seems pretty barren with only a few exclusives. The most expected known games for the Wii U between GAF people seem to be Bayonetta2/W101/Pikmin 3. Which don't have release dates ye.
If Nintendo announced some games coming in the upcoming quarters more people would feel better about the long-term investment in the console, thus they would jump in. I don't think by this point in time, people who want a Nintendo Console will want it for the hardware power, but for the Nintendo Exclusives.
And as soon as the marketing confusion settles, it will sell a bit better, as kids will see "The new nintendo toy" and will probably ask their parents for it.
The worst offender are the ones that believe they can predict the future without a shadow of a doubt.
Thunder Monkey
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I can, because I've been there, but won't because I want to kick Pikachu.
What? Xbox 360 and PS3 are no longer considered tech? Do you honestly believe an average consumer is going to be able to even see the difference between 360 and Durango or PS3 and Orbis to the point where they'll shell out 400-500+ dollars for it?
There is tech obsession but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with video game consoles.
I meant people as in a large, overwhelming majority. The jump from PS2/Xbox to PS3/360 was significant and people still didn't hop on board until the last two to three years of the cycle. The difference in graphics from PS3/360 to Orbis/Durango will not be as significant and I don't see the consoles coming in lower than 399.99 with the rumored specs we have.
What hype train? What can you honestly tell me about either of the new systems other than they're coming out? We don't even know one launch game and you're talking about a hype train? Get real.
yodathesoda
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As soon as "marketing confusion" settles, kids will want the new XBOX or PS with the new COD or Bungie title with better graphics that Wii U can't do. This is the Wii U's immediate problem and will be a major reason why both next gen consoles will sell hotcakes
A case of solipsism at it's best!!
But CoD looks dramatically better on Wii U!
ArkkAngel007
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They see a pretty device that they are told is going to change their lives. Smartphones, tablets, and tvs are about as far as most general consumers get. They don't understand what goes behind that glossy surface. They just listen for tags like "4G" and "App-compatible", not to mention the creamy center that is "Apple".
These are also the same people who don't do any research into what they get. They walk-in, look at it, decide on how cheap they can get through this without looking like the 1st Doctor, and then they bite the bullet.
As long as it's something they don't have, still looks relevant, and is cheaper than the other option, that's where the consumers will go (omitting hardcore brand loyalty like Apple and Bose).
Consumption does not equal knowledge.
Do it. And get 'em in dat chilli sauce post haste
If you want to compare the first few years it will be a much larger jump. When the current gen launched HD-TVs were not main stream. The jump was not that large on a SD-TV. Hence the Wii not looking its age when it first launched for the general public. With people having LCD-HD tvs the jump will be much more drastic. You are under-estimating going 2005 tech of old school direct 9 shaders to newer direct 11 shaders with high res textures and AF(which IMO is gigantic alone) and hopefully more games at native 1080p. Games at 720P and low res textures and no AF well don't look so good on LCD TVs. Hell if games look like current PC games on high it will be day and night compared to the current generation. If MS and Sony do its job with good kiosks at stores the previous gen will look very dated. Heck the COD crowd should appreciate the larger maps cleaner graphics to make shooting people easiser and matches with many more people in them.
Thunder Monkey
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yodathesoda
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Yes I do believe they will and they will be much more willing to spend the money on the next gen consoles compared to Wii U.
I'm talking about the inevitable marketing blitz from both companies. Are you telling me there won't be a hype train for 720 and PS4 considering people have been waiting 8+ years for the next new Xbox and Playstation? Get real.
So games multiplat with last gen are going to make the new systems sell like hotcakes?
2005 is when HDTVs started to drop in price like crazy and even then the jump in graphics was still pretty big. We also had Sony saying that the PS3 would be capable of 1080p at 120 fps.
There was a marketing blitz from Sony for the PS3 and that was successor to the best selling console ever after a six year wait, how did that work out?
Must of missed the part where Sony and MS have priced the next gen at 599.99 dollars. Both of these machines are modest and don't see much of an issue having a 399.99 sku from both.
did you previously have a samus avatar or some other girl in a ponytail? sorry, it's hard to keep track of the few posters that make sense here..
ArkkAngel007
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Well, look at how much that horse was selling for. 360 was cheaper, the Wii cheaper than that, and the PS2 was perfect. Selling the idea is half the battle. Selling the product with a price tag waggling in the consumer's face is another.
Even at the end of 2008 only 23% of house holds had a HDTV. That is 3 years after the generation started.
yodathesoda
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Time to head to bed. We'll have to save this one for a crow eating session in a year.
Thunder Monkey
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And being damned because I didn't buy one at launch of course.
Last time that happened Nintendo only sold 21 million units.
It's an exact science at this point.
today is a good day for science.
Your point is? There are other factors here even the best marketing couldn't cover up for Sony and they didn't really show off anything that bested what MS had already shown. It also released late leaving 360 to take the West by storm and Japan started moving development en masse to handhelds and it was a confusing beast. Westerners are fickle and MS showed off a product that was, despite many technical flaws, pretty damned incredible. Point being, one of them and in the end both of them ended up being pretty successful. Marketshare was more split than the previous gen but for the end consumer this hasn't ended up being much of a problem. If next gen is similar I'm happy
James Sawyer Ford
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Doubtful.
I personally think there's HUGE pent up demand for truly next-gen consoles.
Provided the software is there at launch, so shall the consumers. Pricing be damned, I think a lot of people will jump on early even at a high price.
I personally think there's HUGE pent up demand for truly next-gen consoles.
Provided the software is there at launch, so shall the consumers. Pricing be damned, I think a lot of people will jump on early even at a high price.
I didn't miss anything. That's the whole fucking point that there's more to selling a video game console than "marketing blitz!!!!!!!11111111111one."
I had Sarah Bryant from Virtua Fighter (technically the model they used in DoA5) but yeah, girl with a blonde ponytail. Just changed my avatar for Fire Emblem hype though.
Price only had so much of an effect. It's the games and experience that people are willing to pay for. We literally don't even know one game that's coming out for either system for launch day nor their price so anyone saying "oh yeah complete sell-out" is ignoring historical data and information and making some huge, sweeping statements on nothing but the promise of a new system.
I don't think the PS4 and 720 will struggle. I think the Wii only sold in the numbers it did because it had motion controls as its USP, but I think Nintendo fell out of favour with a lot of gamers with that console. To me, Wii-U is just Wii-2, but with a much less desirable (as far as the mass market goes) USP - which may not even be unique, as we don't know what the PS4/720 controllers are like yet. The PS4/720 will have better looking games, better online systems, more media features including Blu-Ray playback, possibly/arguably better motion control systems, "second screen" functionality.
I think there's a ton of people waiting to see what PS4 and 720 are like before pulling the trigger on either one or both.
I think there's a ton of people waiting to see what PS4 and 720 are like before pulling the trigger on either one or both.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Never. They'll just kill PS3/360 and watch gamers suffer and buy the new consoles.
ArkkAngel007
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I was speaking strictly about the larger consumer market since most here were focusing on how core demos would react and what they look for. Figured I shouldn't just be part of the echo chamber.
For the core demo, the PS3 was too expensive, lacked quality exclusives (with stinkers like Lair right out of the gate), and the platformers looked no better and often worse than the 360 counterparts due to the different architecture.
There are a lot of factors though, and these threads are extremely premature to really be getting deep into.
i don't see it. so many massively popular tech products out in the past few years, it's really hard for me to believe the demand for them is that large nor pent-up at all.
Thunder Monkey
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ArkkAngel007
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That would actually be hilarious to watch. If done quietly without it becoming a huge scandal though, that could actually be a good move if it wasn't for losing profits from selling those systems. Nintendo ought to know the taste of the hurt-of-systems-past very well with the 3DS (and from personal observations, the Wii U).