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Dave Perry(still)doesn't like the Wii.
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RiskyChris
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ILL2 said:
:lol :lol puuuuhhhlease! I've been bored with that series since the second one.
SuperAndroid17
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ILL2 said:
lol wut?
Suburban Cowboy
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Ya, you havent had it since 2001ILL2 said:
Catchpenny
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EnjoyIncubus said:
Bah, reading is for suckers.
I don't much care what games Dave Perry is looking forward to. What confuses me is why the Wii gets so much grief for its lineup when the PS3's lineup is even more barren, and the 360 got off to a slow start as well (Table Tennis as the big summer release last year). Some people think Nintendo is ignoring the hardcore gamer, yet they don't seem concerned that Sony is targeting that gamer and failing to deliver.
Catchpenny said:
He never said gamers are going to toss away their Wiimotes. Perry said he wasn't interested in upcoming Wii games. Read the Gamespot article. Clearly, the OP was trying to start a system war by quoting Kotaku to begin with. Not the most professional website around. If you want the actual facts, the real quotes, you have to go to website that cares about journalistic integrity.
Cerebral Palsy
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Perry is a smart man. When the gimmick of waving your arms around has worn off you're left with a smaller form factor Gamecube that plays the same Nintendo rehashes we all played last gen. Wii just can't create the atmosphere and experience like bleeding edge hardware, such as the PS3 can, with advance physics, graphics, and ai. When the novelty wears off with the hardcore and the non-gamers stop buying new titles (they will), Nintendo is going to be left in the dust in the console market.
TheGreatDave
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Cerebral Palsy said:
I'm trying to decide if you're just too witty to detect the sarcasm in your posts.
ElFly said:
I would't lump Mark Rein in with those three as long as Epic keeps putting out great games and engines that a lot of developers use. There is the whole lawsuit issue, but Epic has earned a better reputation than SK over the last ten years. If or when that suit goes down the drain, Epic and Valve are probably the big winners of the past few years among development teams. They're self-owned, people like their games, and they're making money off of other developers games.
underfooter
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Graphic whores will never like wii....
but they will still own one.
but they will still own one.
GhettoGamer
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Drinky Crow said:
Cerebral Palsy said:
People like this make me laugh, I remeber a time when video games wasnt a lively hood, and people played them just for fun and entertainment.
Xisiqomelir
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Weisheit said:
Gratz on your promotion. You did good work in the Oboro Muramasa Youtouden thread.
Rumourtaku is still trash, though
Open Source
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If opinions become more valid the more quality games you make, I'd say Perry's opinions are more valid than the opinions of most of the people who are calling him out.
And you have to remember that game developers measure platform success not by consoles sold but by potential moneymaking potential on those platforms. As a developer, I don't see the Wii as a platform where I can sell a bunch of copies of my game, because a large portion of the userbase is interested only in novelty games (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Warioware), which I don't want to make, or established brands (i.e., Nintendo 1st party stuff). If I design a thoughtful, intelligent, refined game, I want to put it on a platform where customers will appreciate it, not on the Wii.
And you have to remember that game developers measure platform success not by consoles sold but by potential moneymaking potential on those platforms. As a developer, I don't see the Wii as a platform where I can sell a bunch of copies of my game, because a large portion of the userbase is interested only in novelty games (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Warioware), which I don't want to make, or established brands (i.e., Nintendo 1st party stuff). If I design a thoughtful, intelligent, refined game, I want to put it on a platform where customers will appreciate it, not on the Wii.
Open Source said:
What bunk!
There's a reason why Wii sports and Wii play are more fun than all of of the crap most 3rd parties have pushed out the door, not saying all 3rd party games are crap some are fun. Everytime I see these comments I'd love hearing what the person making them would suggest a Wii consumer should buy from 3rd parties that really deserves to be bought.
underfooter said:
Not me. Maybe when the machine drops in price and I see a library I can enjoy allot more. Metroid is fine,but I need more than that,the rest of the games don't appeal to me so far. So don't be shocked if many more like myself pass up a Cube....for now. Waggle isn't as great as some make it out to be. A system's library is what matters bro.
Gamer @ Heart
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I read the title as "Dave Barry" a hilarious and sadly retired columist.
Colonel Mustard
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Can't the same be said of any console ever?Rat Salad said:
Going by this statement, I assume you're currently an Xbox 360-only owner, correct?
PataHikari
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That's because Sony needs to sell 5 million before it gets games, everyone is waiting for it to hit that mark before they begin judging it.Catchpenny said:
This whole thread is full of awesome.
1.)It's a thread about a developer that no one really gives two-shits about. A developer that is clearly out of touch with reality, and a developer that hasnt done jack-shit in so many years, he shouldnt even be mentioned on this board. His name should be banned, like some piece of crap blog for idiots.
2.)Wii haters/Wii supporters. You have your usual suspects in here stirring the hornets nest, and the usual suspects defending the shrine.
3.)Ethelred.
4.)Drinky.
5.)Juniors spouting off.
Now all we need are graphs of some kind, a few list's, and well, the circle is complete.
1.)It's a thread about a developer that no one really gives two-shits about. A developer that is clearly out of touch with reality, and a developer that hasnt done jack-shit in so many years, he shouldnt even be mentioned on this board. His name should be banned, like some piece of crap blog for idiots.
2.)Wii haters/Wii supporters. You have your usual suspects in here stirring the hornets nest, and the usual suspects defending the shrine.
3.)Ethelred.
4.)Drinky.
5.)Juniors spouting off.
Now all we need are graphs of some kind, a few list's, and well, the circle is complete.
GhettoGamer
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Rat Salad said:
So the PS3 is what to you?.....?.....
TunaLover said:
If I rember Nintendo (and Sega) really brought the industry to where it is now. Sure we had atari, and other but Nintendo really brought it mainstream, but now all of a sudden Nintendo is the red head step child in the industry they helped build.
Open Source said:
This is the type of thing that annoys me. The only game that could even fit that description is Bioshock. All the games on the 360/PS3 that people champion are, in essence, no different from the Hollywood blockbusters that the same elitists claim are ruining the film industry.
"Eat shit and die" is no more intelligent, thoughtful or refined than Wii Sports. In fact, I'd say the latter was more so.
Give me a break. This is all an excuse NOT to develope for the Wii.Open Source said:
If your game is good, and not a rushed port piece of garbage, it WILL sell.
Just a pathetic excuse, period. ANY developer who says things like this, is pathetic in my book. It would be the exact same as a developer stating that he couldnt make a game the whoole family could enjoy on the 360.
The money available on the Wii is massive, and growing. Period. Any type of game.
Open Source said:
I'd hate to say I don't believe you, but I don't believe you. Developers who say things like this get fired if it is ever found out that they said it. And, if you're allowed to say things like this, you're a big enough name that you'd let people know who you are and who you work for.
Open Source
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Show me a quality original 3rd party title (not sequel or license) that sold well on the Cube or Wii. OK then.
Now, another reason not to develop on the Wii is that you have to design it differently from the ground up, or the motion controls and such will just feel tacked on and the game will suck (sound familiar?). In other words, you can't make the same game for Xbox 360, PS3, PC, PS2 and Wii. So you can make a separate Wii game (with limited asset sharing) or you can make a game that works on 360, PS3, PC, and PS2 instead. You've probably got existing tech for most or all of those platforms, but not for Wii because we all know GC wasn't worth a 3rd party's time. That's what Perry is talking about when he says the Wii has been disruptive.
So you say, OK, look at all these people buying Wiis. They're potential customers for my game if I put it on Wii, right? Well, not so fast. How many of those customers are the grandmas and casual gamers and whatnot that we've been reading about so much in the news? What games will they buy other than Wii Play, if any? What about all the Nintendo fans? Will they stick with Mario, Zelda, and Smash Bros.? If your game isn't one of those, and it doesn't have some kind of motion-control scheme with novelty appeal, then Wii owners by and large will not be interested.
Of course I have many games that I am pushing/developing for Wii, but they aren't the traditional AAA type games. Instead, they are simpler games that offer novelty/stupid fun with the controller. They should provide a good return on investment because they are inexpensive to make and are in line with the non-franchise titles that have sold well on the system. Would I design a big-budget game for Wii? No way. The most I would do is make it for another system and tack on Wii features as inexpensively as possible.
Of course, the Wii customer base may prove me wrong down the road, but I see nothing so far to indicate that the Wii holds any more appeal to 3rd parties than the GC did, beyond adding the novelty/gimmick audience.
Now, another reason not to develop on the Wii is that you have to design it differently from the ground up, or the motion controls and such will just feel tacked on and the game will suck (sound familiar?). In other words, you can't make the same game for Xbox 360, PS3, PC, PS2 and Wii. So you can make a separate Wii game (with limited asset sharing) or you can make a game that works on 360, PS3, PC, and PS2 instead. You've probably got existing tech for most or all of those platforms, but not for Wii because we all know GC wasn't worth a 3rd party's time. That's what Perry is talking about when he says the Wii has been disruptive.
So you say, OK, look at all these people buying Wiis. They're potential customers for my game if I put it on Wii, right? Well, not so fast. How many of those customers are the grandmas and casual gamers and whatnot that we've been reading about so much in the news? What games will they buy other than Wii Play, if any? What about all the Nintendo fans? Will they stick with Mario, Zelda, and Smash Bros.? If your game isn't one of those, and it doesn't have some kind of motion-control scheme with novelty appeal, then Wii owners by and large will not be interested.
Of course I have many games that I am pushing/developing for Wii, but they aren't the traditional AAA type games. Instead, they are simpler games that offer novelty/stupid fun with the controller. They should provide a good return on investment because they are inexpensive to make and are in line with the non-franchise titles that have sold well on the system. Would I design a big-budget game for Wii? No way. The most I would do is make it for another system and tack on Wii features as inexpensively as possible.
Of course, the Wii customer base may prove me wrong down the road, but I see nothing so far to indicate that the Wii holds any more appeal to 3rd parties than the GC did, beyond adding the novelty/gimmick audience.
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