Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
tbqh he's getting attention regardless whether it's negative or not
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That church of gaming thing truly is ridiculous. I'm trying to figure out all of the problems I have with it.
Probably that its as stupid as founding a church of movie watching, or a church of book reading, or sports playing. The act itself should not define your identity.
Probably that its as stupid as founding a church of movie watching, or a church of book reading, or sports playing. The act itself should not define your identity.
PeakPointMatrix
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yeah
EatinOlives
Member
Dude, what are you doing, are you crying?
Nothing, just...just. I just read an ending that is so bittersweet it's making a lump in my throat.
Oh, what book was it?
N-no, it's not a book.
A movie?
No...
A story on reddit somewhere or-?
No.
What is it?
A comic.
Like, on the newspaper? They have those still?
No! Like on the internet! Someone drew these comics and he's ending the series and it's really heartwrenching.
One of those depressing macabre comics or something?
No, it's about video games.
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You're fired.
RiccochetJ
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At what point were any of you forced to look at his comic?
I was, at gunpoint.
Is this supposed to be a point? Some of us actually did read it back in the day. Then we realized it sucked. Now we're talking about that.
At what point were you forced to make this point?
RiccochetJ
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Have you ever made a questionable decision whilst in the grips of sleep deprivation? Years of that comic's archive in one hellish sitting, I read more of that comic than any decent human being should. Call it a grim fascination with reading the entrails, an autopsy of the truly terrible. Good complement to contrariwise dissection of the truly great: Calvin and Hobbes, for instance, is the supreme comic strip in my mind (for a long list of reasons).
Sorry, this response was probably more than you expected for your base snark.
I'm guessing most fans are pretty young. Quality-wise, it's on par with what I drew in the margins of my notebook in High School. I think most people realize that. He probably gets a lot of traffic from people who hate everything he does.
I'm mostly sad that people read this instead of comics made by people who actually deserve to be famous for what they do.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Or the "hip" teenagers.
The Awesomest
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Maybe he was making fun of himself!
RiccochetJ
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It's a comic. Don't read it. So angry! Apparently you did it to yourself. And apparently he's the one to blame for that. Nice.
But Calvin and Hobbes is the pinnacle. I agree. Same with the Far Side. Eventually we'll have that same genius bless us again.
Did you enter this topic to actually engage in a discussion, or is misrepresentation your modus operandi? Again: "Call it a grim fascination with reading the entrails, an autopsy of the truly terrible. Good complement to contrariwise dissection of the truly great". It enhances my appreciation for the medium. That's why I read terrible work.
And no, I'm not even the slightest bit angry. Just paying you back in your coin.
I guess so. Nowadays I just draw giant robots in the margins of my notes. I find it's a lot less self indulgent.
I will say this, though: It's horrifyingly easy making the protagonist be you. Like, write what you know and all, and before you know it the protagonist is a total mary sue who represents all that you find desirable in yourself or all that you wish you were.
It's not an easy thing, characterization. The only thing I find harder is action scenes.
RiccochetJ
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Ooooh. I like you. And I wasn't fucking around. I will actually engage in those types of words despite your apparent "dislike" of them. I'm interested in your idea of a "grim fascination". It comes across as it's beneath you.
Coin received.
Ahaha, I actually watched some of that and they even featured his Link "art". BAHAHAHAHA.
Why is he wearing different pants and a different shirt?
Ah fuck. Apologies for the double-post :/
RiccochetJ
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Go take a look at the Penny-Arcade comics at the beginning.
Oh, the art style changed? You don't say?
He's saying it's self-insertion. Which is probably true.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
So Penny-Arcade doesn't do self insertion?
I don't know, I haven't read it in ages. I didn't say anything about P-A though.
The most unrealistic part of this comic strip is an Escaflowne marathon running on American TV.
RiccochetJ
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FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
In a way, yes, they do, but that's openly acknowledged. Their main characters openly act as alter egos for the creators, which is not a secret, though they don't use them as literal avatars or caricatures of themselves or what they "want" to be.
Basically, the big difference is that B^Uckley uses his main character as wish fulfillment, where as the PA guys generally do not.
RiccochetJ
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At what point did you not know that the cad character was the artist?
Really? Not working them into their own story? How directly the fuck did they have their own 3 games then?
Devolution
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The same point you reached when you were forced to read the thread.
I have no illusions about the fact that I'm certainly as humanly capable of making something as terrible should the conditions align (echo chamber, artistic financial independence detached from a quality craft, etc). I've made my fair share of terrible art, even comic strips*, but to my benefit I haven't been rewarded for a worst effort.
And it's a grim satisfaction in the same way that reading about war or serial killers scratches an itch, there's a basic human need to connect and understand at least some aspect about something terrible. Comic strips are tiny fish in that proverbial sea, but the principle still works in miniature. No sense of superiority was intended by the phrase; grim is merely my description of the dissection in question, one whose subject is both repellant and fascinating in the same stroke. The content and the action are neither beneath me.
*One day I'll share my shameless Garfield xeroxes for the amusement of all, which no doubt exceeded CAD in every flub and excess. Hundreds of various pages are a pain in the ass to digitize though, doubly so when nostalgia barely outweighs inward revulsion.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I'm reading a thread not the comic. But hey.
Oh thank fuck. I thought I was the only one who did that.
Wooosh! right over your head eh?
PetriP-TNT
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What the fuck CAD is back? With a joke that has been done billion times? And friggin' ponies.
I thought it ended. WHY?? WHY GOD WHY?
I thought it ended. WHY?? WHY GOD WHY?
WordAssassin
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You seem to have misunderstood.
Gabe and Tycho became avatars for Jerry and Mike over the course of the strip. They didn't start that way. And as avatars, they do not use Gabe or Tycho to do things they wish they could do in real life. They speak their views on things through the characters, but they are not supposed to BE the characters.
Ethan, on the other hand, is Buckley's self insert. He is what Buckley wants to be, he does the things he wants to do, etc. Buckley speaks through Ethan because he IS Ethan. But it seems even he knows making yourself the main character of your gamer comic is over the line so he called the avatar Ethan instead of Tim.
The difference is this: a comic where the main character is its own person, who sometimes shares the views of the creator, VS a comic where the creator IS the main character.
That wasn't the case since the very beginning?
RiccochetJ
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I loved reading that as much as I'm sure you loved writing it.
As much as you push the idea that you aren't an artist, it's subject to the beholder! Rewards are fine trinkets but you know that they are meaningless. It's just acceptance you seek.
You can walk around with your wine glass clinking the well to do, but you know what's inside.
But of course you want that primal need to know. I have yet to find someone who doesn't! It's a deep dark secret that no one should know. You work your way among the crowd, listening, hoping for that moment of connection. But it's never there. Until that flash. When someone who understands. It's the dark fascination. We all have it.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Yep, what I was trying to say, exactly.
RiccochetJ
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That is an excellent argument.
way more
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How is that a defense of a pathetic, dickless, uninspired comic? "Well at least nobody forced you to read it." Is that really the only way sub-wallpaper art should be supported? There is plenty of lame, half-baked, poorly created shit which makes up 90% of life and most of the time we just act nice towards it, as not to offend the elderly old women, the recovered drug addict, or the excitable young face that created it. But those people at least have a passion for it.
This adolescent self-centered weirdo with the language skills of a 1820's Russian immigrant should be made fun of. How does person in their mid-20's decide they want to be the author of Family Circus but with less voice?
The disgusting thing is that he's accepted his pasty, pastel, trendy-at-all-cost mantel.
Yeah, you will. Gabe and Tycho (Gabe mostly) do that garbage all the time.
And I'm a big fan of PA, have been for years. But let's not pretend they don't have their own egos to stroke.
In the strip itself?
I dunno, I don't recall any particularly egregious moments. At least, not in the level of CAD. But that's not much of a feat is it?
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