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Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
You are familiar with how the human species works, right?

We formulate a risk benefit analysis on essentially everything in our lives. You, I, and the other 6.99 billion people of planet earth are going to see everything differently. Genes + culture + environment = variety.

None of which is an argument for not taking the vaccine, which only has benefits and no known risks.

Your only argument for not taking the vaccine is that someone else thinks you should. You know how dumb that sounds, right?

Btw, I won't be placing a huge burden on the healthcare system because I live in a reality formed by data.

The burdens of healthcare are many. It's not just Covid that's filling up hospital beds. Let's think of other risky behavior that inundates our hospitals and maybe we can mandate against those too?
Ok, Datatron, what other risky behavior has lead to 100% ICU capacity in major cities the way Covid has? What other risky behavior has seen hospitals nationwide divert resources from cancer wards and other critical care in order to treat them? What other risky behavior has led to an exodus of essential workers from the healthcare system?
 
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Jaysen

Banned
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Step 6 - learn what a strawman argument actually is
Step 7 - Use it properly instead of just trying to shut down a debate That you’re losing.
 
We do what all the time?

He's basically arguing that everyone is so different and life is so subjective that the only logical stance is total freedom. But that's an argument for anarchy, and literally undermines any law in existence. In reality, people have imposed restrictions on other people's freedom the second we gathered together into small groups. The entire point of mutual existence in a society is shared cohabitation based on a set of rules. The entire point of society is to be the anti-thesis to lawlessness. His argument is literally devoid of any meaning in modern day reality.

If he lived in a desert or a forest completely by himself, he may have a point. It's a libertarian fantasy.
No. People decide to follow the law every day based on whether it is worth it to them. Why do people drive over the speed limit? Because they decide the chance of consequences (accidents, tickets) are less important to them than getting wherever they are going a little faster. That doesn’t mean you do away with speed limits. Hell, society tacitly approves of their speeding. If they didn’t, speed activated cameras would be far more numerous.

The same applies to things like drinking and driving. Millions of people do it in their lifetimes and never face any consequences. We could eliminate most of it by forcing breathalyzer starters on all cars like we do seatbelts, but we don’t. We allow people to make their choices based on their own understanding of their risk/benefit. We set up systems in an attempt to steer their choices on the way we would like them to go (ie laws and punishments), but we don’t remove the choices entirely.
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
No. People decide to follow the law every day based on whether it is worth it to them. Why do people drive over the speed limit? Because they decide the chance of consequences (accidents, tickets) are less important to them than getting wherever they are going a little faster. That doesn’t mean you do away with speed limits. Hell, society tacitly approves of their speeding. If they didn’t, speed activated cameras would be far more numerous.

The same applies to things like drinking and driving. Millions of people do it in their lifetimes and never face any consequences. We could eliminate most of it by forcing breathalyzer starters on all cars like we do seatbelts, but we don’t. We allow people to make their choices based on their own understanding of their risk/benefit. We set up systems in an attempt to steer their choices on the way we would like them to go (ie laws and punishments), but we don’t remove the choices entirely.
But we have mandated vaccines in the past.

We've also mandated clothing in the past. Masks are not that different from the requirement to wear shoes and a shirt in a business.
 
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RAÏSanÏa

Member
New public health order: mandatory vaccinations for long term care home workers.

Those 18 workers in West Kelowna. Can tell which way the transmission went considering who the mandate applies to and is getting reproached by Dr. Henry. The ones that got vaccinated know it doesn't apply to them. They apply a lot of balm before the announcement.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
"This isn't about you."



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During the first wave out here on the east coast I was dating a friend who was an oncology nurse who got pulled into the ICU to work Covid when the hospital had to shut down the cancer ward.

It fucking broke her. She's been back at her old job for almost a year now, but she's still in therapy. Still has flashbacks, panic attacks. This is a woman who is used to death and illness, she's a cancer nurse ffs. But the intensity of care and the extreme suffering of these Covid patients; being unable to keep up and watching people die. It's fucking hard.

Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes just wants to pretend this is normal. It's really fucking not. And it's totally preventable with a free shot.
 
But we have mandated vaccines in the past.

We've also mandated clothing in the past. Masks are not that different from the requirement to wear shoes and a shirt in a business.
You’re right. We have mandated vaccines in the past. Perhaps we will do so with this vaccine. I’m generally against it, because, much like the person who was having the argument said, I value human choice quite a bit. Even if I disagree with the choices humans make. That’s what it really boils down to. How much power does society get to wield over the individual. Obviously we are reevaluating that at this time. But we should have the broader discussion. Because covid will end one day, while the consequences of some of these decisions will live on.
 

FunkMiller

Member
During the first wave out here on the east coast I was dating a friend who was an oncology nurse who got pulled into the ICU to work Covid when the hospital had to shut down the cancer ward.

It fucking broke her. She's been back at her old job for almost a year now, but she's still in therapy. Still has flashbacks, panic attacks. This is a woman who is used to death and illness, she's a cancer nurse ffs. But the intensity of care and the extreme suffering of these Covid patients; being unable to keep up and watching people die. It's fucking hard.

Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes just wants to pretend this is normal. It's really fucking not. And it's totally preventable with a free shot.

Last April I talked with my mate’s boyfriend when he told me all about his shift as an on call doc at Royal Free . It was fucking terrifying. I really do think so many naysayers and anti vaxxers would change their tune if they could see what’s been going on in our hospitals when they get overrun with covid patients. You’d have to either be pure evil or a very, very scared little boy or girl to not get a tiny little jab in your arm after that.
 
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008

Banned
So I might be going to FLORIDA in a week and have been glued to coivd news/numbers for the last 3 weeks. and one thing greatly stands out to me. The NEWS sites are absolute shit!
Its all a political game for them. Its funny how google agrogates all the artilcles with the exact same headline from the various affiliates.(even rival news networks)
What is not so funny is you start seeing the trend of how they plan it all out. they post the same news and sesationalized headline on different days so its "DAILY" for two or so weeks straight. The numbers are usually wrong and updated a week or two later. Stated trends are usually very missleading.

I know an election is coming up but come on this is a very serious issue people are dealing with. It should be against the law to push propaganda so hard during a national crisis.

it really depends on who you are and will you have fun. Friend and his family came to Florida for vacation. Parents are vax, kids aren’t. They were scared shitless as all they did mainly was stay at the beach hotel and cooked.

To me? That sounds like a boring vacay. They rarely went out and visited the local area and attractions.

if you’re going to be like this, I wouldn’t go. As I mentioned before our local hospitals are filled up with non-vaccinated people and it’s pretty bad here. This is the worst ever since the pandemic started for Florida.

If you don’t care and will have a good time, come on down. If walking into stores or crowded area gives you the eeby geebys, don’t come.

ADD: There are no big elections coming up. It’s 2021
 
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Razorback

Member
We do what all the time?

He's basically arguing that everyone is so different and life is so subjective that the only logical stance is total freedom. But that's an argument for anarchy, and literally undermines any law in existence. In reality, people have imposed restrictions on other people's freedom the second we gathered together into small groups. The entire point of mutual existence in a society is shared cohabitation based on a set of rules. The entire point of society is to be the anti-thesis to lawlessness. His argument is literally devoid of any meaning in modern day reality.

If he lived in a desert or a forest completely by himself, he may have a point. It's a libertarian fantasy.

Exactly.

And I'm not saying it's right or even useful, but I completely understand those who are pro-vaccine being exasperated and showing contempt for the anti-vaccine crowd. I get it, no one likes to be shamed into doing anything, but of all the moments to decide that freedom is the number one priority you decide now is the time? During a pandemic?

Living in society is to be surrounded by laws and rules from the moment you're born. It's a sacrifice we all make to the alternative of living in a lawless mad max world where the strongest chad decides everything for everyone else. Be glad you live in the present day in a democratic country. You'll have a hard time finding any other time or place with more personal freedoms.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
it really depends on who you are and will you have fun. Friend and his family came to Florida for vacation. Parents are vax, kids aren’t. They were scared shitless as all they did mainly was stay at the beach hotel and cooked.

To me? That sounds like a boring vacay. They rarely went out and visited the local area and attractions.

if you’re going to be like this, I wouldn’t go. As I mentioned before our local hospitals are filled up with non-vaccinated people and it’s pretty bad here. This is the worst ever since the pandemic started for Florida.

If you don’t care and will have a good time, come on down. If walking into stores or crowded area gives you the eeby geebys, don’t come.

ADD: There are no big elections coming up. It’s 2021

huh? There is the state elections in 2022. Which the campaigns are running full throttle right now.
 

RAÏSanÏa

Member
If walking into stores or crowded area gives you the eeby geebys, don’t come.
There's so many great places to visit in the US too. Don't want crowds, those mountain parks and trails in North Carolina look gorgeous and plenty of space, fresh air and exercise and cool shit to do. Learn some Appalachian songs. Bet it's amazing there in the fall. I've wanted to visit. Thinking of the food and history. So cool.
 

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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
During the first wave out here on the east coast I was dating a friend who was an oncology nurse who got pulled into the ICU to work Covid when the hospital had to shut down the cancer ward.

It fucking broke her. She's been back at her old job for almost a year now, but she's still in therapy. Still has flashbacks, panic attacks. This is a woman who is used to death and illness, she's a cancer nurse ffs. But the intensity of care and the extreme suffering of these Covid patients; being unable to keep up and watching people die. It's fucking hard.

Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes just wants to pretend this is normal. It's really fucking not. And it's totally preventable with a free shot.

More strawmanning. More appeal to emotion rather than reason. More shaming.

This doesn't work on us. We're inoculated against these tactics, yet you keep repeating them ad nauseam. Use a different strategy.

Btw, propaganda often plays emotional music in the background to increase effect. Learn to spot it.
 

008

Banned
There's so many great places to visit in the US too. Don't want crowds, those mountain parks and trails in North Carolina look gorgeous and plenty of space, fresh air and exercise and cool shit to do. Learn some Appalachian songs. Bet it's amazing there in the fall. I've wanted to visit. Thinking of the food and history. So cool.
I need to make my way up there sometime as I haven’t done that as of yet. That sounds like a ton of fun!

If I’m spending thousands to come to a Florida beach town I’m renting a boat for the day, eat at great seafood restaurants, deep sea charter fishing, walk the piers, mingle with southerners, take the kids to marine life attraction and parks, sunset dolphin cruise, etc.

They didn’t do anything. That’s a big yikes from me and I was like... even offered to rent a boat for the day. Nope, wouldn’t do that with me.

Yikes man
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I get it, no one likes to be shamed into doing anything, but of all the moments to decide that freedom is the number one priority you decide now is the time? During a pandemic?

Again...

From 2016 - 2019 an average of 40k people per year died of the flu.

Our current 7 day average puts us at 32k deaths per year if you extrapolate x52.

My state in particular has 2 Covid deaths over the last 7 days. You can stay inside and watch fear porn. The rest of us will go out and dodge this "pandemic" just fine.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
More strawmanning. More appeal to emotion rather than reason. More shaming.
I can't strawman someone who has no affirmative argument beyond "I don't wanna eat my vegetables."

I am appealing to both the reasonable reality of what Covid surges result in hospitals -- something you haven't and won't address -- and humanizing the reality of what that means.

Is it wrong to shame the deserving?

Again...

From 2016 - 2019 an average of 40k people per year died of the flu.

Our current 7 day average puts us at 32k deaths per year if you extrapolate x52.
The issue is the hospitalization rate more than the death rate. Flu doesn't put 5% of patients in the hospital, often requiring weeks of intensive care.
 
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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I can't strawman someone who has no affirmative argument beyond "I don't wanna eat my vegetables."

I am appealing to both the reasonable reality of what Covid surges result in hospitals -- something you haven't and won't address -- and humanizing the reality of what that means.

Is it wrong to shame the deserving?


The issue is the hospitalization rate more than the death rate. Flu doesn't put 5% of patients in the hospital, often requiring weeks of intensive care.

What percentage of hospitals are currently overrun in America? How many hospitals by me are currently overrun?

PS: Where are the people who believe they shame the undeserving?
 
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Additional information from Singapore, comparing viral loads over time among both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It confirms that in the beginning, viral loads are indeed similar, but over time, the vaccinated people eliminate their viral loads at a much faster pace, which would explain the high protective effect against hospitalization and death. (not yet peer reviewed)




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Virologic kinetics​

Serial Ct values of individuals were analyzed as a surrogate marker for the viral load. The initial median initial Ct value did not differ between unvaccinated and fully vaccinated patients (unvaccinated median Ct 18.8 (14.9-22.7), vaccinated 19.2 (15.2-22.2), p=0.929). However, fully vaccinated patients had a faster rate of increase in Ct value over time compared with unvaccinated individuals, suggesting faster viral load decline (coefficient estimates for interaction terms ranged from 9.12 (standard error 3.75) to 12.06 (standard error 3.03); p-value <0.05 for each interaction terms) (Figure 1).

In this study, we found that fully vaccinated patients had significantly lower odds of moderate or severe outcomes following infection by the SARS-CoV-2 VOC B.1.617.2. Vaccination was associated with lower peak measures of systemic inflammation, fewer symptoms, including more asymptomatic infection, and better clinical outcomes. Notably, in contrast to existing studies that showed lower viral load in vaccinated patients [22], initial viral load indicated by PCR Ct values was similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients with B.1.617.2. However, vaccinated patients appeared to clear viral load at a faster rate. Our serologic data suggest an early rapid rise in neutralizing and binding antibodies indicated by C-Pass and Roche anti-S antibodies, which may be evidence of memory immunity to COVID-19 vaccination on challenge with a breakthrough infection with B.1.617.2.

The finding of diminished severity with B.1.617.2 infection in vaccinated individuals is reassuring and corroborates emerging data from the United Kingdom which have found that mRNA vaccination remains protective against symptomatic and severe disease[12, 23]. An observational cohort study conducted in Scotland suggested that ≥14 days after the second dose, BNT162b2 vaccine offered 92% vaccine effectiveness against presumptive non-B.1.617.2 infection and 79% protection against presumptive B.1.617.2 [24]. Protection associated with the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine was 73% and 60% respectively. Although vaccine-breakthrough infections are increasingly reported, with the largest series to date in the United States reporting 10,262 breakthrough infections, a majority of these were mild (27% asymptomatic, 10% hospitalization, 2% mortality)[25]. Vaccine-breakthrough infections will continue to be observed, especially with genetic drift and selection pressures resulting in emergence of newer VOCs; however, it is likely that there will be a shift toward milder disease spectrum with more widespread implementation of vaccination programs.

Conclusion​

mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 are protective against symptomatic infection and severe disease by the B.1.617.2 variant. Vaccinated individuals had a more rapid decline in viral load, which has implications on secondary transmission and public health policy. Rapid and widespread implementation of vaccination programs remains a key strategy for control of COVID-19 pandemic. Further studies should elucidate immunologic features driving vaccine-breakthrough infection to improve vaccine-induced protection.
Bumping this post because we seem to still have people think that there is no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated when it comes to spreading it to others. Or are at least using that as an excuse to cover for their cowardice and selfishness.

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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
My friend caught COVID for a 2nd time. Same symptoms as the first time. He has chills and severe vomiting.

I wonder if people who get it always get the same symptoms if they get it multiple times. Or can someone get it once, get stomach issues. Then get it again and next time not get stomach issues, but get lung issues.

He doesn't go out a lot, but he goes to the gym and Starbucks 7 days a week.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Again...

From 2016 - 2019 an average of 40k people per year died of the flu.

Our current 7 day average puts us at 32k deaths per year if you extrapolate x52.

My state in particular has 2 Covid deaths over the last 7 days. You can stay inside and watch fear porn. The rest of us will go out and dodge this "pandemic" just fine.
I addressed that earlier but you didn't seem to like my answer.

Infectiousness of COVID is higher than the flu.

Lethality of COVID is higher than the flu.

Long term side effects of COVID are worse than the flu.

People cared about flu deaths in 2016 to 2019, but the flu wasn't putting people in the hospital to the extent where we have to shut down elective surgeries as much as COVID is. Especially bad flu seasons in the past caused a few hospitals to set up tents and cancel elective surgeries, but it's happening a lot more often due to COVID.

You can't just look at the current numbers and think to yourself, "oh it's not that bad". The progression of this disease, unchecked, is exponential, and if you do the math, you can anticipate how bad it could get without countermeasures.

You can't compare the COVID deaths and the flu deaths as if they're the same. Talk about strawmanning...

Our COVID deaths are still that high despite all of the countermeasures we put in place to stop it. How much of that did we do during flu seasons?
 

Razorback

Member
Again...

From 2016 - 2019 an average of 40k people per year died of the flu.

Our current 7 day average puts us at 32k deaths per year if you extrapolate x52.

My state in particular has 2 Covid deaths over the last 7 days. You can stay inside and watch fear porn. The rest of us will go out and dodge this "pandemic" just fine.

Any reason to limit the average to the past 7 days other than it gives you a result of deaths lower than 40k?

Also, because of all the measures used to fight covid, like social distancing, lock-downs, and mask-wearing, the flu has killed pretty much no one since the pandemic began.



What do you think the death toll for covid would have been if we had done nothing to fight it?
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I addressed that earlier but you didn't seem to like my answer.



You can't compare the COVID deaths and the flu deaths as if they're the same. Talk about strawmanning...

Our COVID deaths are still that high despite all of the countermeasures we put in place to stop it. How much of that did we do during flu seasons?

Can you show us any data on how many hospitals are currently overrun with patients? Preferably relative to percentages over the last 18 months?
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
Any reason to limit the average to the past 7 days other than it gives you a result of deaths lower than 40k?

Also, because of all the measures used to fight covid, like social distancing, lock-downs, and mask-wearing, the flu has killed pretty much no one since the pandemic began.



What do you think the death toll for covid would have been if we had done nothing to fight it?


No one here is suggesting we don't fight Covid. We're discussing the level of commitment at this particular point in time.
 

Singular7

Member
- Pfizer Chief Science Officer, who quit a year or so ago, said "don't take the shot"
- Pfizer is not mandating the shot for employees
- Nobel Prize winner who discovered HIV says don't take the shot
- MRNA inventor says don't risk the shot

I get that millions have taken it, and although there have been thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of adverse affects from it (according to VAERs) -- its relatively safe statistically.

Maybe not as safe as 99.9% survivable Covid if you're healthy... but still relatively safe.

Still, in 10 years? We just don't know the long-term of a new technology injected into your body. We need an unvaccinated control group.

I will volunteer to be in that control group!

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If this were Black Death killing 30% of the population, I would understand the global reaction. As-is, "most bizarre reaction in world history" qualifies.
 
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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Again...

From 2016 - 2019 an average of 40k people per year died of the flu.

Our current 7 day average puts us at 32k deaths per year if you extrapolate x52.

My state in particular has 2 Covid deaths over the last 7 days. You can stay inside and watch fear porn. The rest of us will go out and dodge this "pandemic" just fine.
Thats not what 7 day average means - it is a moving average for one day so you would need to multiply by a further 7, so that would be 200k deaths (5 years worth of flu deaths) if it held for one year.
 

Kilau

Member
- Pfizer Chief Science Officer, who quit a year or so ago, said "don't take the shot"
- Pfizer is not mandating the shot for employees
- Nobel Prize winner who discovered HIV says don't take the shot
- MRNA inventor says don't risk the shot

I get that millions have taken it, and although there have been thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of adverse affects from it (according to VAERs) -- its relatively safe statistically.

Maybe not as safe as 99.9% survivable Covid if you're healthy... but still relatively safe.

Still, in 10 years? We just don't know the long-term of a new technology injected into your body. We need an unvaccinated control group.

I will volunteer to be in that control group!
Did I log onto facebook?
 

Singular7

Member
Did I log onto facebook?

Do you have a counter-argument to those facts? MRNA inventory, HIV discoverer, Pfizer CSO ..... on record: "don't do it"

Now, you, as someone without a PHD in medicine / the sciences, can disagree with them! That is your right.

Just basic logic says "wait and see" with a new tech IMO. I didn't buy first gen Ryzen either.
 
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FireFly

Member
- Pfizer Chief Science Officer, who quit a year or so ago, said "don't take the shot"
- Pfizer is not mandating the shot for employees
- Nobel Prize winner who discovered HIV says don't take the shot
- MRNA inventor says don't risk the shot
There should be rule in this thread that if you don't post a source, your post should be deleted.
 

Kilau

Member
Do you have a counter-argument to those facts? MRNA inventory, HIV discoverer, Pfizer CSO ..... on record: "don't do it"

Now, you, as someone without a PHD in medicine / the sciences, can disagree with them! That is your right.

Just basic logic says "wait and see" with a new tech IMO. I didn't buy first gen Ryzen either.
“Facts” I googled one and it was false so I stopped there.
 

Singular7

Member
"I googled it" is no longer valid .... the front page is "fact checks", but in their own words in these articles, you can at least see what they said.

Pfizer Chief Science Officer:


HIV discoverer Luc Montagnier:


Dr. Zelenko warning (he treated 6000 covid patients directly in Israel so far):


Robert Malone, inventor of MRNA tech:


Like most media today (think Fox news) journalism has become "defending my preexisting views" and attacking anyone who disagrees.

Like your responses probably, just ad hominem, and no actual discussion :)

Now... you can argue "these guys who created this tech and invented various other vaccines, don't know what they are talking about, because of science reason X, Y or Z"
 
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Kilau

Member
"I googled it" is no longer valid .... the front page is "fact checks", but in their own words in these articles, you can at least see what they said.

Pfizer Chief Science Officer:


HIV discoverer Luc Montagnier:


Dr. Zelenko warning (he treated 6000 covid patients directly in Israel so far):


Robert Malone, inventor of MRNA tech:


Like most media today (think Fox news) journalism has become "defending my preexisting views" and attacking anyone who disagrees.

Like your responses probably, just ad hominem, and no actual discussion :)

Now... you can argue "these guys who created this tech and invented various other vaccines, don't know what they are talking about, because of science reason X, Y or Z"
Thanks for the sources but if you think that was an attack…buckle up.
 

Singular7

Member
Thanks for the sources but if you think that was an attack…buckle up.

They're all so weak and dopey, I actually get a kick out of it.

For me, I'm genuinely interested in the sciences and humanity -- this is a mass global experiment we're rolling out quickly predicated on fear, for a 99.7% survival disease.

The people who created it are skeptical. I believe I saw a stat in the NYtimes the other day "the most concentrated vaccine hesitant group are PhDs" LOL

Please ... insult me for this view! I take pride in being skeptical.
 
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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
"I googled it" is no longer valid .... the front page is "fact checks", but in their own words in these articles, you can at least see what they said.

Pfizer Chief Science Officer:


HIV discoverer Luc Montagnier:


Dr. Zelenko warning (he treated 6000 covid patients directly in Israel so far):


Robert Malone, inventor of MRNA tech:


Like most media today (think Fox news) journalism has become "defending my preexisting views" and attacking anyone who disagrees.

Like your responses probably, just ad hominem, and no actual discussion :)

Now... you can argue "these guys who created this tech and invented various other vaccines, don't know what they are talking about, because of science reason X, Y or Z"
Actual discussion? You paraphrased 3 scientists and then compared the vaccine to a CPU that you avoided. That was your 'discussion'
If appeals to authority work for you then there are literally thousands probably millions that do support getting the vaccine.
 

Singular7

Member
Actual discussion? You paraphrased 3 scientists and then compared the vaccine to a CPU that you avoided. That was your 'discussion'
If appeals to authority work for you then there are literally thousands probably millions that do support getting the vaccine.

Appeals to authority? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

From the inventors.... hahahaha epic counter-argument. I could understand your post if I appealed to my local physician...

But Nobel Laureate vaccine inventors? I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm very pro-coronavirus vaccine. Please, get it!

We need a control group for the long-term affects, since Former President skipped that part of the rollout via executive order, and I'm volunteering.
 
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Singular7

Member
Attempts to "stop misinformation" are core predicates to Stalin and Mao's remade societies.

You're in good company!

"The Russian dezinformatsiya derived from the title of a KGB black propaganda department"

You can try to keep people from "talking", but it won't work. The obsession with "disinformation" is not new.

Why do you think the 1st ammendment exists? It's a counter-response to attempts by the ruling class to control information.... I swear, has nobody read history further back than 5 years?
 
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ManaByte

Rage Bait Youtuber
Why do you think the 1st ammendment exists? It's a counter-response to attempts by the ruling class to control information.... I swear, has nobody read history further back than 5 years?

I don't think you've read the 1st amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There's absolutely nothing there about allowing bullshit conspiracy theories to worsen a public health crisis.
 

Singular7

Member
I don't think you've read the 1st amendment.



There's absolutely nothing there about allowing bullshit conspiracy theories to worsen a public health crisis.

Form a new group, call it "dezinformatsiya", and then maybe you can control information! It worked for 40 years in Russia.

Now, granted, someday people will wonder why your information control group exists for a 99.7% survival virus.... eventually.

Anyone have comments about the former Pfizer CSO warning about taking this shot? Is that disinfo? What about Nobel Laureat discoverer of HIV saying similar things?
 
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Razorback

Member
Now... you can argue "these guys who created this tech and invented various other vaccines, don't know what they are talking about, because of science reason X, Y or Z"

Yeah, but that's a lot of work.

Nice simple stories like the ex-pfizer guy is now anti-vax is something everyone can understand.

Anyway, I took the trouble to read the whole Reuters article about the guy. If you haven't already I recommend you do so as well so you can form your own opinion about his credibility. Even if you think the piece is biased against him, there's a bunch of direct quotes and predictions that he made that you can judge for yourself.
 
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