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Could the Ps3 be the PS2 all over again?
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Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
They all promise way too much and never deliver. It has always been this way!
Doom_Bringer
Banned
ya I am not going to hype myself this time because for me PS2 was a huge let down. But this time they are doing stuff right, they got IBM and Nvidia involved so it should be a good system.
PS3 could be what PS2 was suggested to be in Kutaragi's more hyperbolic visions, and more ("jacking into the matrix" asides 
i mostly mean internet/network stuff).
Some of that is funny to read 5 years later, though. The whole internet thing took such a large backseat.
It's interesting, though, in that this time there's been relatively little explicit hype from Sony..so far at least. At least if you look at all the press/hype relating to PS3 or Cell, a large proportion of it isn't directly linked to Sony.
i mostly mean internet/network stuff). Some of that is funny to read 5 years later, though. The whole internet thing took such a large backseat.
It's interesting, though, in that this time there's been relatively little explicit hype from Sony..so far at least. At least if you look at all the press/hype relating to PS3 or Cell, a large proportion of it isn't directly linked to Sony.
RidgeCityFM
Banned
360 does all that :lol
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Wow no one has made comparisons to the toy story graphics statement for PS2 which was never said.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Probably.
And this time I'm not just gonna be suckered into being an early adopter, I'm going to buy more than one and actually benefit from it on ebay or in local shops.
And this time I'm not just gonna be suckered into being an early adopter, I'm going to buy more than one and actually benefit from it on ebay or in local shops.
SolidSnakex
Member
I sure hope its the PS2 all over again. 
Kasra said:
You referred to EE, which had stories written about it potentially going beyond PS2, in missile systems, in supercomputers etc. etc. Cell is actually doing those things now. Most Cell-related "hype" doesn't come from Sony, but others using the chip now, which is sort of a fitting opposite to what EE hype was like.
Ken is no different than Peter Moore or Allard. It's all hyperbole. No one but GAF-types remember this shit 5 years later when they are shilling the next "big thing".
When Time magazine does a feature article on the PS3, they should have a sidebar column referencing this. Kind of a heads up to thier readers. But they won't.
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Actually, I hope the Playstation 3 underdelivers. I already have a PC that can do (or will have the ability to do) everything a next gen console can. Why do I want all that crap, when I just want to play Tekken 6 or Final Fantasy?
When Time magazine does a feature article on the PS3, they should have a sidebar column referencing this. Kind of a heads up to thier readers. But they won't.
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Actually, I hope the Playstation 3 underdelivers. I already have a PC that can do (or will have the ability to do) everything a next gen console can. Why do I want all that crap, when I just want to play Tekken 6 or Final Fantasy?
SolidSnakex
Member
ToxicAdam said:
Because you can have both? Why complain about extra features?
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
If I get games as good as MGS3, Resident Evil 4, Final Fantasy, Splinter cell and a Atlus R&D1 RPG on PS3 then it will be just as good as PS2 for me 
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
norinrad21 said:
I posted this article a couple of days ago for the choice words KK uses to describe what the PS2 will do for advancing culture. Ironically, a lot (but not all) of what he described is very much like XBOX Live.
"It will become a machine that transcends the differences of nation, race and sex." KK :lol
radioheadrule83
Banned
psycho_snake said:If I get games as good as MGS3, Resident Evil 4, Final Fantasy, Splinter cell and a Atlus R&D1 RPG on PS3 then it will be just as good as PS2 for me
But would it deserve to sell 80+ million more machines than the competition?
SolidSnakex
Member
radioheadrule83 said:
If its like the PS2, yes it would.
SolidSnakex said:I sure hope its the PS2 all over again.
QFT
If it is the PS2 all over again, that would mean a system with a very long lifespan and an incredibly long line-up of quality games released throughout it's entire life. Seriously, the PS2 craps all over it's competition when it comes to games. Every single year it dominated with not only the most games, but also some of the very best. Each year the system seemed to get better and better on almost every possible level. So yeah, I wouldn't mind such a console all over again.
radioheadrule83
Banned
I like my PS2. I really do think its got the best breadth of titles of any current gen machine, I do consider myself a Sony fan even though I've been a huge Nintendo fan since I was 12 or something.
But I was disappointed in the uptake of Xboxen and Gamecubes, and over-awed by how well PS2 has done by comparison. I've had great gaming experiences across the board. I don't think chav England for example know or care about the great PS2 titles coming this year (Collossus, Dragon Quest, Guitar Hero etc)... they bought their PS2s because PS2s are THE gaming machine to own. Its got GTA, it got Pro Evo first, its got MGS, FF etc... but the hype is that great, that it beats down the perfectly good competition. People freely assume xbox is shit, or that the gamecube is less powerful (certain games help support that one sadly).
This cell-banter, and hype over target-renders n' such -- it doesn't impress me -- and thats because I see that it could fuel another PS2-level success story, whether it deserves it or not.
I want it to be good, but I'd rather it wasn't a PS2-level success. Unless of course, it turns out it really is just that good.
But I was disappointed in the uptake of Xboxen and Gamecubes, and over-awed by how well PS2 has done by comparison. I've had great gaming experiences across the board. I don't think chav England for example know or care about the great PS2 titles coming this year (Collossus, Dragon Quest, Guitar Hero etc)... they bought their PS2s because PS2s are THE gaming machine to own. Its got GTA, it got Pro Evo first, its got MGS, FF etc... but the hype is that great, that it beats down the perfectly good competition. People freely assume xbox is shit, or that the gamecube is less powerful (certain games help support that one sadly).
This cell-banter, and hype over target-renders n' such -- it doesn't impress me -- and thats because I see that it could fuel another PS2-level success story, whether it deserves it or not.
I want it to be good, but I'd rather it wasn't a PS2-level success. Unless of course, it turns out it really is just that good.
SolidSnakex
Member
R0nn said:
Exactly, while I want the PS3 alot, i'm happy that the PS2 is doing so well that the PS3 isn't really needed right now (this could be the PS2's best year yet). This will be the PS2's 6th year and its still doing really well.
CamHostage
Member
People give Sony too much shit for "promising" stuff for PS2 that they never delivered.
For one, they DID deliver, just about all of it. Just not in the way that goes together the way they said. The UK had the web browser. The PSX in Japan brought video recording and I believe video ordering to the system. We have EyeToy Chat for talking with people. It just never came together as this one big package where you're chatting with people in Japan and then emailing people in Morocco and then gaming with people in Texas and then watching porno from Sweden in the same instance.
Beyond that, much of what was "promised" was possible and demonstrated on PS2, but Sony just gave up on it for being too much of a pain in the ass when the customer base settled down. They had all those deals pre-XBL for online services with PS2, but all of that was big dreaming that could have come together had the dotcom crash not put the pressure on it making money. Sony continued on with that partnership with AOL, demonstrating streaming video-on-demand at E3 that one year, but they again just bailed on the project because of lack of interest at this point (plus, I'm sure they wanted away from AOL if there was nothing good to come of it, because AOL is a pain in the ass to work with, and I'm not just saying that because I'm one of those angry kids whose mom is still on AOL, the company is just difficult to work with because they're protective of their services.) And so much of it was dependent on the HDD, which Sony came to regret ever talking about. They REALLY did not want to get into the business of selling a hard drive, and while they did try a second round of push on it when Xbox included it, they basically gave up on the whole thing and really only shipped the product to get Square's game out.
The only place that Sony really dropped the ball with PS2 in its plans (nevermind that some people expected Toy Story graphics for stupid reasons) was in online. I've always wondered if their online plans suffered the same fate from the dotcom crash. The story at the time was that you would be getting some kind of special deal for hooking up broadband through Softbank and its other partner here (sorry, can't remember), your friends list would be the same as your AIM login through the AOL partnership, and RealNetworks would sell you videos and music. Then the Dow fell, the parners went scrambling for their existence, and Sony had no plan to fight the ballsy Xbox Live plan, so they stalled, let THPS3 go out with no infrastructure, and then ripped everything they had down to the bare elements that we're still using today. That's my guess...
Will PS3 finally deliver everything that Sony promised with PS2? Possibly not, although look at the difference in eras. Selling digital music and movies is a fast-growing sector. And full system integration across everything you got is a hot concept that's finally possible and purposeful with modern wireless standards.
For one, they DID deliver, just about all of it. Just not in the way that goes together the way they said. The UK had the web browser. The PSX in Japan brought video recording and I believe video ordering to the system. We have EyeToy Chat for talking with people. It just never came together as this one big package where you're chatting with people in Japan and then emailing people in Morocco and then gaming with people in Texas and then watching porno from Sweden in the same instance.
Beyond that, much of what was "promised" was possible and demonstrated on PS2, but Sony just gave up on it for being too much of a pain in the ass when the customer base settled down. They had all those deals pre-XBL for online services with PS2, but all of that was big dreaming that could have come together had the dotcom crash not put the pressure on it making money. Sony continued on with that partnership with AOL, demonstrating streaming video-on-demand at E3 that one year, but they again just bailed on the project because of lack of interest at this point (plus, I'm sure they wanted away from AOL if there was nothing good to come of it, because AOL is a pain in the ass to work with, and I'm not just saying that because I'm one of those angry kids whose mom is still on AOL, the company is just difficult to work with because they're protective of their services.) And so much of it was dependent on the HDD, which Sony came to regret ever talking about. They REALLY did not want to get into the business of selling a hard drive, and while they did try a second round of push on it when Xbox included it, they basically gave up on the whole thing and really only shipped the product to get Square's game out.
The only place that Sony really dropped the ball with PS2 in its plans (nevermind that some people expected Toy Story graphics for stupid reasons) was in online. I've always wondered if their online plans suffered the same fate from the dotcom crash. The story at the time was that you would be getting some kind of special deal for hooking up broadband through Softbank and its other partner here (sorry, can't remember), your friends list would be the same as your AIM login through the AOL partnership, and RealNetworks would sell you videos and music. Then the Dow fell, the parners went scrambling for their existence, and Sony had no plan to fight the ballsy Xbox Live plan, so they stalled, let THPS3 go out with no infrastructure, and then ripped everything they had down to the bare elements that we're still using today. That's my guess...
Will PS3 finally deliver everything that Sony promised with PS2? Possibly not, although look at the difference in eras. Selling digital music and movies is a fast-growing sector. And full system integration across everything you got is a hot concept that's finally possible and purposeful with modern wireless standards.
choplifter
Banned
I totally agree that PS3 could be PS2 all over again. there is nothing revolutionary about PS3 in 2006. granted, it is a large advance, but not that large. PS3 in 2006 is probably similar to PS2 in 2000 as far as how revolutionary it is. that said, I plan to get a PS3, maybe even two of them if i can afford it. I want 2 HDTVs as well and a new PC.
the best positive way I can look at PS3 is, it is what the PS2 should've been in terms of overall capability (not specs) .....characters with human like emotions/expressions, PS1-FMV/CGI graphics in realtime, internet browsing, high degree of image quality (thanks to Nvidia), a machine that could make low to midrange PCs obsolete until the beginning of the next decade.
the best positive way I can look at PS3 is, it is what the PS2 should've been in terms of overall capability (not specs) .....characters with human like emotions/expressions, PS1-FMV/CGI graphics in realtime, internet browsing, high degree of image quality (thanks to Nvidia), a machine that could make low to midrange PCs obsolete until the beginning of the next decade.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
The thing is, Cell is the real deal. I think the EE comparisons are wrongly done. Reason being, its just not Sony anymore, Its Sony, IBM and Toshiba (STI). You've got this processor thats going into Medical Imaging, Government Departments and other Businesses.
Also, STI has agreed to prolong their relationship till Cell reaches 32nm within 5 years.
Also, STI has agreed to prolong their relationship till Cell reaches 32nm within 5 years.
choplifter
Banned
I agree that Cell is probably what it should be. much better than the Emotion Engine. I do expect the general architecture to last 10 years (not the first gen PS3 version of Cell) and we will see a next-gen 32nm or smaller Cell in PS4 during the early part of the next decade, almost for certain.
Intel's P6 architecture (Pentium Pro, PII, PII) and Netburst (Pentium 4) architecture have lasted a long long time. I expect Cell to do just as well if not better.
but the incrediblely lofty goals of PS3 will not happen, like sharing computing power over the internet. not even PS4 will do that.
Intel's P6 architecture (Pentium Pro, PII, PII) and Netburst (Pentium 4) architecture have lasted a long long time. I expect Cell to do just as well if not better.
but the incrediblely lofty goals of PS3 will not happen, like sharing computing power over the internet. not even PS4 will do that.
SolidSnakex
Member
westical said:
This Peter Moore comment isn't happening
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
...a smashing success ? yeah pretty much
krypt0nian
Banned
Remember this nonsense the next time to even think of making fun of Peter Moore or J Allard. :lol
but I know you won't
hukasmokincaterpillar
Member
BlueTsunami said:
Agreed. EE was actually a pretty damn good chip for its time, although it never reached its potential outside of games. Cell may be its spiritual successor from a design standpoint but its already way ahead as far as outside interest and adoption is concerned thanks to IBM's influence.
From a games development standpoint EE had a lot of positives but it was also weighed down by an underwhelming GPU design, leaving it stuck doing most of the leg work throughout its life. Sony learned their lesson by co-opting Nvidia's industry standard GPU features and tools, and while certain circles like to deride the Nvidia partnership as a last minute stop gap, Sony may have attained the best of both worlds when it comes to hardware. Their forward thinking CPU tech combined with a powerful and developer friendly GPU.
radioheadrule83 said:
Clint says...
"Deservin's got nothin' to do with it."