they showed it in the demo (at least sessler's video for sure). he had link running to dodge them and then also becoming a picture on the wall to dodge some more.
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Critique: Zelda Link to the Past 2 doesn't look "lived in"
- Thread starter Uncle Rupee
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they showed it in the demo (at least sessler's video for sure). he had link running to dodge them and then also becoming a picture on the wall to dodge some more.
Uncle Rupee
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No, that was just a fan-made thing I did in my spare time.
KillerTravis
Banned
I don't want to be mean, but that doesn't look very good. Also I don't see how you can determine the amount of time and effort they are putting on the game with the little bits we have seen.
i think the issue is, yes the new graphics look pretty damn similar to the old 2d stuff. but..they just didn't do a good job of transitioning the art into 3d AT ALL
i think it's pretty similar to that fan sonic 2 hd project
sure, this looks almost identical, just higher res. but it just doesn't work. it looks terrible
same goes for this new lttp. its almost as if they slavishly copied the old art without adapting it to 3d. it looks cheap and lifeless
i think it's pretty similar to that fan sonic 2 hd project
sure, this looks almost identical, just higher res. but it just doesn't work. it looks terrible
same goes for this new lttp. its almost as if they slavishly copied the old art without adapting it to 3d. it looks cheap and lifeless
Whatever it is my only real point was that I think it's ugly.
Starfish Hero
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No. Not informed about what goes into art, informed about why the tower doesn't look "lived in." Come on, you quoted another one of my posts where I stated this.
If I landed a job at Nintendo* and rebooted Zelda as a hard M title I'd love to see the threads.
*Not that I'm that talented
The problem with nostalgic games is that they're bound to cause argument because everyone has an idea in their head about how it's "supposed to be".
TalesOfWin
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Uncle Rupee
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It's not just the tower specifically though. It's everything. The trees and bushes, grass, etc.
I think Cliffy B has thoroughly and conclusively demonstrated with his blog that he's among the people in the video game industry who are the least likely to (a) recognize a problem that pertains to anything from business to development/design and (b) hit on an idea of how to solve it.
Neff
Member
If it were a couple of years away, OP's critics would be right. But the game is releasing in half a year or so. It's entirely likely that this is how the game will end up looking. It's definitely not as defined or evocative as the original, but it looks pleasant enough, aside from those ridiculous smudgy grass borders.
So true it hurts.Jesus Christ, this is getting ridiculous. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and whatnot, but we've had this conversation in like, 3 dang threads now?
Also, for comparison's sake, use a screenshot of the corresponding dungeon:
Tower of Hera was always fairly clean looking.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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I'm with all the people saying that the artstyle looks rather bland. Also I honestly don't find the paper/painting mechanic that interesting either, and I never was a huge fan of LttP, so unless I see something incredibly impressive I'm probably gonna skip this one.
I laughed.
I laughed.
Starfish Hero
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Wanted to see how this would look:
It's literally a 3D version of LttP.
If I landed a job at Nintendo* and rebooted Zelda as a hard M title I'd love to see the threads.
*Not that I'm that talented
You know Cliffy B, if you worked for Nintendo and/or Nintendo creates another western studio and put you as the main man of it I could see big things from it.
3D version mixed with vaseline.
Y'know after hearing all the arguments on both sides, I think what a lot of it comes down to is sharpness.
In 2D games, everything has a hard edge. In a 2.5D game, everything has a smudgier edge.
I still like the look of the game, but I definitely see where the critics are coming from, and why they'd dislike the style. It's not an outlandish argument, and I'm cool with dissenting opinion.
At least OP had the guts to have a full argument, not just "diz grafix sux".
In 2D games, everything has a hard edge. In a 2.5D game, everything has a smudgier edge.
I still like the look of the game, but I definitely see where the critics are coming from, and why they'd dislike the style. It's not an outlandish argument, and I'm cool with dissenting opinion.
At least OP had the guts to have a full argument, not just "diz grafix sux".
It's clear some people have had 20 years time to idealise/envision how a sequel to lttp would look liek on vastly superior hardware to the extend nothing Nintendo does would be able to live up to that.
People are way too entitled nowadays and want to be catared to their every need, and cannot accept devs havign their own visions, and just enjoy whats been handed to them.
People are way too entitled nowadays and want to be catared to their every need, and cannot accept devs havign their own visions, and just enjoy whats been handed to them.
It's the NSMB effect.
Cheap, sterile and bland.
SNES
You chose a really shitty SMB3 pic to make your argument. NSMB looks far more interesting, less sterile and bland from the pics you chose.
Waldo Lydecker
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Waldo agrees more with the OP than Cliffy B.
i agree. i said in another thread, they could probably take these exact assets, but cel shade them with a nice black outline on stuff (look at the trees in the snes shot) and it would make the game look a lot better
Paracelsus
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It's as inspired as the 3D fanremake of Chrono Trigger.
It should be illegal to have 3D remakes of originally 2D games.
It should be illegal to have 3D remakes of originally 2D games.
KittenMaster
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High production 3D games weren't a thing back in 1991 (EDIT: At least not for SNES/Genesis), so A Link to the Past would be your main-line, high production game that has the same type of artists that nowadays are getting assigned to making sure that the next new Zelda game is going to blow your pants off in visuals.
It's unfortunate yes that a Link to the Past sequel has a B-tier Nintendo team, but it still looks well enough to be acceptable in my eyes and it has classic Link so that makes it a win in my eyes.
It's unfortunate yes that a Link to the Past sequel has a B-tier Nintendo team, but it still looks well enough to be acceptable in my eyes and it has classic Link so that makes it a win in my eyes.
Who would have thought that images taken from a compressed youtube video overlayed over a set of tiles at native resolution would have looked blurry in comparison?
what?
So pretty.
On another note:
OP, while I agreed with your post, you're entering a whole new realm of possible criticism when you post your own personal work that you are proud of.
I hope you're prepared for people criticizing your work or "potential result" of a piece you have done.
Uncle Rupee
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I addressed this in the edited OP.
Yes, the dungeon and the overworld are very clean in the original ALTTP.
Part of the reason for the clean overworld was to contrast with the Dark World.
Given that the 3DS is capable of much more, don't you think they could be updating the look of ALTTP instead of simply trying to recreate it in 3D?
I don't care if they do. I know it's far from perfect. I posted it so that people saying I don't know enough about 3D graphics to critique the look of this game can shut up.
Yes, it is acceptable by my standards as well, but should the word "acceptable" be used to describe a sequel to one of the greatest games ever made?
Nintendo can make it look how they want, the point is it just doesn't look very good.
Askherserenity
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You should really watch the actual gameplay video on the 3DS. It makes a pretty big difference.
campfireweekend
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Its good this isn't a remake then.
TalesOfWin
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It's just that Nintendos premiere team (this is EAD right?) should come up with something more eye pleasing than this.
I dont doubt the game will play awesome, it is just amazing how you get trumped by graphical artists from 20 years ago.
Dion Blaster
Member
There's almost no point in arguing.
I think the game captures the clean look of ALttP very well. I could use more details but I'll wait and see the finished product before I bother getting worked up.
If it's set directly after alttp and it takes place in atleast partly the same area of the previous game then I don't see why it should look different.
If it was alttp2 where link goes to the fallen hero timeline version of termina or some other random place then, yeah, it should look different, but that's not what they're doing here.
I think it looks great. It's not like the areas in the original LttP that we've seen to compare really show how good, artistically, the game can look.
hey, what's wrong with scarfs? ¬¬
TalesOfWin
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Starfish Hero
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They could have, but they didn't. Because it is supposed to be aLttP's world in 3D. Nintendo explicitly stated this.
eighty(one)
Member
I think the art style is actually reminiscent of the Solomon's games, by Rapisoft on iOS.
I like that art style so this Zelda look is fine with me. The trailer looks really cool in 3D. I know there are many who hate the 3D effect, won't give it a fair shake by outright dismissing the feature/'gimmick' or simply can't see 3D, let alone hold a system steady while playing a game.
I trained myself to Steady my hands, and the 3D is (or system) no less enjoyable. I can fell Lagiacrus and Lagombi, Rathian and more all with full 3D blasting forth.
With me it's 3D all the way. So I guess I wouldnt fully enjoy the system as intended (its called 3DS fit a reason), if I didn't use the 3D. The feature makes things so tangible, as if I can reach in and feel that Royal Ludroth actually fighting in the system :0)
I like that art style so this Zelda look is fine with me. The trailer looks really cool in 3D. I know there are many who hate the 3D effect, won't give it a fair shake by outright dismissing the feature/'gimmick' or simply can't see 3D, let alone hold a system steady while playing a game.
I trained myself to Steady my hands, and the 3D is (or system) no less enjoyable. I can fell Lagiacrus and Lagombi, Rathian and more all with full 3D blasting forth.
With me it's 3D all the way. So I guess I wouldnt fully enjoy the system as intended (its called 3DS fit a reason), if I didn't use the 3D. The feature makes things so tangible, as if I can reach in and feel that Royal Ludroth actually fighting in the system :0)
It's the NSMB effect.
Cheap, sterile and bland.
SNES
But that's the All Stars version of Mario 3, which some people think is lifeless compared to the NES version... oh god, the abyss is endless. 10 years from now we'll be talking about how LttP2 looked way better than the upcoming Majora's Mask 2.
I don't think that's what they are trying to do. I think they're trying to kindle memories of a ALTTP, not reimagining it, so that's why they went with this look.
In the end, it's the gameplay that matters, but your argument is interesting.
Bomber Bob
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looks cheap
Ghost_Protocol
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The art style is terrible.
DryvBy
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KillerTravis
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I'm not sure but I notice some different floor patterns in this screenshot.
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