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[Jim E. Rossler]

I have coworkers that bring their guns to work and shoot coyotes on lunch. It's legal, too.

Does this make them bad people?

Yes. If you're not taught it in school it's bad, mmmkay.
School never taught me to go to trade school, they kept forcing college down my throat and saying it's really the only way to be successful.
So excuse me for looking down on you Less Educated folk, it's how I was raised!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Joffrey approves!

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Then let me rephrase, verbal communication and not aggressive action.

He took an item he purchased away from her.

That's not aggressive. Punching her in the face is aggressive. Threatening to shoot her in the head if she keeps disrespecting her is aggressive.

I'd rather parents toss their kids shit in the garbage than a bunch of "time out's" and trying to be their childs friend.

 

[AnathemicOne]

What the fuck is this cultural shit you guys keep harping on about? Who cares if redneck culture is comfortable with shooting up their possessions, it doesn't make it any less stupid.

Exactly

 

[Meicyn]

What the fuck is this cultural shit you guys keep harping on about? Who cares if redneck culture is comfortable with shooting up their possessions, it doesn't make it any less stupid.

 

[Slappers Only]

I agree with his motivation, but I can't imagine he won't regret this to some degree in the future.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Oh please, parents embarrass their children ALL the time, and it's not that uncommon for forms of punishment to involve some public shaming depending on the severity. Hell, even in the juvenile system you'll see teenagers IN PUBLIC being forced to do community service work and clean up trash on the side of the road. The horror, the shame! It's nothing new. And btw she's fine. Did you even read his update?

SHE WILL END UP IN A ROADSIDE DITCH, SIR.

GAF has spoken. Mine as well pack it in now.

What the fuck is this cultural shit you guys keep harping on about? Who cares if redneck culture is comfortable with shooting up their possessions, it doesn't make it any less stupid.

not everyone sees and does things the way I do waaaaaaaa

you can argue it was stupid to post it on Facebook. destroying the laptop was certainly not...though you and I may not have destroyed it.

 

[Horse Detective]

I really do not understand the moral message here.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I don't know, perhaps sitting down and talking with your child like an adult. If that doesn't work, i guarantee that acting like an asshole and public shaming isn't going to work.

He tried that. Listen to his words again.

Yet according to the follow up, it did work. So what now? Maybe she's learned that there are painful consequences to certain actions. Nothing wrong with that.

All in all, she lost a laptop. Calm. Down.

 

[marrec]

Oh please, parents embarrass their children ALL the time, and it's not that uncommon for forms of punishment to involve some public shaming depending on the severity. Hell, even in the juvenile system you'll see teenagers IN PUBLIC being forced to do community service work and clean up trash on the side of the road. The horror, the shame! It's nothing new. And btw she's fine. Did you even read his update?

You're going to compare what's happening here to your 'public shaming'?

I doubt your punishment has ever gone viral bdiz.

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

A teacher making a kid read a note in class cannot be compared to this.

She's not in the juvenile system, she's a teenage girl.

 

[truly101]

And that's fantastic.

What happens *IF* the father does all that and the kid says "FUCK YOU! YOU"RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!"?

Not every child is the same. Some will apologize and behave, other will tell you they'll shoot heroin wherever the fuck they want.

He tried multiple times. To me, BOTH men with BOTH approaches are a man, and are good fathers.

And from his follow up it looks like it worked. She's not gonna be a stripper out of spite after all, eh fellas?

I'm certainly glad they have a better relationship than I took from the video. We know that she posted something before months ago and was grounded (according to the video). I still think he way overreacted to what was essentially, "my mom and dad suck, poor me". Again, not saying she couldn't be punished, but, to be politcal, he went about it a different way than I would have.

 

[AnathemicOne]

He took an item he purchased away from her.

That's not aggressive. Punching her in the face is aggressive. Threatening to shoot her in the head if she keeps disrespecting her is aggressive.

I'd rather parents toss their kids shit in the garbage than a bunch of "time out's" and trying to be their childs friend.

How about engaging in verbal communication and coming to an agreement? How about attempting to establish mutual respect? What was achieved here was instilling "fear" into someone which is never the way to go in parenting.

I honestly can't believe that people think that unloading a firearm onto a possession and posting it on youtube then achieving viral status is a proper form of discipline.

 

[nicoga3000]

In my personal view? Wtf did the coyote do to anybody?

Killing dogs/livestock/etc

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

You're going to compare what's happening here to your 'public shaming'?

I doubt your punishment has ever gone viral bdiz.

They had the viral equivalent in the 90s. The whole school talking about how your mom played you in front all of your friends. That shit would make your soul burn slow.

 

[Vermillion]

This is not about discipline. This is a public execution of her Laptop with a gun. He didnt just take away her Laptop. He uploaded a video of it on the net and publicly humiliated her for a minor insult on a webpage. I have seen stories on the net were kids killed themselfs for less.

So because kids might kill themselves, no discipline should be used? Kids are made fun of. Kids are disciplined. Some kill themselves, which is a mistake on their part. But that's life.

 

[SeanR1221]

And yet you can do all those things without acting like a prick trying to show up your teenage daughter. he's supposed to be the adult right?

My wife and I have talked about what disciplining our two girls will be like when they're teens. She talked about how when she was a teen she bickered with her mom all the time (impossible to believe now as close as they are). She said one time she did say something to really hurt her mom's feelings, I don't know the details. Her dad talked to her later that day, just he and she, and he said that disrespecting her parents would be one thing he wasn't going to take. He didn't yell, he didn't burn shit or break things. He didn't say it in front of anyone else, he didn't try to show her up. He told her where the line was and she didn't need to cross it. It never happened again. To me, thats a man, thats a father.

Good for your wife. But your wife isn't this girl.

I lol at people who think behavioral responses are universal and similar consequences should be given in different situations.

Skinner is rolling in his grave at your post.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Oh and to illustrate his poor grasp on reality... he could have sold it for money rather than being a crazy loon.

 

[marrec]

They had the viral equivalent in the 90s. The whole school talking about how your mom played you in front all of your friends. That shit would make your soul burn slow.

Don't try to compare, it's not possible. Whatever pain you suffered won't end up on Web Soup or Tosh.0

This isn't even speaking about the fact that public shaming of someone who's obviously emotional alienated from you is, in fact, stupid.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Thanks! I see these being quite useful in the future.

I'll allow it only if this gets worked into a PopGAF gif

 

[la flama blanca]

How about engaging in verbal communication and coming to an agreement? How about attempting to establish mutual respect? What was achieved here was instilling "fear" into someone which is never the way to go in parenting.

I honestly can't believe that people think that unloading a firearm onto a possession and posting it on youtube then achieving viral status is a proper form of discipline.

ah my god these guys, where do they come from with their fucking twisted perspective and 100% know it all on how to raise kids these days?

Oh and to illustrate his poor grasp on reality... he could have sold it for money rather than being a crazy loon.

Or he could have just shot it as it really doesn't matter what he does with it, does it really matter to you?

 

[Coins]

How about engaging in verbal communication and coming to an agreement? How about attempting to establish mutual respect? What was achieved here was instilling "fear" into someone which is never the way to go in parenting.

I honestly can't believe that people think that unloading a firearm onto a possession and posting it on youtube then achieving viral status is a proper form of discipline.

How was he instilling fear? The daughter probably views the gun as something everyday around a house that has firearms.

 

[PantherLotus]

I'm clearly a bleeding heart liberal commie ACLU gay muslim abortionist evolution-teaching trotskyite, but I can see why people would read a little into him shooting that laptop. It's pretty disturbing.

 

[Ragnarok]

No, it's not. That's what some GAFers would like to focus on, but that's not the issue here. That is simply what he decided to do to destroy the laptop.

The issues are:

1.) Destruction of the laptop

2.) The disrespectful, lazy daughter.

3.) Facebook.


That's it. Focusing on the instrument of destruction only puts on display a person's lack of cultural experiences beyond their own.

Why does every aspect of differing cultures have to be respected? In the South, dog fighting is deeply ingrained in african american culture. Does that make it ok?

In my opinion, brazenly using a firearm to prove some ill-thought out point is not defensible by the "but it's just their culture!" argument.

 

[Jim E. Rossler]

How about engaging in verbal communication and coming to an agreement? How about attempting to establish mutual respect? What was achieved here was instilling "fear" into someone which is never the way to go in parenting.

I honestly can't believe that people think that unloading a firearm onto a possession and posting it on youtube then achieving viral status is a proper form of discipline.

It's not like he submitted links to reddit and 4chan
He only intended it to be seen by the people who saw her post
You cant predict if a video goes viral, do you know how many videos are floating around with <100 views
At most he figured everyone in the school would see it, the same people she was bitching to

 

[LOCK]

More power to this man. Spoiled brats are the problem with younger generations.

Yeah the gun might have been a little excessive, but whats the difference in any other method of destroying the laptop.

So funny.

 

[freenudemacusers]

They had the viral equivalent in the 90s. The whole school talking about how your mom played you in front all of your friends. That shit would make your soul burn slow.

the vid posted has 13000 views (probably more in reality), and is likely to be on TV or the local news.

 

[AnathemicOne]

Killing dogs/livestock/etc

Sure I can deal with that. Now switch that coyote with an animal doll and have your daughter witness the shooting.

 

[Jenov]

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

A teacher making a kid read a note in class cannot be compared to this.

She's not in the juvenile system, she's a teenage girl.

Why can't a teacher making a child stand up and read a private note be compared? What's the difference? Instead of a school of 2,000 peers hearing about the private note, you now have a facebook audience instead (which the girl used first). In a week no one will even care.

 

[la flama blanca]

Speculation, speculation, speculation... COMN GUYS, CHEER WITH ME.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I really do not understand the moral message here.

"Dear child, we ask relatively little from you yet we give you a lot. Yet you used something we lovingly bought you to demean all we have given and continue to give you, which is a bitter pill in the context of our repeated requests for you to seek gainful employment. You are now grounded and you'll never see this laptop is gone forever. If you'd like to use Facebook again at some point in the future, you'll do so after buying your own computer with your own money that you earned working at a real job. Then you'll realize how fortunate you were to have been given those gifts while being asked to do so little to retain them. Your 15 minutes of daily chores will feel like a walk in the park after your first 20-hour work week...but you'll learn work is a part of life and discipline and respect are too."

That was the moral message.

 

[äqualibrium]

Depending on how bad the girl actually was, I think his thoughts towards the matter are valid however I think this public display is quite questionable? And of course as a man, I think the gun part was cool, but probably a terrible idea haha.

The video itself makes me feel guilty, reminds me I am incredibly spoiled yet I have a strong relationship with my parents. Different societies I guess?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Speculation, speculation, speculation... COMN GUYS, CHEER WITH ME.

surely you're due for calling someone a pussy again.

 

[AnathemicOne]

It's not like he submitted links to reddit and 4chan
He only intended it to be seen by the people who saw her post
You cant predict if a video goes viral, do you know how many videos are floating around with <100 views
At most he figured everyone in the school would see it, the same people she was bitching to

Sure let's totally exempt him because "he didn't know." Oh boy I bet the South "didn't know" slaves had feelings too back in 1800's right?

 

[truly101]

Good for your wife. But your wife isn't this girl.

I lol at people who think behavioral responses are universal and similar consequences should be given in different situations.

Skinner is rolling in his grave at your post.

Oh I completely understand that, not even her brothers were like her. They had a much harder time with her middle brother than her. But her dad's approach didn't change and they worked it out as well.

Our daughters won't be like their mom either, but I could see me going this route (the video) and it backfiring horribly. I just think something is lost in it.

 

[Horse Detective]

Oh and to illustrate his poor grasp on reality... he could have sold it for money rather than being a crazy loon.

Its a weird Southern thing, moral messages and lessons being more important then money and what not.

I don't get it either but you get used to it when you spend most of your life in the area of the US that stopped developing some time in the mid 1800's.

 

[marrec]

Why can't a teacher making a child stand up and read a private note be compared? What's the difference? Instead of a school of 2,000 peers hearing about the private note, you now have a facebook audience instead (which the girl used first). In a week no one will even care.

2,000 peers? Fuck that, reading a note aloud at most gets around to 40-50 people unless it's a fucking awesome note.

Also, a teacher is not a parent. Teachers and parents should use different techniques. The parent has been parenting the child all their lives, the teacher will see them come and go rather quickly.

Lastly, who the fuck cares if the girl used facebook first, she's a stupid teenager and you're a fucking adult.

Act like one.

 

[la flama blanca]

surely you're due for calling someone a pussy again.

I was only doing that as a mirror of the type of poor speculation you and others were doing by characterizing this guy based on the video.

 

[Ragnarok]

He tried that. Listen to his words again.

Yet according to the follow up, it did work. So what now? Maybe she's learned that there are painful consequences to certain actions. Nothing wrong with that.

All in all, she lost a laptop. Calm. Down.

Yeah because the dad says "oh it's ok! she's fine! no consequences for my actions!" doesn't make it true. Again , in my experience this type of behavior does nothing but foster deep, long-lasting resentment.

 

[Jim E. Rossler]

"Dear child, we ask relatively little from you yet we give you a lot. Yet you used something we lovingly bought you to demean all we have given and continue to give you, which is a bitter pill in the context of our repeated requests for you to seek gainful employment. You are now grounded and you'll never see this laptop is gone forever. If you'd like to use Facebook again at some point in the future, you'll do so after buying your own computer with your own money that you earned working at a real job. Then you'll realize how fortunate you were to have been given those gifts while being asked to do so little to retain them. Your 15 minutes of daily chores will feel like a walk in the park after your first 20-hour work week...but you'll learn work is a part of life and discipline and respect are too."

That was the moral message.

No man I think he wanted to show her that he'll shoot her next, and he's not above murdering children.
Did you see the COWBOY HAT?! dead giveaway.

 

[Lumination]

The guy seems like an outstanding father.

Shooting the laptop sends a message. I knew my parents were full of shit when they took my stuff away when I was a kid. I knew I'd get it back eventually, so whatever. If my parents did this, I would know that they were serious, and I would know that I fucked up. Kids are thickheaded. I know I was. Sometimes you need something powerful to show them you mean business.

I'm glad that everything seems well, according to the update.

 

[marrec]

"Dear child, we ask relatively little from you yet we give you a lot. Yet you used something we lovingly bought you to demean all we have given and continue to give you, which is a bitter pill in the context of our repeated requests for you to seek gainful employment. You are now grounded and you'll never see this laptop is gone forever. If you'd like to use Facebook again at some point in the future, you'll do so after buying your own computer with your own money that you earned working at a real job. Then you'll realize how fortunate you were to have been given those gifts while being asked to do so little to retain them. Your 15 minutes of daily chores will feel like a walk in the park after your first 20-hour work week...but you'll learn work is a part of life and discipline and respect are too."

That was the moral message.

That's the problem.

You don't parent from a position of bitterness.

 

[Alucrid]

wait wait, before I read this entire thread, did anybody make the "he's in IT and spent $130 on 'software?'" joke yet?

I was more concerned with the 'spending half a day upgrading it' part. Is this why the IT at my workplace is so bad?

 

[Jenov]

Quite frankly it seems she’s gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has.

 

[Meicyn]

Oh boy I bet the South "didn't know" slaves had feelings too back in 1800's right?

Hitler didn't care about the Jews either. And the Nazis had a lot of guns!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Why does every aspect of differing cultures have to be respected? In the South, dog fighting is deeply ingrained in african american culture. Does that make it ok?

Why are you so hell-bent on refusing to simply understand that shooting the laptop is the same thing as dropping it out of a window to them? why the fuck would you analogize that with killing living beings?

What am I even supposed to do with that? he destroyed a fucking electronic device. That's all that happened here.

You're smarter and more discerning than this, GAF. I know it.

PS - dog fighting is not deeply ingrained in southern african american culture, goddamn it. it's engrained in some communities and pockets, like anything else is.

That's the problem.

You don't parent from a position of bitterness.

how did you even...

I'm done with you in this topic. You're not even trying to be intellectually honest anymore. Clearly.

Quite frankly it seems she&#8217;s gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has.

maybe you and I should too. some people simply refuse to withdraw their face from the fucking tree it's parked in front of so that they can see the forest we're looking at.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Wow, that sure is a mature method of parenting.

That guy sounds all sorts of dumb. The fact that he let himself get that outraged by the whining of a 15 year old is just... wow. Take that ya dumb laptop! Blap blap blap. Big man.

 

[AnathemicOne]

Hitler didn't care about the Jews either. And the Nazis had a lot of guns!

Yes guns are bad, thanks?

 

[freenudemacusers]

I was only doing that as a mirror of the type of poor speculation you and others were doing by characterizing this guy based on the video.

I don't recall attacking his manhood, just his poor decisions. Not sure how this justifies spamming pussy all over the place.


edit: oh hitler dropped by. /bailout for realz.

 

[ChuyMasta]

And are people purposefully over looking the update to this story? The OP should edit:

Update:
For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know:
My daughter came through it fine.

Yes, she's in trouble, and yes she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable. She's going to come to terms with the changes that will be present for a while; no TV privileges, no Internet, etc.

In the meantime, once the initial anger passed, she sat with me reviewing some of the comments that have come in via Facebook and YouTube. One person even suggested collecting the shell casings and auctioning them on eBay. I said I’d do it if it would help contribute to her college fund! When I told her about it, she thought a minute, got a funny calculating expression on her face and said, “in that case you should shoot my phone too. We can use more bullets and I’ll go half-sies with ya on it! It’s not like I’m going to need it any time soon. And I can use the money we get to buy a new one.”

While the whole point of this story isn’t funny, what is funny to me is how weak some people out there think kids are. Our kids are as strong as we help them to be. My daughter took a horrible day in her life, had her crying fit, then got over it, accepted her punishment, and hasn’t let it (or people’s comments) destroy her strength. I don’t get any credit for that. She’s strong and able to overcome almost anything life throws at her.

Since this unsuspectingly threw her into the limelight much more strongly than either of us intended, I asked her if she wanted to make her own response video, and told her I’d let her do it if she wanted to. She doesn’t like being in front of the camera, so she declined, but I’ve told her if she wants to write a response or post a video response, I’d be OK with it. It’s only fair considering the viral nature of the whole thing. So far she’s not really interested. Quite frankly it seems she’s gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has. If that changes I’ll post it here.

Respect.

 

[royalan]

That's the problem.

You don't parent from a position of bitterness.

That doesn't make sense.

So parents aren't allowed to emotionally react to the actions of their children?