HUELEN10
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Court orders Apple to help unlock iPhone used by San Bernardino shooter
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nitekrawlwer
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Is there anything in particular they are looking for? I mean can't they just petition their phone service provider and internet service provider and get records of their network activity? Or am I missing something?
Angelus Errare
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If I stole your phone, I doubt I have your finger laying around. If I lost my phone I'm doubting you're likely to have my fingerprint just laying around. It was a measured risk. Increased security for stolen/lost phones versus a slight loss in security in the event you're sleeping and your noisey BF/GF wants to go through your text messages.
poppabk
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I'm talking about specifically for government and law enforcement. For the average every day user I agree that it isn't significant.
untrue. the quality of fingerprint needed to create a copy to unlock the iphone is high enough that it is fairly unlikely to be unlockable through circumstance (as opposed to directed effort)
not to mention that a freshly booted iphone cannot be unlocked with a fingerprint anyway. you need to unlock with passcode upon boot before Touch ID can be used to unlock.
The problem (which I alluded to) is that if said criminal rebooted their phone, you can't use their fingerprint to unlock it (iOS requires a passcode for first login after reboot). and the courts have already ruled that your passcode is covered under the 5th amendment.
Angelus Errare
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Still going to be a problem, iPhone requires the 4/7 digit pin after 48hrs, or anytime the phone is turned back on. Which then brings us to the present.
Any US company should help out during a terrorist investigation. This isnt some petty small crime or criminal.
bodyofanamerican
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Definitely, but helping out shouldn't include blowing a hole in the security measures put in place for all of their non-terrorist customers.
Where do you draw the line between "helping out" and "doing the government's work for them?"
Apple helped plenty with what they could. Read their letter.
What they aren't willing to do is deliberately compromise the security on their devices which protects the data of millions of innocent not-terrorist people.
Mammoth Jones
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It's sad to see society slowly become more willing to give up privacy to obtain the illusion of security.
Government can crack a terries phone? Tough shit for them. Not apples responsibility to help the government develop tools to allow them to continue their mass surveillance but I'm totally sure that's not what this will be about eventually and we can totally trust government they only wanna help (themselves).
Government can crack a terries phone? Tough shit for them. Not apples responsibility to help the government develop tools to allow them to continue their mass surveillance but I'm totally sure that's not what this will be about eventually and we can totally trust government they only wanna help (themselves).
Agreed. Tough shit if you can't crack the phone. Just have to be one of those things you can't have in your investigation.
Until this sets a precedent and then its not just for terrorism, it used for all crimes.
JSoup
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No, you really can't.
If someone accepts the consequences of no following the order, your leverage is basically gone.
In this case, the best they can do is dole out a fine to Apple, they'll fork over the lunch money, done.
If tech companies start breaking data encryption as a matter of course people can just go back to writing encrypted text too.
They have access to the data, it's not Apple's job to do their code-breaking for them.
A story linked in the other thread mentioned that this specific iPhone was owned by the govt agency the suspect worked for.
Which means, if the government had been doing its job right in the first place, the FBI would already have access to all of the data on that device and wouldn't even need Apple's help.
Corporate devices running on a properly managed setup should always be accessible to the admin. Your end users can't lock you out, unless you've massively screwed up (or haven't bothered to actually manage the devices you enroll).
What? You just said it's not possible, then you said it is possible. I'm not sure you really understand the technical details here.
Orbis Tabula
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I just realized that it looks like there are two threads on this topic? I was confused where my posts went haha
They have helped. Apple does not have the information.
What they're asking them to do is not only help but put others at risk as well by helping.
KernelPanic
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The people have spoken!
The people have spoken!
They can't unlock the phone or they won't?
Kind of both. They can't unlock it because they don't have the software to do so, but they won't develop the software because they feel it will make their iOS platform vulnerable.
The poster was making a joke about the grocery store in the image. Larry in the meat department can't or won't unlock your iPhone?!
JSoup
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The people have spoken!
I could go for a stellar sandwich.
No encryption needed to eat it.
Thebeardofknowledge
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wrong thread
Gordon Shumway
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The people have spoken!
LMAO..this is hilarious!
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