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CVG: Wii U console/controller will not be sold seperately
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SolidSnakex
Member
DeaconKnowledge said:
I understand if they can't stream more than one device at a time. Yes, i'm disappointed by that but I understand that. I can't understand how they could come to the conclusion to not sell additional controllers since you're going to have controllers that break. What are people supposed to do then? Sit around and wait until Nintendo sends them a new one? It's pretty clear that playing with this controller can potentially change an experience, so a Wiimote wouldn't cut it. What about those people in countries that don't have such support (as mentioned above)?
AceBandage said:
The fuck is this?
No way can this be true, if your controller dies on you the main selling point goes with it. If true this has got to do with 1 Wii U controller per console so stores don't want it in stock for it to sell 1 controller every week through one getting faulty. The more Wii U news that releases the more I'm get confused. :/
AceBandage said:
.........ok you're a joke character. I like you.
Because this system SCREAMS local multiplayer if everyone had their own controller.Afrodium said:
Calling Madden calls in private? Setting up/choosing your character in a fighting game secretly (VS series)? Putting in place a certain strategy in an FPS (loadouts, perks, whatever)?
That took me like 10 seconds to think of a few amazing uses. And developers are a lot smarter than me.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
How's this going to work for First Person Shooters?
One person gets to play the game without having their actions seen by anyone. They could camp in a nice secluded spot and snipe away without consequence.
Meanwhile, everyone else playing the game has their location and movements seen by everyone else in the room, they have basically zero chance of ever sneaking up on the guy using the Wii U controller.
They absolutely need to find a way to support streaming to two Wii U controllers. Atleast then, you can have 1vs1 games that are actually fair and balanced, and team based games where each team has atleast one player that is operating in stealth mode.
One person gets to play the game without having their actions seen by anyone. They could camp in a nice secluded spot and snipe away without consequence.
Meanwhile, everyone else playing the game has their location and movements seen by everyone else in the room, they have basically zero chance of ever sneaking up on the guy using the Wii U controller.
They absolutely need to find a way to support streaming to two Wii U controllers. Atleast then, you can have 1vs1 games that are actually fair and balanced, and team based games where each team has atleast one player that is operating in stealth mode.
AceBandage
Banned
Cromat said:
Yes, the tablet IS the selling point to the console. But it's not for the same reasons as the Wii Remote were the selling point. The Tablet is a more solo experience.
They will still sell Wii Remotes in bulk throughout the Wii U's life. Probably even updated ones.
They will be what is used for local multiplayer.
You guys are thinking about this like a normal system, which it is not.
shadyspace
Banned
Relax, people. Remember when Nintendo wasn't even positive they were bundling the Nunchuk with consoles? Some rep. got off message and said something out loud that they've been kicking around internally as a possibility.
That does seem to be the case, but that's an incredible oversight if true. Local multiplayer would be terrible and would give so-called "hardcore gamers" a great reason to skip this in favor of the PS4 or whatever... why would I want to play local multiplayer if only one person has the "better" controller?TL4E said:
Ninja Scooter
Member
KingDizzi said:
I'm sure Nintendo will have a solution for controllers breaking. They have always had top notch customer service in that regard. Having stacks of controllers sitting in Best Buy and Gamestop that nobody will buy UNLESS their controller breaks is not a sensible solution, and most likely the stores wouldn't even carry them. It'd be a waste of space. Why is everyone freaking out about "THIS SYSTEM DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF BUT I'M ALREADY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WHEN THE CONTROLLER BREAKS?!!!!?"
Ninja Scooter said:
Very good points.. Basically if this thing can only play on one controller, there is no practical way for them to responsibly sell them in stores.
That's definitely a valid complaint about the concept of the system though. No big deal for me because I'll be doing my multi-play online.
To be frank, Nintendo put themselves in a corner with this tablet idea. Now it's damn if they do and damn if they don't sell the tablet separately. That means there's no multiplayer with the tablet. One person will have the advantage while the rest don't. Also, if they sell it separately and it costs too much, people will bulk out at it. But then if the tablet is broken, then you're screwed if you can't get a replacement.
GavinGT said:
Yes if the person on the TV is using a Wii Remote or CC. It's possible this may be amended in the future. I'm a firm believer in the fact that Nintendo *needs* to get two Wii U controllers going on this. Three or four would be an obvious stretch for a number of reasons.
FWIW the EA guy said it'd be good to free the screen of all the cluter he never mentioned multiplayer anything. I think it's pretty clear the console will support one screen only which is really lame IMO. I can see parents raging when their kids start fighting over the cool controller.
IMO they shouldn't release this thing until they find a way to support two screens with no quality loss.
IMO they shouldn't release this thing until they find a way to support two screens with no quality loss.
Oni Link 666
Member
It just doesn't make sense considering what EA says they're going to do with their sports games and what Harada says about what they're doing with Tekken. I'll believe it when it comes out of Iwata/Reggie/Miyamoto's mouth.
David H Wong
Banned
Afrodium said:
Because local multiplayer has been a core part of gaming since Pong.
This will be the first console without full local multiplayer since, well, ever. The core functionality of the console will not be available for party games or split screen or sports games. They go from a console based entirely around party/local multiplayer to a console that literally can't do it. It's one person playing and the rest playing a lesser role.
It's a pretty big deal.
superpickleman
Member
They likely meant that the console and tablet will be sold together and not seperately.
Someone was probably thinking that the tablet was an optional purchase and that the Wii remotes would be the default controller again.
Again, very likely just some miscommunication.
Someone was probably thinking that the tablet was an optional purchase and that the Wii remotes would be the default controller again.
Again, very likely just some miscommunication.
Infinite Justice
Member
what? that makes no sense
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Deleted member 81567
Unconfirmed Member
No reason for them to do it if they're actually proceeding with the "1 controller on screen" idea. Eventually they'll be sold though so no biggy really. If the controller breaks I wonder what they'll do.
BishopLamont
Banned
That still doesn't solve the problem. No one is going to buy a new console just coz the controller broke.AceBandage said:
AceBandage said:
No, we simply want this system to comply to the most basic guidelines of every console before it.
If the Wii Remote is required to use the system, it better be packed in. And what's the point in making a system based on something like a tablet controller and then minimizing the same controller's role?
True, but what doesn't scream local multiplayer is the fact that the controllers will likely be horribly expensive. Nintendo would probably sell controllers if they could, but the tech to stream to multiple controllers is probably too expensive to invest in when most consumers will probably play online, and those that don't will have no problem using Wiimotes. I'm not encouraging this decision, as not allowing users to play local multiplayer with the controller your console is based on is idiotic, but the cost of streaming to multiple controllers vs the amount of users who would take advantage of it probably led Nintendo to this decision.Einbroch said:
Cat in the Hat
Member
You can't believe this is the case or a good idea if it is the case.AceBandage said:
superpickleman said:
You're going off the thread title rather than the quote:
"Both the controller and the console will be sold as one unit. You won't be able to buy the controller alone."
Edit: Like I said earlier, guys, it won't sell separately except through Nintendo directly when it breaks unless they decide they can get 2 player Wii U controllers to function together (which they need to do IMO). Commercial nightmare will ensue when people drop 100 bucks on a controller and want to return it....... all over the world.
demosthenes
Member
Guevara said:
I didn't even think of this. If you can't use more than 1 controller w/ the thing, holy shit is that dumb.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
SolidSnakex said:
I wouldn't know what to tell you. My guess is they're only saying this to squash the idea that you can (or should) buy four separate tablets for one console.
AceBandage
Banned
Cat in the Hat said:
Hmm,, shilling. If you say so.
I'm simply stating facts here.
Agree or disagree with them all you want, but don't degrade my posts by calling me a shill.
MisterHero
Super Member
I really hope Wii U is open to Nintendo making successors to the Wii Remote/RemotePlus because otherwise is just restricting
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
I'll believe it when I hear Iwata say it.
pieatorium
Member
you are a shill thoughAceBandage said:
shadyspace
Banned
NSQuote said:
They explained it when they introduced the freakin' console. It's called "Wii" "U". It's got the Wii multiplayer focus that casuals know and love and the U for core single player and online experiences.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Something that needs to be asked is if Nintendo still intends on selling Wiimotes, and weather or not they'll be rebranded with the WiiU logo.
Anticitizen One
Banned
felipepl said:
you call 1-800-nintendo and order a replacement duh
Also, though this may be drastic, this decision may have been reached as a means of not confusing the public. even right after the conference people were confused as to whether or not the Wii U was an add on or a new console. If consumers see the controller being sold separately, and Wiimotes still being purchased for multiplayer party games, then many may only think of the Wii U as an added peripheral. Though the idea of therefore only selling the controller with the console as a means of counteracting this may seem a bit dogmatic on Nintendo's part, eliminating confusion for the public was probably just another incentive, in conjunction with the cost of streaming, that led them to this conclusion.
There is a lot of about this console which does not make sense. The main is one controller per console only, why would Nintendo limit that unless it was a tech problem? Another is the likes of split screen MP shooters, say you're playing a shooter on Wii U with mates. One person has the Wii U controller with proper R1/R2 and the other three have fucking Wii remotes?
Confusing, does not make sense. If a 19 year old retard like me can see these glaring issues I'm sure Nintendo can as well. Lost in translation.
Confusing, does not make sense. If a 19 year old retard like me can see these glaring issues I'm sure Nintendo can as well. Lost in translation.
AceBandage
Banned
pieatorium said:
Then dispute my posts. Simply calling me a shill only shows that you're just being childish about the entire thing.