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Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition GamesCom trailer [update: new screens]
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indigo-cyclops
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Yes, I apologize. It was sort of handed off to me, as the original creator was banned, and I was contacted as I set up the original console OT. So I haven't had that much time to work on it until tonight. So soon as I can tomorrow it will be put up.
I'm actually getting quite excited as well. God damn, can't wait for that new content.
cramoss
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I was gonna ask you what the hell you were smoking, since I couldn't see Dark Souls in the top 20 but I now realize Dark Souls got taken down in my country for some reason (GFWL most likely, since we don't have Arkham City or SFIV in Argentina either...).
It's a shame that the obviously great new content produced by FROM is tainted with so much combined stupidity
(seems to be working for Scamco if they're top 3 seller in Steam and sold out on GMG...)I think if you have a decent PC it's going to be the best experience of the game. I don't see how it could be any worse than the consoles.
We're both just speculating, though. We'll see on Thursday.
The PC version is always the best experience, but this could have been much better than what we're getting.
Where do you see this?
Clearly, but I'm not sure how that relates to your point that getting the best Dark Souls experience as a first-timer is somehow worse, as you implied.
? He said "what could've been". And in any case, since PC gamers have certain set-in-stone standards that DS may not fulfill, so the fact that it's the best version doesn't matter as much as it would if they would just meet those requirements, which are pretty low in the first place. It doesn't make the game worse than its console counterpart, but it makes it marginally less appealing as you have dozens of other games in your Steam backlog that do the bare minimum that DS for some weird reason of destiny doesn't. Even the Expendables game lets you change its internal framebuffer resolution.
So for most PC gamers that have standard expectations from a 2012 PC game, this might be almost worse than the console version, though saved because the console version is already pretty poor.
Now it's just a matter of seeing how tolerable it is to play the game upscaled. I remain hopeful, though not much.
(mind you I'm not talking about gameplay for a second here, if DS is half as good as Demon's it'll be already better than most my Steam games)
I can only speak for myself, but it soured me so much on From that I simply cancelled my pre-order. So in my case it didn't just mar my experience, I won't even have it.
I haven't seen anything pointing towards this port being any different from the console releases, aside from more content and possibly a steadier frame rate. How exactly is it going to ruin the experience for newcomers?
Being able to change the resolution of a game is pretty fundamental for pc gamers. So a dark souls newbie playing on the pc will have their experience marred because they will be pissed about the resolution situation. And rightfully so! Namco couldnt even get the basic exceptions for a pc port right.
the whole situation has me torn. I really want the game bit I don't want to support shitty pc ports.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I'm a PC gamer primarily (which is why I haven't played Dark Souls yet) and I'm looking forward to playing a game I've wanted to play for a while in the best way possible.
But I also see where you're coming from as well. I don't think I've ever played a modern PC game that I couldn't even change the resolution in. And I have PC hardware powerful enough that I can max any game with a minimum of 60fps, so being locked at 30 will be pretty jarring for me.
But in the end, I still want to play the game and it wouldn't be any better on consoles, so I'm going to play it on my PC.
This is the issue for me as well, and it's entirely Bamco's/From's fault for putting so many potential customers in this dilemma. Say what you will about how good/bad the port is or if it is better/worse than the console versions, if Dark Souls is successful on PC, it will set the bar extremely low, at least in regards to the more technical side of gaming.
Darksiders II has already caused a bit of controversy with its PC port, which is no surprise given the quality of the first Darksiders game on PC. I'm very interested to see what's going to happen when people finally get their hands on Dark Souls.
Yes, if you choose to sort your backlog by resolution,which is an odd way of looking at it.
My Thursday will be spent playing Dark Souls with the GAF OT open on my 2nd monitor. I can't wait to read the drama.
I'm curious.. if this locked frame buffer res issue wasn't previously mentioned.. how many would have been so hung ho anti this port.. I mean you choose your screen res and the ui is scaled/positioned appropriately but the render res stays the same.. many people may notice, but how many would have cared at that point to go and rant about no game ever has done this, oh the humanity why?
As for the locked 30 frames.. this is less forgivable and more people will notice, then again, a lot wouldn't..a few would have come out and gone, that's a bit shit, and looked for ways around it, or otherwise ask for a patch at that point..
A publisher has actually been upfront about details for once, for possibly the first time ever, and though the game will still be best of class in comparison to other systems, people go off ranting and raving screaming about how much they've been personally done in, as though namco came and killed their cat, cancelled Xmas , and then reinstated Xmas, given them a cat.. then killed it and took away Xmas again!
Those of us who actually wanted dark souls on PC, now have a dark souls on PC.. its the best version, has the dlc included in the base price, and allows people without consoles to experience what people have been saying is one of the best games in recent time. And that ain't a bad thing.
As for the locked 30 frames.. this is less forgivable and more people will notice, then again, a lot wouldn't..a few would have come out and gone, that's a bit shit, and looked for ways around it, or otherwise ask for a patch at that point..
A publisher has actually been upfront about details for once, for possibly the first time ever, and though the game will still be best of class in comparison to other systems, people go off ranting and raving screaming about how much they've been personally done in, as though namco came and killed their cat, cancelled Xmas , and then reinstated Xmas, given them a cat.. then killed it and took away Xmas again!
Those of us who actually wanted dark souls on PC, now have a dark souls on PC.. its the best version, has the dlc included in the base price, and allows people without consoles to experience what people have been saying is one of the best games in recent time. And that ain't a bad thing.
Yeah, you're right but most people (me too) have already this game for console. If you made a PC port i want it to be clearly better than console or is pointless to buy it again.
Of course for you this is not your situation because you dont have it for console so i understand your point of view.
Anyway, i'll buy it because Dark Souls is God-like game and deserve our love.
Glass Rebel
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- pre-historic standard of a PC-port with sub-HD framebuffer and locked (?) 30fps
- constant fear of losing savegames thanks to GFWL
- almost $10 more expensive in Europe than NA
Most of my posts in this thread have been defending the Dark Souls PC port (barely and with serious reservations), but I seriously have a really, really hard time understanding how you could possibly COMMEND them for it.
Buying this port mean I support lazy and shitty ports on PC,and doing this will encourage other publishers of throwing us more port that don't even hit or meet the standards of 2003 or taking advantage of our modern PC,and also mean that I am ok with a crappy client that didn't get updated for over a year now,it will be like a snow ball.
It costs $20 less than what the console version was worth 10 months ago at the time of release. Right now you can find it for pretty much $20 new and $10 used...
I'm also on the side of GfWL not being anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be. I've never once had an issue. On first launch you log in, and then every launch from then on it does everything itself. Steamworks only would be preferred for me, but GfWL definitely isn't a deal breaker.
And your first point doesn't really discount that it's the best version of a fantastic game, regardless of platform.
For the third one, that's just the way this stuff kind of works. You can't really get mad at From for that.
And if that 10 dollars really upsets you, here's a coupon code to get 20% off at greenmangaming to get you a deal you can stomach.
DERHE-RRDER-RINGE
Do you genuinely believe that buying this game would support ports that don't meet the standards of games released in 2003? Isn't it more rational that, under the conditions this game was ported under, you'd be supporting a developer taking a risk and developing for a platform that they originally had no intent on supporting?
Seriously, do you think that more people will notice and complain about 30 FPS than a sub-HD game stretched to whatever-res-are-they-using? 30 FPS is perfectly playable and not being able (hopefully only for a brief moment, till modders solve this) to unlock the framerate won't affect the enjoyment of most PC DS players. Giant pixels will.
(can't wait for my copy)
Both points have merit. You support both risk-taking and a sub-standard port.
Good for you,I'm glad it didn't hit you yet.
But GFWL is complete shit and many people suffered from it, I lost hundred of gameplay hours because it always decide to wipe my saves (last time is Batman AC), it's buggy sometimes don't want to work and sometimes crap on me or kick me out randomly,update looping..ect , it's the worst software I've ever used.
Glass Rebel
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Did you ask about why "we" wouldn't support this or why you wouldn't support a service that hasn't been updated in ages? There are numerous people who have had issues with GFWL, MamaRobotnik even has a 100% failure rate. GFWL deleted my saves for Dawn of War 2, Batman Arkham Asylum and Red Faction Guerilla. Just because you didn't have any issues doesn't make the problems GFWL has disappear.
Technically speaking it might be. With my new PC I'll max it no problem but I don't have a PC to play 40 for a console game.
It works for good ports. If they expect people to buy a shit port they should be humble enough to give people fair regional pricing.
I used that code on Dishonored, you know, the game where the devs are making an awesome PC version.
1) Good for you, i had several problems with GFWL, including losing my saves, not being able to update and play a game, not being able to log in, not wroking CD keys (not for the first 10 tries or so) etc.
2) It's not the best version, GFWL is shitty enough, then you put in the boot to main menu if under said framrate for 15 seconds and.. yeah, not really the best version, since the consoles will be getting the DLC to.
That's not even considering the amount of problems that we don't know about yet, compatibility, crashes etc: even the best ports have these, and they couldn't even push multiple resolutions, it's a bet i'm not willing to make, considering they will have to pay 40k$ to put out more than one patch (GFWL, lol).
3) I don't care who fault it is, i'm not giving these money to charity, if i think a product is too poorly produced to warrant my money, i don't care whose decision it was.
If you wanted to do charity there'd be more worthwhile associations to give your money to, but of course that's just my opinion.
I already have the game on Ps3, like most of the people in here, to warrant a double dip on launch they had to AT LEAST do a mediocre job, but they couldn't do even that, they don't deserve the full price, the way i see it.
Of course being a business proposition, to each his/her own, everyone are free to spend their cash in which ever way they please.
A "risk" is exactly what Namco have been avoiding with the most sloppy and quick portjob possible, there's little to reward there.
For me, locked resolution is simply a tipping point, not the one and only reason why I would refuse to purchase.
- The various GFWL issues, such as expensive, limited patching due to certification, save wipe risk, saves locked to machine/account, general issues with the interface, and the reliance on MS's long-term support of the platform.
- Locked to 30fps.
- Hacking. I feel MP is an integral part of the experience and a big reason why this series is so unique. DayZ has shown how badly hacking can hurt a game when it's a trivial matter to engage in it. There is the real potential that Dark Souls could end up in a similar state.
- DLC coming to console versions. Dark Souls on PS3 was a perfectly enjoyable, problem-free experience, even in spite of the few framerate issues. I expect that will remain true once the DLC is released.
- Perceived support of sub-par PC ports. People are constantly trying to empower consumers by proclaiming "Vote with your wallet!" What message would I be sending if I were to give my money to a company that cares so little about their products and consumers that, when asked, all they can be bothered to provide is the absolute bare-minimum?
At this point, the only reason I would purchased Dark Souls for PC is better performance and earlier access to DLC.
Oh I have issues with it from other points of view (pricing and regional locking primarily).. having worked with publishers and seen them pull all sorts of whacky crap I find the honesty refreshing.. I also understand that from probably don't even want to be doing this, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone else is actually doing the porting duties..
I'm just saying that they said what they were offering, buy the game or don't.. just stop screaming at people to not buy it because it doesn't meet some standard that at the end of the day you have no control over (not you personally).
Tell Namco why you aren't buying their game.. but stop rehashing the same frigan arguments over and over again. Some people will not buy the game because of a perceived issue they've read about and have thusly developed resentment for.. if you didn't know this going in.. would you care.. would you notice.. would you just shrug and enjoy a good game?
Sentenza
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Well, you're wrong.
Revenile
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You know what? Jim Sterling actually had some good words this week in the jimquisition. His basic message was "Don't boycott, it doesn't work. Instead, no matter if you buy or don't buy a game, bitch about it's problems."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win
I mean I'm sick of this "buying it means it sets a low bar" and "not buying means there's no market" stuff, you wanna change the industry to be more consumer friendly, then actually do something about it. Instead of (as I've said many times already) bitching on a web forum that I'm fairly sure no one from (in this case) namco or from looks at, contact namco, spam them out with your concerns, if enough bitching is done it will make a bad mark on Namco, and they'll have to do something, it worked in the ME3 ending case.
And before anyone tries to tell me to follow my words, I have been, I've already been contacting namco about the concerns of the port, and signed the petition for a post release patch to fix things.
EDIT: Here's a link to the petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/delay-and-improve-dark-souls-for-pc/
Things won't get better if the consumers don't do anything to attempt to change it. You can now go ahead and bash me for whatever I said you don't agree with, seems to happen here.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win
I mean I'm sick of this "buying it means it sets a low bar" and "not buying means there's no market" stuff, you wanna change the industry to be more consumer friendly, then actually do something about it. Instead of (as I've said many times already) bitching on a web forum that I'm fairly sure no one from (in this case) namco or from looks at, contact namco, spam them out with your concerns, if enough bitching is done it will make a bad mark on Namco, and they'll have to do something, it worked in the ME3 ending case.
And before anyone tries to tell me to follow my words, I have been, I've already been contacting namco about the concerns of the port, and signed the petition for a post release patch to fix things.
EDIT: Here's a link to the petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/delay-and-improve-dark-souls-for-pc/
Things won't get better if the consumers don't do anything to attempt to change it. You can now go ahead and bash me for whatever I said you don't agree with, seems to happen here.
If I bought the game without knowing about this I would at first think something was wrong with the game, and when I found out it was supposed to be that way I would be furious and demand a refund. So yea, I would notice.
Oh and there's no "perceived" issue, stop using disparaging words for something that is a huge deal to most PC gamers.
Please post a link to this! Also, let's stick it in the official thread's OP. If one petition got them to port it, perhaps it will take another for them to fix it.
EDIT: Great post, BTW. This is something everyone can get behind, and should, regardless of their feelings.
But is it really going to be that bad?
Many people play games at lower resolution in order to get it to play at a decent frame rate. Omg they're scaling the graphics.. end of the world.. options are nice.. but would you rather not have the game?
Voting with your wallet is useless.. you don't count.. not even as a lost sale.. what counts is a customer that says this sucks and I won't buy further.. and until these forum ranters actually contact namco.. none of it matters anyway.. its like complaining about politics and then donkey voting rather than contacting your local member.. achieves nothing.
Yep. Or let me rephrase that, I'd rather wait for a $5 Steam sale.
D3RANG3D
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Wasn't this petition already posted in this or the other thread because if it was I already signed it.
This exactly this.. and unfortunately the only people they will listen to are current customers.. no one does anything for people who won't buy their product anyway. Complain loud and vocally, but complain in the right forum. I'm not saying buy the game if you hate everything about it.. but the internet enabled rant about a game you probably never would,d have bought anyway is just arguing for argumets sake.. achieves nothing.
Revenile
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It possibly was, I only added it because it was asked to be put in, but still the more places it can be seen, the more people can find and sign it.
This.
Like was said in a post before, is 50/50 risk. You buy it and you're positive the next port will be better or the next one will be shitty like this because people buy it anyway