Yeah, the books donated to the primary school had humans chilling with dinosaurs and advocated the Earth was only a few thousand years old.
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Creationism Banned From Science Classes By Scottish Government
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Yeah, the books donated to the primary school had humans chilling with dinosaurs and advocated the Earth was only a few thousand years old.
CadetMahoney
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It's braindead common sense that it should be banned.
Like totally duh.
Like totally duh.
Most catholics are aware that the Bible is not a science book, nor should it be treated as one.
How come creationism is such a huge force on the US?
This is a good call for Scotland
I went to a Catholic school, even had nuns as teachers for some classes (not science) Creationism was not thought in my science classes. Confused that you focused on 1 Christian religion. But anyway...
Well done Scotland!
You haven't heard the "lol nothing came from nothing" anti-Big Bang argument?
Squall5042
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I think this is the next big debate in America when gay marriage becomes legal soon
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Skellig Gra
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I went to Catholic school my whole life and never had creationism taught as science or at all really. Even my theology professors were of the mind of "make your own decision you can't force people to believe something they don't". I guess I just got lucky.
Wowfunhappy
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Wait, is this really a thing? Is this the catholic church's official stance?
Skellig Gra
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Not officially no. As far as I'm aware they have never made a definitive stance.
Same here. I get the impression that Jesuit is the more progressive order of the Catholic church, as evidenced by the current Pope.
Nuance
How is it promoting religious freedom to permit and even encourage people in positions of authority (and public, too!) to promote and impose their own religious beliefs upon minors they hold authority over?
That's like, exactly the opposite of religious freedom
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Nuance definitely important. I just have a fundamental distrust of government and people in power.
I would be more comfortable with creationism can't be taught in science class because it is not science vs creatinism can't be taught.
An important distinction
I'm pretty sure most Americans care more about legal weed than the integrity of education. At least looking at the discourse, it seems like legal weed takes up a lot more time than anything else other than gay marriage.
Cow Mengde
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When will we ban it from American schools?
A delusion used to shift personal responsibility, mostly.
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Wasn't there a Supreme court case already?
Similar to abortion though folks keep trying to fight it.
But thatÂ’s exactly why
In my catholic school, yes it is.
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I guess so. Nothing to worry about then
Yep Creationism with Edwards v. Aguillard, and ID with Kitzmiller v. Dover, and a couple others. I think the poster means private schools.
DonasaurusRex
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Thats not accurate, a theist who believes "In the beginning God" would expect to see a beginning of creation , in fact this was one of the most derided verses of the bible during the early 20th century because the eternal universe model was the most widely accepted on the march towards mechanistic certainty.
The argument would be over the cause / source of all existence that pours out of the Cosmic Creation Event, later nick named the Big Bang by Sir Thomas Hoyle who was pushing his own Oscillating Model Theory (Galactus). Ironically many of the "lol nothing ever came from a big explosion" quotes that are supposed to be a slack jawed theist is what Hoyle jokingly said about the "big bang" until he ate crow in the 60s.
The Irony is decades in the making.
He is a physics teacher, he shouldn't be teaching it.
Luckily, no.
Our school had a monk giving biology before he became the principal. He gave regular plain Darwinian evolution.
Huh? I'm not talking about some nebulous quotes, I'm talking about a common argument used against the Big Bang in theism vs atheism arguments.
The argument essentially goes something like this: atheists believe in the Big Bang, which is where a giant explosion comes from nothing. This is stupid, because something can't come from nothing. Therefore, God.
I mean sure, I guess it's kind of funny that some people staunchly believed in the steady state theory to the point that they used the same kind of derisive arguments still used by theists today. In the same way that it's kind of funny that Einstein stuck the cosmological constant into general relativity to try to make a steady state universe work, then recanted, then it turned out much later he was actually kind of right for the wrong reasons.
This, i mean, Why does this require a government ban?
I cannot comprehend the concept of people somehow teaching relious belief in a "science class".
More importantly, i cannot understand the concept of PUBLIC schools teaching religion, that's kinda oppressing people's freedom to religon/lack of if you push an sepecific one in your public schools.
No, that's not the official stance, but i admit i have no idea what the official stand is, I do know that the catholic church is pro evolution.
As i understand myself, the catholic church is open to the idea that all living things have souls, so having to interject that god personally put a soul in what would eventually lead to humans is kind of pointless.
They have no 100% official stance, but they have been long-time supporters of the evolution theory. Both Lamarck and Mendel had the backing, but with the small notion that their evolutionary theories turned out to be incorrect. Nicolas Steno who is one of the big people in the geology sector, was a bishop. They also tend to tell a lot of stuff that supports evolution, with the notion that there is still a godly element to it starting it up.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church said:
Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond said:
Mammoth Jones
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Good. It's religious theology repackaged as sciency gobbledygook.
Could be a flat earther that piggybacked on the more popular vein of ignorance?
I'll give you a hug. Cool?
Ziltoidia 9
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And while the legality is pretty apparent yet won't matter to them....I'm going to say it anyway.
Science isn't a religion. Now when you get to public schools, which are publicly funded via tax dollars, religion shouldn't be involved in teaching of the students.
I'm not trying to argue with you, just had to get this out. It stuns me how clueless people can be. This country has done a great job at brain washing kids early that science = bad.
Just don't peek under his kilt!
This is actually really bad news masquerading as good news. Evolution was settled a century ago, why is this still a thing?
CadetMahoney
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The mental gymnastics and rationalizations actually make me respect these Christians less than the ones who actually "believe".
What next, demonic possession was just mental illness, resurrection is an allegory for bath salts, walking on water was an optical illlusion etc. Total cop-out and an insult to religion in general imo, no integrity and I am an agnostic.
SturokBGD
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Huh. I left school 20 years ago and even back then I don't remember creationism being taught as fact in Scottish science classes. I remember we had Religious Education classes but that was about teaching religion as a thing that exists and the affect it has on society. It's where I learned all about Martin Luther King.
Fenderputty
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They're teaching the controversy
You know, cuz science doesn't talk enough about how it might be wrong, but religion does
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